From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:29 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stig=2D=D8rjan?= Smelror Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: mrtg graphics in Mozilla Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 15:40:37 +0100 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 26 Message-ID: <38B93765.C260440E@winther.net> References: <38B9265E.53BFF281@winther.net> <38B92CC3.D9D3E115@SSpaeth.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: kunde0793.alfanett.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-15mdk i686) X-Accept-Language: no, en Sebastian Spaeth wrote: > > Stig-Ørjan Smelror schrieb: > > > > When I load my mrtg page the graphics look really bad compared to NS > > 4.72 on Linux Mandrake 7.0. > > I'm using the latest nightly build, but it's been like this for a while. > > I had a look at www.winther.net and the pages look exactly the same on > 4.72 and latest Mozilla build. Which page do you exactly mean? > > Greetings > Sebastian Here is a temp link. http://home.winther.net/stig/MRTG/ Thanks for a quick response. -- Vennlig hilsen/Best Regards Stig-Ørjan Smelror Winther Computer Network DA http://www.winther.net Stig.Orjan.Smelror@winther.net Teknisk Ansvarlig Winther.Net ; Webhosting uten grenser. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:29 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Kaj Nygren Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: mrtg graphics in Mozilla Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 15:58:53 +0100 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 10 Message-ID: <38B93BAC.DD6E0D03@connectthings.com> References: <38B9265E.53BFF281@winther.net> <38B92CC3.D9D3E115@SSpaeth.de> <38B93765.C260440E@winther.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: kaj.runius.internet42.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,sv > http://home.winther.net/stig/MRTG/ > > Thanks for a quick response. I have filed bug #29428, quoting your original report as well as the link above. /Kaj From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:29 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stig=2D=D8rjan?= Smelror Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: mrtg graphics in Mozilla Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 16:24:52 +0100 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 23 Message-ID: <38B941C4.22BCE82E@winther.net> References: <38B9265E.53BFF281@winther.net> <38B92CC3.D9D3E115@SSpaeth.de> <38B93765.C260440E@winther.net> <38B93BAC.DD6E0D03@connectthings.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kunde0793.alfanett.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-15mdk i686) X-Accept-Language: no, en Kaj Nygren wrote: > > > http://home.winther.net/stig/MRTG/ > > > > Thanks for a quick response. > > I have filed bug #29428, quoting your original report as well as the > link above. > > /Kaj Thanks. The "weird", if I could call that, thing is that output from Webalizer (www.mrunix.net/webalizer/) looks ok. It too uses png. -- Vennlig hilsen/Best Regards Stig-Ørjan Smelror Winther Computer Network DA http://www.winther.net Stig.Orjan.Smelror@winther.net Teknisk Ansvarlig Winther.Net ; Webhosting uten grenser. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:29 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Bob Crawford Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.mozilla.builds,netscape.public.dev.css,netscape.public.dev.html,netscape.dev,netscape.public.dev.css,netscape.public.mozilla.layout,netscape.public.mozilla.ui Subject: Re: Fixed background not working Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 12:00:58 -0600 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 22 Message-ID: <38B9665A.5694661E@io.com> References: <387C3A38.A3B3C3DC@netscape.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cs9351-169.austin.rr.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.general:16809 netscape.public.mozilla.builds:12885 netscape.public.dev.css:1433 netscape.public.dev.html:2843 netscape.dev:382 netscape.public.mozilla.layout:6770 netscape.public.mozilla.ui:5987 Patricio Feder wrote: > Mozilla's test page for this particular css tag doesn't work either. > http://www.mozilla.org/newlayout/testcases/css/sec535fix.htm > > I spent over 7 hours trying to fix this with (obviously) no success and I > couldn't find it reported as a bug either (a new one maybe?). > Does anybody know a workaround for this? Mozilla has more standards support than NS4.x.. 4.7 is a gettinging a bit obsolete.. The example works fine in Mozilla and IE5.. > > > Thanks > > Pat From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:29 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Jerome Kwok Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: I lost my wallet password Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 02:09:58 +0800 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 1 Message-ID: <38B96876.D930DF1F@hkid.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp8-228.att.net.hk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-TW I lost my Mozilla wallet password, what should I do? From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:29 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stig=2D=D8rjan?= Smelror Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Ultra cool Scrollbar !! Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 02:12:30 +0100 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 11 Message-ID: <38B9CB7E.83ED06DB@winther.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: kunde0793.alfanett.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-15mdk i686) X-Accept-Language: no, en Whatever happened to the ultra cool scrollbar ?? All I see now is a GTK scrollbar and it's...well...kind of...boring ;) Well... anyway.. thanks for the good work ! -- Vennlig hilsen/Best Regards Stig-Ørjan Smelror Winther Computer Network DA http://www.winther.net Stig.Orjan.Smelror@winther.net Teknisk Ansvarlig Winther.Net ; Webhosting uten grenser. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:29 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Kerry Ginn Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Javascript not functioning in Mozilla, any build of m13 Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 00:33:05 -0600 Organization: <> Lines: 36 Message-ID: <38BA1694.57E8CFB5@computer.org> References: <38B70C47.E980F748@wcla.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.96.175.83 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en-US Chad Berreau wrote: > > http://www.bentley.com/select/indexlow.htm > Go to this page. > Select the Select Stream Link, under Software. > > For time purposes > Select the from the Application Group - beta > and > from the lower radio button, show last month > > The issue is that the site incorporates buttons to the side with JavaScript which > show and hide additional information about the file it is associated with. > "Details" I couldn't get this far with either Navigator or mozilla M13. Apparently the site's database in offline. I will still make a guess -- For better or worse, if the site is using dynamic HTML, mozilla 5.0 will not recognize either document.all (used by MSIE 4) or document.layers (used by NN 4). For help with that issue, see the following URL: http://developer.iplanet.com/viewsource/goodman_cross/goodman_cross.htm > > In Netscape it will effect the command. > In Mozilla it doesn't acknowledge the code. > > also, > Netscape cannot print this page very well. > Mozilla can, minus the details bit. > I understand IE does very well. > > If you are experiencing the same results. Please submit the appropriate bug report. > > Thanks From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:29 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Dario Copia Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Mozilla Events docs Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 05:05:37 -0500 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 6 Message-ID: <38BA4870.68F68BFF@artide.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1Cust45.tnt1.cambridge.ma.da.uu.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en Hello, please point me to some docs about Events capturer on Mozilla Seamonkey. TIA From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:29 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!gateway From: daviska@nationwide.com Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.ui,netscape.public.mozilla.performance,netscape.public.mozilla.builds,netscape.public.mozilla.wishlist,netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Build 13 - firewall? Date: 28 Feb 2000 13:49:04 GMT Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 9 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: h-207-200-73-41.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: mozilla-ui@mozilla.org, mozilla-performance@mozilla.org, mozilla-builds@mozilla.org, mozilla-wishlist@mozilla.org, mozilla-general@mozilla.org Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.ui:6000 netscape.public.mozilla.performance:1358 netscape.public.mozilla.builds:12893 netscape.public.mozilla.wishlist:9238 netscape.public.mozilla.general:16815 You'd think that after 13 builds someone would have enabled the proxy server component. It's becoming very difficult to recommend something that can not be tested. The fact that this has not been included yet is quite simply, poor planning. That is of course, unless you plan to leave all enterprise business out of the loop. Way to win the battle! 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--------------A3489ADA3D6E8A538B7C8F3D-- From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:29 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!gateway From: mpt26@student.canterbury.ac.nz (Matthew Thomas) Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.builds,netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.mozilla.performance,netscape.public.mozilla.ui,netscape.public.mozilla.wishlist Subject: Re: Build 13 - firewall? Followup-To: netscape.public.mozilla.netlib Date: 28 Feb 2000 14:16:08 GMT Organization: University of Canterbury (opinions expressed are my own) Lines: 28 Message-ID: <38BA8325.44F1B49C@student.canterbury.ac.nz> References: Reply-To: mpt26@student.canterbury.ac.nz, mozilla-netlib@mozilla.org NNTP-Posting-Host: h-207-200-73-41.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: daviska@nationwide.com CC: mozilla-ui@mozilla.org, mozilla-performance@mozilla.org, mozilla-builds@mozilla.org, mozilla-wishlist@mozilla.org, mozilla-general@mozilla.org Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.builds:12894 netscape.public.mozilla.general:16817 netscape.public.mozilla.performance:1359 netscape.public.mozilla.ui:6001 netscape.public.mozilla.wishlist:9239 daviska@nationwide.com wrote: > > You'd think that after 13 builds someone would have enabled the proxy > server component. It's becoming very difficult to recommend something > that can not be tested. The fact that this has not been included yet > is quite simply, poor planning. That is of course, unless you plan > to leave all enterprise business out of the loop. Way to win the > battle! >... Proxy servers have been working since the M13 milestone , over a month ago now. the UI for specifying them has been working in nightly builds since shortly after that. Those proxies which require authentication have been having a bit of trouble in the past few days, because the feature which remembers the authentication over a session has regressed . But this should be fixed in the next couple of days. Open mouth, insert foot, sir. Follow-ups set to n.p.m.netlib. -- Matthew `mpt' Thomas, usability weenie http://critique.net.nz/ From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:29 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!gateway From: daviska@nationwide.com Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.netlib,netscape.public.mozilla.ui,netscape.public.mozilla.performance,netscape.public.mozilla.builds,netscape.public.mozilla.wishlist,netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: (none) Date: 28 Feb 2000 15:32:05 GMT Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 70 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: h-207-200-73-41.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: mpt26@student.canterbury.ac.nz, mozilla-netlib@mozilla.org, mozilla-ui@mozilla.org, mozilla-performance@mozilla.org, mozilla-builds@mozilla.org, mozilla-wishlist@mozilla.org, mozilla-general@mozilla.org Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.netlib:3542 netscape.public.mozilla.ui:6002 netscape.public.mozilla.performance:1361 netscape.public.mozilla.builds:12895 netscape.public.mozilla.wishlist:9240 netscape.public.mozilla.general:16818 I've already done this. I've tried both manual and automatic proxy configuration. Being someone who tests a lot of html, xml work, I have no problems with the proxy configuration in Netscape 3.04, 4.04, 4.05, 4.08, 4.5, 4.6, and 4.7. I also have no difficulty with proxy configuration in IE4 and 5, or Opera. My proxy configuration even works perfectly in my old Lynx browser (I don't know if you been using the net long enough to be familiar with Lynx.) It is ONLY Mozilla 13 that is not recognizing either manual or automatic proxy settings. I appreciate your information, but your suggestions have been implemented to no avail. Proxy configurations should have been implemented in earlier builds to give sufficient time for testing. IE6 is going to make it to market before Mozilla because of issues like this. I really hate seeing Netscape continuing to lose market share. K. Matthew Thomas on 02/28/2000 10:16:08 PM From: Matthew Thomas on 02/28/2000 10:16 PM Please respond to mpt26@student.canterbury.ac.nz; Please respond to mozilla-netlib@mozilla.org To: daviska@nationwide.com cc: mozilla-ui@mozilla.org mozilla-performance@mozilla.org mozilla-builds@mozilla.org mozilla-wishlist@mozilla.org mozilla-general@mozilla.org Subject: Re: Build 13 - firewall? daviska@nationwide.com wrote: > > You'd think that after 13 builds someone would have enabled the proxy > server component. It's becoming very difficult to recommend something > that can not be tested. The fact that this has not been included yet > is quite simply, poor planning. That is of course, unless you plan > to leave all enterprise business out of the loop. Way to win the > battle! >... Proxy servers have been working since the M13 milestone , over a month ago now. the UI for specifying them has been working in nightly builds since shortly after that. Those proxies which require authentication have been having a bit of trouble in the past few days, because the feature which remembers the authentication over a session has regressed . But this should be fixed in the next couple of days. Open mouth, insert foot, sir. Follow-ups set to n.p.m.netlib. -- Matthew `mpt' Thomas, usability weenie http://critique.net.nz/ From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:29 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Eric Krock Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.wishlist,netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.mozilla.plugins,netscape.public.dev.plugin-upgrade Subject: Re: creating an open source Mozilla plug-in SDK Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 11:33:36 -0800 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 79 Message-ID: <38BACD90.1705CA88@netscape.com> References: <894a3o$9l3$1@engnews3.Eng.Sun.COM> <38B63774.62CD0CA6@fateware.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-208-12-36-186.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-NSCP (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.wishlist:9242 netscape.public.mozilla.general:16819 netscape.public.mozilla.plugins:204 netscape.public.dev.plugin-upgrade:93 I'd like to enthusiastically second Ramiro's proposal to allocate an intern to Mozilla Plug-in API-related work. After Andrei finishes his PDT+ bugs, he'll be creating a sample compilable Mozilla plug-in on Win32. On Mac, we already have the source for the MRJ plug-in as a compilable example (should be compilable once again after some fixes Patrick and Loki made in the last week). Here are the concepts that an open source sample plug-in/plug-in SDK could help developers master: 1) basic, compilable, sample plug-in (usable as development template) on each platform [have Mac; will have Win32 shortly; would like Linux, Solaris, etc.] 2) calling a plug-in from JavaScript on Mozilla via XPConnect 3) providing a backward adapter file and Java .class file to enable the single binary to work on older browsers such as Navigator 4 as well, including full LiveConnect support (this enables plug-in developers to distribute a single binary for all browsers, simplifying distribution) On Linux, a sample compilable plug-in (with GTK library inclusions where needed) would be particularly handy as the existing Navigator 4 plug-ins for Linux that have Motif UIs need to be upgraded to the GTK UI, and proliferating GTK-ready Mozilla plug-ins for Linux will help the vendors who are creating browsing appliances based on Linux and Mozilla. Once this new resource becomes available, the intern could also update the Mozilla Plug-in API doc at http://www.mozilla.org/docs/plugin.html to point developers at the samples where relevant. Using the two sample plug-ins as a starting point, an intern (or anyone else with a C background and the interest) could in a very short period of time (e.g. a summer) provide a great service to plug-in developers and all the developers of Mozilla-based browsers and devices. Feel free to contact me directly if needed for more information. Thanks for your interest in possibly pitching in on the project in this way! Ramiro Estrugo wrote: > Rich Burridge wrote: > > > > Our group at Sun is looking to hire some summer interns this year, and > > hopefully we can put a couple to work on Mozilla related projects. > .... > > Note also that the projects would probably have to be external to the > > Mozilla source tree, or if useful, slated for a future release, as it'll > > probably be show-stopper bug fixes only in the summer time. This still > > could be things like plug-ins, new components ... though. > .... > > Rich Burridge Email: rich.burridge@Sun.COM > > Here are some ideas. > .... > + Plugins. Part of this job might be a plugin cookbook. Documenting > the process and help fix bugs in the plugin api. Some people think that > the plugin situation in unix sucks. I think its a great opportunity. > Its all about innovation. There is very little backward compatibility > (if any) to worry about. So its all new code. Should be fun. > > Some plugins that might be interesting: other graphics formats (tiff, > xpm, etc.), sound plugins. Maybe mp3. Also, you guys at Sun have a > lot of experience dealing with the issue of out of process plugins for > mozilla. Now that there are real component model brewing for unix, it > would be nice to have a recipe for this too. > .... > -re -- What have *YOU* done for web standards today? http://www.mozilla.org/newlayout/bugathon.html Are your JavaScript and CGIs ready for Nav5, IE5, and HTTP 1.1 CONTENT_TYPE? Get the latest info at http://developer.netscape.com/viewsource/krock_v5.html Hints on upgrading web pages to support W3C standards: http://sites.netscape.net/ekrock/standards.html Have a question? Before you email me, first please check http://sites.netscape.com/ekrock/answers.html From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:30 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!wesley.videotron.net!pr0n.openface.ca!not-for-mail From: Judd Shanker Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Question about using Mozilla as a COM control Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 14:44:43 -0500 Organization: Openface Internet Inc. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <38BAD02B.FBF22BB8@intac.com> Reply-To: jshanker@intac.com NNTP-Posting-Host: tapejob.metaclic.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: pr0n.openface.ca 951767050 25572 216.46.16.2 (28 Feb 2000 19:44:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@openface.ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Feb 2000 19:44:10 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en Hi everybody, This a question regarding Mozilla’s COM control. Please excuse me if this is not the proper place for this question, I am new to Mozilla. What I am trying to do for my project is to have Mozilla as a COM control embedded into a Windows application and when needed to get the corresponding rendered HTML page as a bitmap – not just what is visible on the screen, but the whole page as it exists (probably) in memory. Can someone help me with an idea how to do this (or where to look)? So far I didn’t find any functionality to accomplish this. Thank you an advance, Simeon From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:30 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!skynet.be!diablo.theplanet.net!baron.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!not-for-mail From: TheFish Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: HYPERLINKING Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 20:07:51 +0000 Organization: (Posted via) Netcom Internet Ltd. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <38BAD597.BC1EB17D@netcomuk.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-18-04.netcomuk.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: taliesin2.netcom.net.uk 951768109 24625 194.42.232.132 (28 Feb 2000 20:01:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@corp.netcom.net.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Feb 2000 20:01:49 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-* Help Can anyone please tell me how I add an hyperlink to a website e.mail address in my text eg: Poissant@netcomuk.co.uk Many thanks From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:30 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!news.columbia.edu!news-not-for-mail From: peller@columbia.edu (Adam Peller) Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: How to get stdout/console on win32? Date: 28 Feb 2000 16:43:52 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-ID: <89eq6o$ltk$1@konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu With the M14 build, I noticed that Mozilla on win32 now forks to another process and no longer keeps the DOS box alive with stdout streaming to the console. I've got a lot of debugging info which I'd like to have available to beta users... Short of distributing debug builds or using special logging APIs (which require debug builds?) is there a way for users of the released Mozilla builds to get at the stdout? Some sort of runtime switch or environment variable perhaps? Thanks Adam Peller Advisory Software Engineer, IBM apeller@us.ibm.com From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:30 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Sebastian Spaeth Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: How to get stdout/console on win32? Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 23:10:57 +0100 Organization: University of =?iso-8859-1?Q?Link=F6ping?= Lines: 7 Message-ID: <38BAF271.6C7A6214@SSpaeth.de> References: <89eq6o$ltk$1@konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: f29.ryd.student.liu.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [de] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: sv,de,en > With the M14 build, I noticed that Mozilla on win32 now forks to > another process and no longer keeps the DOS box alive with stdout > streaming to the console. Quick fix is to run "mozilla > debug.txt" and have a look at debug.txt afterwards. There has been a thread about this somewhere with more proposals but I forgot where. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:30 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Message-ID: <38BAF43D.293B6E4C@solana.com> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 17:18:37 -0500 From: William Lewis Brown X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Mozilla and CVSup or similar? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: brahma.solana.com X-Trace: 28 Feb 2000 17:15:42 -0500, brahma.solana.com Lines: 13 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!News.Destek.net!brahma.solana.com Hi, Is the actual Mozilla CVS repository, not just the tip files, available directly? In other words, can I get access to the ,v files somehow? Is their a CVSup server available? Thanks for your help! Bill Brown -- William L. Brown Work: 603-465-2114 Fax: 603-465-2114 Cell: 617-803-9156 Email: bbrown@solana.com Home: 603-465-2948 From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:30 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!news.columbia.edu!news-not-for-mail From: peller@columbia.edu (Adam Peller) Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: How to get stdout/console on win32? Date: 28 Feb 2000 17:21:13 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 6 Message-ID: <89escp$72l$1@konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu> References: <89eq6o$ltk$1@konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu> <89eqil$jjc2@secnews.netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu Sorry... I meant the nightly builds of M14. In article <89eqil$jjc2@secnews.netscape.com>, Stephen Donner wrote: >How are you getting the M14 builds already? Or do you just mean the nightly >builds? From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:30 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!news.columbia.edu!news-not-for-mail From: peller@columbia.edu (Adam Peller) Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: How to get stdout/console on win32? Date: 28 Feb 2000 17:24:40 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-ID: <89esj8$8cn$1@konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu> References: <89eq6o$ltk$1@konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu> <38BAF271.6C7A6214@SSpaeth.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu I don't think this works anymore, as there's no longer any output to redirect. Instead, you see a new fire-breathing dragon window pop up, and you then get your prompt back in DOS. In article <38BAF271.6C7A6214@SSpaeth.de>, Sebastian Spaeth wrote: >> With the M14 build, I noticed that Mozilla on win32 now forks to >> another process and no longer keeps the DOS box alive with stdout >> streaming to the console. > >Quick fix is to run "mozilla > debug.txt" and have a look at debug.txt >afterwards. There has been a thread about this somewhere with more >proposals but I forgot where. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:30 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: "Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T." Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Javascript not functioning in Mozilla, any build of m13 Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 17:50:34 -0500 Organization: VPEA Lines: 64 Message-ID: <38BAFBAD.F560CFB9@kimbanet.com> References: <38B70C47.E980F748@wcla.com> <38BA1694.57E8CFB5@computer.org> Reply-To: pjones@kimbanet.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.34.233.221 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en Kerry Ginn wrote: > > Chad Berreau wrote: > > > > http://www.bentley.com/select/indexlow.htm > > Go to this page. > > Select the Select Stream Link, under Software. > > > > For time purposes > > Select the from the Application Group - beta > > and > > from the lower radio button, show last month > > > > The issue is that the site incorporates buttons to the side with JavaScript which > > show and hide additional information about the file it is associated with. > > "Details" > > I couldn't get this far with either Navigator or mozilla M13. Apparently > the site's database in offline. I will still make a guess -- For better > or worse, if the site is using dynamic HTML, mozilla 5.0 will not > recognize either document.all (used by MSIE 4) or document.layers (used > by NN 4). For help with that issue, see the following URL: > > http://developer.iplanet.com/viewsource/goodman_cross/goodman_cross.htm MOzilla *doesn't* do DHTML ?!!!!! What do you mean it doesn't. It had better before it get's on the Market! I belong to an Electronics Service Industry Association (NESDA). I can tell you many of the Electronics Groups Tech Support Sites are going to DHTML as quick as they can. Mozilla /Netscape are supposed to be putting out an IE killer. Something Once it comes out will cause everyone including MicroSoft to Switch to Netscape. Get Crakin! > > > > In Netscape it will effect the command. > > In Mozilla it doesn't acknowledge the code. > > > > also, > > Netscape cannot print this page very well. > > Mozilla can, minus the details bit. > > I understand IE does very well. > > > > If you are experiencing the same results. Please submit the appropriate bug report. > > > > Thanks -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Phillip M. Jones, CET |MEMBER:VPEA (LIFE) ETA-I, NESDA,ISCET, Sterling 616 Liberty Street |Who's Who. PHONE:540-632-5045, FAX:540-632-0868 Martinsville Va 24112-1809|pjones@kimbanet.com, ICQ11269732, AIM pjonescet -------------------------------------------------------------------------- If it's "fixed", don't "break it"! From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:30 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!gateway From: chofmann@netscape.com (Chris Hofmann) Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: How to get stdout/console on win32? Date: 28 Feb 2000 23:06:24 GMT Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 24 Message-ID: <38BAFF70.EDA8F390@netscape.com> References: <89eq6o$ltk$1@konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-207-200-73-41.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Adam Peller CC: mozilla-general@mozilla.org mozilla > log.txt works for me on win95. chris h. Adam Peller wrote: > With the M14 build, I noticed that Mozilla on win32 now forks to > another process and no longer keeps the DOS box alive with stdout > streaming to the console. I've got a lot of debugging info which I'd > like to have available to beta users... Short of distributing debug > builds or using special logging APIs (which require debug builds?) is > there a way for users of the released Mozilla builds to get at the > stdout? Some sort of runtime switch or environment variable perhaps? > > Thanks > > Adam Peller > Advisory Software Engineer, IBM > apeller@us.ibm.com From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:30 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Robert O'Callahan Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: How to get stdout/console on win32? Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 18:17:14 -0500 Organization: Carnegie Mellon University Lines: 17 Message-ID: <38BB01FA.1C2DD717@cs.cmu.edu> References: <89eq6o$ltk$1@konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu> <38BAF271.6C7A6214@SSpaeth.de> <89esj8$8cn$1@konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: roc+@cs.cmu.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: MAJESTY.FAC.CS.CMU.EDU Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en Adam Peller wrote: > I don't think this works anymore, as there's no longer any output to > redirect. Instead, you see a new fire-breathing dragon window pop up, > and you then get your prompt back in DOS. No, it does still work. If you have "cat" on your system, you can also run "mozilla | cat" and the output will show up in your window. Rob -- [Robert O'Callahan http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~roc 6th year CMU CS PhD student "I have seen the burden God has laid on men. He has made everything beautiful in its time. He has also set eternity in the hearts of men; yet they cannot fathom what God has done from beginning to end." --- Ecclesiastes 3:10-11] From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:30 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!gateway From: jst@citec.fi (Johnny Stenback) Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: How to get stdout/console on win32? Date: 28 Feb 2000 23:45:35 GMT Organization: CiTEC Lines: 32 Sender: jst@towanda.citec.fi Message-ID: <38BB089F.50843834@citec.fi> References: <89eq6o$ltk$1@konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu> <38BAFF70.EDA8F390@netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-207-200-73-41.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Chris Hofmann CC: Adam Peller , mozilla-general@mozilla.org Chris Hofmann wrote: > > mozilla > log.txt > > works for me on win95. > Yes, this works but it seems like this only redirects stdout to log.txt, not stderr. Have a look at bug #29395 and prove me wrong if this is not true. > chris h. > > Adam Peller wrote: > > > With the M14 build, I noticed that Mozilla on win32 now forks to > > another process and no longer keeps the DOS box alive with stdout > > streaming to the console. I've got a lot of debugging info which I'd > > like to have available to beta users... Short of distributing debug > > builds or using special logging APIs (which require debug builds?) is > > there a way for users of the released Mozilla builds to get at the > > stdout? Some sort of runtime switch or environment variable perhaps? > > > > Thanks > > > > Adam Peller > > Advisory Software Engineer, IBM > > apeller@us.ibm.com -- jst From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:30 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Doug Sheppard Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Javascript not functioning in Mozilla, any build of m13 Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 19:04:53 -0600 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 16 Message-ID: <38BB1B35.F6A83750@waitingforbob.com> References: <38B70C47.E980F748@wcla.com> <38BA1694.57E8CFB5@computer.org> <38BAFBAD.F560CFB9@kimbanet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: nodes5.dlcwest.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.9 i686) X-Accept-Language: en "Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T." wrote: > > I couldn't get this far with either Navigator or mozilla M13. Apparently > > the site's database in offline. I will still make a guess -- For better > > or worse, if the site is using dynamic HTML, mozilla 5.0 will not > > recognize either document.all (used by MSIE 4) or document.layers (used > > by NN 4). For help with that issue, see the following URL: > > MOzilla *doesn't* do DHTML ?!!!!! No, Mozilla doesn't recognize document.layers or document.all. In the lizard world, you use the DOM standards and CSS to do dynamic stuff. -- Waiting for Bob - http://www.waitingforbob.com/ - No Godot, just comics. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:30 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Steve Morrison Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Javascript not functioning in Mozilla, any build of m13 Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 20:33:23 -0500 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 21 Message-ID: <38BB21E3.7BF6A5FC@gte.com> References: <38B70C47.E980F748@wcla.com> <38BA1694.57E8CFB5@computer.org> <38BAFBAD.F560CFB9@kimbanet.com> <38BB1B35.F6A83750@waitingforbob.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bsg-ma1a-50.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i586) X-Accept-Language: en Doug Sheppard wrote: > > "Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T." wrote: > > > I couldn't get this far with either Navigator or mozilla M13. Apparently > > > the site's database in offline. I will still make a guess -- For better > > > or worse, if the site is using dynamic HTML, mozilla 5.0 will not > > > recognize either document.all (used by MSIE 4) or document.layers (used > > > by NN 4). For help with that issue, see the following URL: > > > > MOzilla *doesn't* do DHTML ?!!!!! > > No, Mozilla doesn't recognize document.layers or document.all. > > In the lizard world, you use the DOM standards and CSS to do dynamic > stuff. People are working on a document.all emulation layer - check the DOM newsgroup for more info. -Steve http://www.mozillaZine.org/chrome/ From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:30 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Daniel Veditz Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: How to get stdout/console on win32? Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 17:37:09 -0800 Organization: Speaking only for myself Lines: 22 Message-ID: <38BB22C5.F9BEF6C6@netscape.com> References: <89eq6o$ltk$1@konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu> <38BAFF70.EDA8F390@netscape.com> <38BB089F.50843834@citec.fi> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-205-217-240-39.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Johnny Stenback wrote: > > Chris Hofmann wrote: > > > > mozilla > log.txt > > > > works for me on win95. > > > > Yes, this works but it seems like this only redirects stdout to log.txt, > not stderr. Have a look at bug #29395 and prove me wrong if this is not > true. Have you tried an alternate shell as suggested in the bug? 4DOS/4NT will redirect stderr with >& instead of the usual >, and various unix-shell emulators (bash comes free in cygwin, for example) will do this also. The standard MS command shells won't, however. -Dan Veditz From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:30 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.infoave.net!news.infoave.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!finch!not-for-mail From: marty@cssun.mathcs.emory.edu (Marty Reynolds {guest}) Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: html's 'mailto' won't Date: 29 Feb 2000 02:08:48 GMT Organization: Emory University, Dept of Math and CS Lines: 20 Message-ID: <89f9ng$3rh$1@finch.mathcs.emory.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: cssun.mathcs.emory.edu X-Trace: finch.mathcs.emory.edu 951790128 3953 170.140.150.1 (29 Feb 2000 02:08:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@finch.mathcs.emory.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Feb 2000 02:08:48 GMT X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] won't what? Won't launch a outside panel to send email. It's just refused when I click Running Solaris 2.6 & Navigator 4.51 Same trouble @ work on Sol. 2.7 & Navi 4.72. I bet I've forgotten something. Thanks for the attn. Marty... who think's the Netscape Tech Supt search data base is Crazy. I get 'file not found' to everything returned. Is this a test? -- Marty Reynolds... a guest at: Emory University, Atlanta, GA Internet: marty@aa4rm.ba-watch.org From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:30 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Sean Malloy Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Approved: Approved by Bureau of Natural Disasters, Planning Division: Public Release Subject: Re: html's 'mailto' won't Organization: Bureau of Natural Disasters, Planning Division Reply-To: srmalloy@home.com Message-ID: References: <89f9ng$3rh$1@finch.mathcs.emory.edu> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.525 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 28 Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 05:19:28 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.0.163.210 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com 951801568 24.0.163.210 (Mon, 28 Feb 2000 21:19:28 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 21:19:28 PST marty@cssun.mathcs.emory.edu (Marty Reynolds {guest}) wrote: >won't what? > >Won't launch a outside panel to send email. It's just refused when I click > >Running Solaris 2.6 & Navigator 4.51 > >Same trouble @ work on Sol. 2.7 & Navi 4.72. > >I bet I've forgotten something. Could be; I remember having problems when I wrote a mailto: link as 'mailto://user@host' instead of 'mailto:user@host' as it should have been. The habitual insertion of '//' after the protocol was the problem. -- Sean R. Malloy | American Non Sequitur Naval Medical Center | Society San Diego, CA 92134-5000 | srmalloy@home.net | "We may not make sense, srmalloy@nmcsd.med.navy.mil | but we do like pizza" FORMAL NOTICE: unsolicited commercial email will be read at a charge of $500 per item. Receipt of such email shall be considered to constitute acceptance of contract, and will be billed immediately. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:30 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Jerry Baker Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: How to use Gnu Tools Patch? Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 22:10:16 -0800 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 9 Message-ID: <38BB62C8.DDD34ADF@weirdness.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lsanca1-ar3-145-172.dsl.gtei.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en What is the correct sequence of command line options to obtain a useful output from patch? I have modified nsHTTPhandler.cpp and would like to attach the modification to a bug in a meaningful way. Thanks. -- Jerry Baker PGP Mail Preferred Key: http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x09DE91C6 From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:30 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Andreas Otte Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: How to use Gnu Tools Patch? Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 09:08:08 +0100 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 51 Message-ID: <38BB7E68.D01D300C@team-pb.de> References: <38BB62C8.DDD34ADF@weirdness.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.185.52.66 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------E78B9BA8F90E6C86FA9D4375" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: Jerry Baker --------------E78B9BA8F90E6C86FA9D4375 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Jerry! If you use cvs to get the sources you could use "cvs diff -c file > file.diff" to get a usefull diff patch could use. Otherwise diff -c file1 file2 > file.diff should produce something useable. Andreas Jerry Baker wrote: > What is the correct sequence of command line options to obtain a useful > output from patch? I have modified nsHTTPhandler.cpp and would like to > attach the modification to a bug in a meaningful way. Thanks. > > -- > Jerry Baker > > PGP Mail Preferred > Key: http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x09DE91C6 --------------E78B9BA8F90E6C86FA9D4375 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Jerry!

If you use cvs to get the sources you could use "cvs diff -c file > file.diff" to get a usefull diff patch could use.

Otherwise diff -c file1 file2 > file.diff should produce something useable.

Andreas

Jerry Baker wrote:

What is the correct sequence of command line options to obtain a useful
output from patch? I have modified nsHTTPhandler.cpp and would like to
attach the modification to a bug in a meaningful way. Thanks.

--
Jerry Baker

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--------------E78B9BA8F90E6C86FA9D4375-- From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:30 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: "Braden N. McDaniel" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.mail-news,netscape.public.mozilla.netlib,netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.mozilla.xpfe Subject: Re: please document URI schemes Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 05:13:09 -0500 Organization: Endoframe Lines: 45 Message-ID: <38BB9BB5.8D04AD6F@endoframe.com> References: <38462565.4F2D7FD0@w3.org> <3846ED0B.D2CB0DD8@mozilla.org> <38478391.74CF8D3D@cannibal.mi.org> <384788CB.8FB3EE2C@primus-online.de> <38B81A57.2810A2A2@bucksch.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: wa0250.tnt1.awod.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12-20 i686) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.mail-news:7149 netscape.public.mozilla.netlib:3547 netscape.public.mozilla.general:16840 netscape.public.mozilla.xpfe:5761 Ben Bucksch wrote: > > Andreas Otte wrote: > > Dawn Endico wrote: > > > > Dan Connolly wrote: > > > > > I learned tonight that Mozilla has some unregistered > > > > > URI schemes. Please send whatever info you can about > > > > > them to uri@w3.org > > > > > > > > > > "This is (an attempt at) an exhaustive list of URI schemes. I try to > > > > > list > > > > > them all, whether they're standard or not. 75 schemes are listed as of > > > > > Mar 1999. If you know of any that aren't here, please tell me via the > > > > > relevant forums." > > > > > -- http://www.w3.org/Addressing/schemes > > > I also believe we use chrome:// although I > > > don't see anything about it in netlib. Is there anything else I missed? > > IIRC, it is handled by the resource protocol handler. > > > I think there are also some schemes from the > > mailnews group > > > > mailto:, mailbox:, news:, > > imap:, pop3:, > From these 5, only mailbox: is missing in the w3 doc. Can somebody > define it? > > > ???? > > Are we missing some mailnews schemes? > > Other schemes, which are supported by Mozilla or may be supported in the > future? In keeping RFC 2717, any schemes that Mozilla is introducing should *not* be under the IETF tree. Looking at 3.3 of said RFC, it looks like "chrome" and the like should be changed to something along the lines of "mozilla-chrome". -- Braden N. McDaniel braden@endoframe.com From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:30 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: "mh12345678" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.layout.checkins,netscape.public.mozilla.layout,netscape.public.mozilla.java,netscape.public.mozilla.i18n,netscape.public.mozilla.gtk,netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.mozilla.embedding,netscape.public.mozilla.editor,n Subject: Re: ¾È³çÇϼ¼¿ä... ÃֽŠÇÁ·Î±×·¥ ÆË´Ï´Ù. 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From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:30 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: "Frederick G.M. Roeber" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.mail-news,netscape.public.mozilla.netlib,netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.mozilla.xpfe Subject: Re: please document URI schemes Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 09:07:50 -0800 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 62 Message-ID: <38BBFCE6.9134A316@netscape.com> References: <38462565.4F2D7FD0@w3.org> <3846ED0B.D2CB0DD8@mozilla.org> <38478391.74CF8D3D@cannibal.mi.org> <384788CB.8FB3EE2C@primus-online.de> <38B81A57.2810A2A2@bucksch.com> <38BB9BB5.8D04AD6F@endoframe.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-208-12-62-99.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms04EB424562049693B0A0A4FA" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.71 [en] (X11; U; IRIX 6.3 IP32) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, es Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.mail-news:7153 netscape.public.mozilla.netlib:3551 netscape.public.mozilla.general:16843 netscape.public.mozilla.xpfe:5762 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms04EB424562049693B0A0A4FA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > In keeping RFC 2717, any schemes that Mozilla is introducing > should *not* be under the IETF tree. Looking at 3.3 of said > RFC, it looks like "chrome" and the like should be changed > to something along the lines of "mozilla-chrome". For that matter, '//' is supposed to introduce a hostname. 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Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 19:33:44 +0200 Organization: CiTEC Lines: 31 Message-ID: <38BC02F8.5292917D@citec.fi> References: <89eq6o$ltk$1@konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu> <38BAFF70.EDA8F390@netscape.com> <38BB089F.50843834@citec.fi> <38BB22C5.F9BEF6C6@netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: fw.citec.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12-20 i686) X-Accept-Language: en Daniel Veditz wrote: > > Johnny Stenback wrote: > > > > Chris Hofmann wrote: > > > > > > mozilla > log.txt > > > > > > works for me on win95. > > > > > > > Yes, this works but it seems like this only redirects stdout to log.txt, > > not stderr. Have a look at bug #29395 and prove me wrong if this is not > > true. > > Have you tried an alternate shell as suggested in the bug? > > 4DOS/4NT will redirect stderr with >& instead of the usual >, and > various unix-shell emulators (bash comes free in cygwin, for example) > will do this also. > Yes, I did try "mozilla.exe 2>&1 > foo" in bash on windows but that didn't work :( > The standard MS command shells won't, however. > > -Dan Veditz -- jst From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:30 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Petrus Lundqvist Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Javascript not functioning in Mozilla, any build of m13 Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 21:41:03 +0200 Organization: peppe.net Lines: 79 Message-ID: <38BC20CF.F5667B29@peppe.net> References: <38B70C47.E980F748@wcla.com> <38BA1694.57E8CFB5@computer.org> <38BAFBAD.F560CFB9@kimbanet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-195.dyn.arenanet.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------msB53C9B030C06583AB9789EB8" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf To: pjones@kimbanet.com This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------msB53C9B030C06583AB9789EB8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > MOzilla *doesn't* do DHTML ?!!!!! Calm down. Of course Mozilla does DHTML. What Mozilla doesn't do is support non-standard document object models such as document.all or document.layers[]. DHTML is basically simply the action of changing CSS rules on the fly using some type of scripting language. > Mozilla /Netscape are supposed to be putting out an IE killer. "Supposed"? Where in the Mozilla mission statement does it say anything about killing IE or Microsoft?. It does however say that: "Mozilla is an open-source web browser, designed for standards-compliance, performance and portability" That's what's going on. Nobody is killing IE here so holster that gun. 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Lines: 13 Message-ID: <89hfip$eim$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 169.237.137.234 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Feb 29 21:40:15 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows NT) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x42.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 169.237.137.234 I can't seem to find a version of Netscape that will run on my DEC Alpha workstation (running NT 4.0). When I run the Communicator setup program intended for Windows95/98/NT I receiver the following message: "Setup requires a different versio of windows. Check to make sure you are running setup on the Windows platform for which it was intended. Error 102" Isn't NT for a DEC Alpha still NT!? Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:30 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!news.sgi.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.skycache.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: jojomatic@hotmail.com Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: SuSE 6.3 and Mozilla Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 22:26:44 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <89hh2v$fe6$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.147.227.18 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Feb 29 22:26:44 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows NT) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x22.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 205.147.227.18 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDjojomatic I am currently having one heckuva a hard time installing Mozilla on my SuSE 6.3 system. RPM's wont install because of the old libjpeg version, and upgrading to the newest makes all sorts of things cranky. And I am having trouble compiling CVS pulls... No idea why... Does anyone have any suggestions? Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:30 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!news.columbia.edu!news-not-for-mail From: peller@columbia.edu (Adam Peller) Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: How to get stdout/console on win32? Date: 29 Feb 2000 20:27:06 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 8 Message-ID: <89hrla$t3p$1@konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu> References: <89eq6o$ltk$1@konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu> <38BAF271.6C7A6214@SSpaeth.de> <89esj8$8cn$1@konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu> <38BB01FA.1C2DD717@cs.cmu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu In article <38BB01FA.1C2DD717@cs.cmu.edu>, Robert O'Callahan wrote: >No, it does still work. Whoops. Sorry I didn't believe you the first time... It does work! How'd they do that? :) Thanks. -Adam From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:30 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Dario Copia Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Any docs about how EVENTS works on Mozilla? Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 23:54:04 -0500 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 2 Message-ID: <38BCA26C.9C9851A8@artide.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1Cust64.tnt1.cambridge.ma.da.uu.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en TIA From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:30 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Landis Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Unable to install Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 01:07:12 -0500 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 11 Message-ID: <38BCB390.FEE74250@surfmi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: zzz-209252248016.splitrock.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en Im trying to install M13 on NT4 sp6 512MB ram 6GB free space. Tried both ways, double click installer.exe in windows explorer and start>run>installer.exe. Both ways return same results. Splash comes up and a few seconds later the error "?".......well at this point I went back up stairs to my workstation to run install again so I could write the error message down, but I renamed the M13 blah blah- intaller.exe file to just installer.exe and well, I'm currently installing Mozilla M13 on my workstation. I'm still sending this message, just in case someone else has this problem. Don't run file as downloaded..... Rename to installer.exe... works fine! From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:30 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Jerry Baker Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Where is the build ID stored? Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 22:28:46 -0800 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 9 Message-ID: <38BCB89E.D0C863A8@weirdness.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lsanca1-ar3-145-172.dsl.gtei.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.71 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en When building my own copies of Mozilla it insists on calling itself 1999122808 even when it is a fresh pull from the FTP today. Where do I change this at before I build? -- Jerry Baker PGP Mail Preferred Key: http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x09DE91C6 From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:30 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!isdnet!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!gmt2000.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "rvj" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: applet compatibility issues Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 10:23:24 -0000 Message-ID: <951906142.9129.0.nnrp-06.9e9837d2@news.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: gmt2000.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: gmt2000.demon.co.uk:158.152.55.210 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 951906142 nnrp-06:9129 NO-IDENT gmt2000.demon.co.uk:158.152.55.210 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Lines: 7 does anyone know if there is a newsgroup that covers Mozilla applet issues. tried to view a page with Surveyor Corp' JavaCamPush applet but no joy is there some sort of compatbility checklist? From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:30 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Robert Kaiser Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Where is the build ID stored? Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 12:56:29 +0100 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 7 Message-ID: <38BD056D.D958608F@StarTrekMail.com> References: <38BCB89E.D0C863A8@weirdness.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: robert.hirsch.sth.ac.at Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [de] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: de-AT,de,en-US,en,it >From L10n work, I know that the build ID shown in Mozilla browser status bar is stored in chrome/navigator/locale/en-US/navigator.dtd Warning: Handle .dtd files with care!!! A false dtd (means syntactically wrong files - does not mean changed strings) can crash Mozilla.... Robert Kaiser From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:30 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news.tachyon.com!bogustachy.com!wayne From: wayne@tachyon.xxx.154188.killspam.08b3 (Wayne Sewell) Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Netscape on DEC Alpha Date: 1 Mar 2000 07:32:25 CST Organization: Tachyon Software Consulting Lines: 38 Message-ID: References: <89hfip$eim$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Trace: dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com 951945879 657 199.183.50.15 (1 Mar 2000 21:24:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@mindspring.com In article <89hfip$eim$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, andyitd@my-deja.com writes: > I can't seem to find a version of Netscape that > will run on my DEC Alpha workstation (running NT > 4.0). When I run the Communicator setup program > intended for Windows95/98/NT I receiver the > following message: "Setup requires a different > versio of windows. Check to make sure you are > running setup on the Windows platform for which > it was intended. Error 102" Isn't NT for a DEC > Alpha still NT!? > Yes, but it is a totally different CPU with a completely different instruction set. Alpha and intel executables are not even remotely compatible. That's what the "platform" means. Alpha is a different platform from intel. You cannot possibly install a software package on alpha unless: 1) alpha executables are included in the package, or b) the FX binary emulator/translator can convert the executables from intel to alpha. I don't run NT on alpha any more (or nt at all, for that matter), but it was always my experience that FX was very limited in what it would translate. Almost every package I tried to install contained some type of custom device driver, and FX does not even attempt to translate those. That said, I seem to recall that FX had its own setup program. You might try that instead of the setup that comes with the software package. It's somewhere in the fx directory tree. -- =============================================================================== Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting (281)812-0738 wayne@tachyon.xxx http://www.tachyon.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot :-) =============================================================================== Butler:"Gentlemen!" Curly(as he and other Stooges look around):"Who came in?" From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:30 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Scott I. Remick Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: 2 bugs in build 2000022908 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 11:05:28 -0500 Organization: Computer Alternatives, Inc. Lines: 18 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: scott.computeralt.com X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.20 Not sure if this should go into n.p.m.general or n.p.m.builds so please advise... anyhow: 1) URLs typed in without the "http://" prefix don't work. It doesn't matter if you type them into the main location field, or pop up the Go To Location dialog (CTRL-L). 2) I am often loosing cursor/highlight in the location field. Testing suggests that the cursor is still doing what I wanted to (positioning, selecting, etc), but it's just not visible. Otherwise it appears to behave correctly. ----------------------- Scott I. Remick scott@computeralt.com Network and Information (802)388-7545 ext. 236 Systems Manager FAX:(802)388-3697 Computer Alternatives, Inc. http://www.computeralt.com From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:30 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!unlisys!news.snafu.de!news-FFM2.ecrc.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38BD3FDA.D1E904EB@earthlink.net> From: gek@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: News groups Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 6 Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 16:06:03 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.178.177.159 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 951926763 209.178.177.159 (Wed, 01 Mar 2000 08:06:03 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 08:06:03 PST Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Can anyone tell me why the a news group will have, lets say, 300 articles and when you download it there are only 25. These are groups that I view daily, so the chance of having expired articles is slim. Please respond via email, Thanks! From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:30 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Lemming Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: News groups Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 19:05:08 +0000 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 24 Message-ID: <38BD69E4.4893A7F0@lemnet.com> References: <38BD3FDA.D1E904EB@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: usr825-kno.cableinet.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en gek@earthlink.net wrote: > Can anyone tell me why the a news group will have, lets say, 300 > articles and when you download it there are only 25. These are groups > that I view daily, so the chance of having expired articles is slim. > > Please respond via email, Thanks! I am assuming you are talking about Netscape 4, in which case you didn't read any of the previous messages - something you should always do before posting to a newsgroup. If you HAD done so you would have noticed that this newsgroup is for the development of Netscape 5, NOT support for Netscape 4. In addition you asked for a reply via email. The motto for newsgroupd is "ask in newsgroup, reply in newsgroup". Oh, and for help with your problem please visit the Netscape Unofficial FAQ at http://www.ufaq.org/ or the communicator newsgroup at snews://secnews.netscape.com/netscape.communicator Thanks, Lemming, LemNet Manager http://www.lemnet.com/banners/ - Free targeted advertising http://www.lemnet.com/domains/ - Is your domain available? http://www.lemnet.com/guestbooks/ - Free guestbooks From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:30 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Adam Lock Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: News groups Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 20:13:17 +0000 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 11 Message-ID: <38BD79DD.457CD420@iol.ie> References: <38BD3FDA.D1E904EB@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-306.cork.iol.ie Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en gek@earthlink.net wrote: > > Can anyone tell me why the a news group will have, lets say, 300 > articles and when you download it there are only 25. These are groups > that I view daily, so the chance of having expired articles is slim. Probably someone spammed, sporged, forged, rogue cancelled or otherwise molested the group so that a lot of the messages were removed. -- Adam Lock - locka@iol.ie From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:30 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!pixie.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: John Morrison Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: 2 bugs in build 2000022908 Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 12:49:33 -0800 Organization: Netscape Lines: 22 Message-ID: <38BD825D.29124AA@netscape.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.12.39.231 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en "Scott I. Remick" wrote: > > Not sure if this should go into n.p.m.general or n.p.m.builds so please > advise... anyhow: > > 1) URLs typed in without the "http://" prefix don't work. It doesn't > matter if you type them into the main location field, or pop up the Go To > Location dialog (CTRL-L). I think a fix was checked in for this yesterday ~12pmPST. > > 2) I am often loosing cursor/highlight in the location field. Testing > suggests that the cursor is still doing what I wanted to (positioning, > selecting, etc), but it's just not visible. Otherwise it appears to > behave correctly. > > ----------------------- > Scott I. Remick scott@computeralt.com > Network and Information (802)388-7545 ext. 236 > Systems Manager FAX:(802)388-3697 > Computer Alternatives, Inc. http://www.computeralt.com From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:30 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Jerry Baker Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Another C newbie ?? Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 14:18:07 -0800 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 14 Message-ID: <38BD971F.E60E53FF@weirdness.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lsanca1-ar3-145-172.dsl.gtei.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.71 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Is _itoa() XP compatible? I would like to use it in a function I am coding for use in nsHTTPhandler.cpp, but I need to know if it is XP compatible first. I can't tell for sure from the MSDN docs. If it is not compatible, is there an ANSI C equivalent? If you don't know, _itoa() converts an integer to a null terminated string and takes the form of _itoa(integer, string, radix). -- Jerry Baker PGP Mail Preferred Key: http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x09DE91C6 From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:30 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Jerry Baker Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Another C newbie ?? Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 14:22:14 -0800 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 29 Message-ID: <38BD9816.F6E83A36@weirdness.com> References: <38BD971F.E60E53FF@weirdness.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lsanca1-ar3-145-172.dsl.gtei.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.71 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Jerry Baker wrote: > > Is _itoa() XP compatible? I would like to use it in a function I am > coding for use in nsHTTPhandler.cpp, but I need to know if it is XP > compatible first. I can't tell for sure from the MSDN docs. > > If it is not compatible, is there an ANSI C equivalent? > > If you don't know, _itoa() converts an integer to a null terminated > string and takes the form of _itoa(integer, string, radix). > > -- > Jerry Baker OK. It may not matter if it is XP compatible or not depending on the answer to the following question (forgive my questions I am very new to C here). If there was a function that only worked on Win32, but it was inside of an #ifdef (XP_PC) would it matter? If it was inside of the #ifdef it would not trip up compilers on other platforms since they would ignore anything inside of that #ifdef right? Or am I not understanding how an #ifdef works? -- Jerry Baker PGP Mail Preferred Key: http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x09DE91C6 From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:30 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Robert O'Callahan Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Another C newbie ?? Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 17:46:24 -0500 Organization: Carnegie Mellon University Lines: 30 Message-ID: <38BD9DC0.BA6B2927@cs.cmu.edu> References: <38BD971F.E60E53FF@weirdness.com> <38BD9816.F6E83A36@weirdness.com> Reply-To: roc+@cs.cmu.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: MAJESTY.FAC.CS.CMU.EDU Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en Jerry Baker wrote: > Jerry Baker wrote: > > Is _itoa() XP compatible? I would like to use it in a function I am > > coding for use in nsHTTPhandler.cpp, but I need to know if it is XP > > compatible first. I can't tell for sure from the MSDN docs. > > > > If it is not compatible, is there an ANSI C equivalent? > > > > If you don't know, _itoa() converts an integer to a null terminated > > string and takes the form of _itoa(integer, string, radix). > > OK. It may not matter if it is XP compatible or not depending on the > answer to the following question (forgive my questions I am very new to > C here). > > If there was a function that only worked on Win32, but it was inside of > an #ifdef (XP_PC) would it matter? If it was inside of the #ifdef it > would not trip up compilers on other platforms since they would ignore > anything inside of that #ifdef right? Or am I not understanding how an > #ifdef works? You should be OK. Rob -- [Robert O'Callahan http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~roc 6th year CMU CS PhD student "I have seen the burden God has laid on men. He has made everything beautiful in its time. He has also set eternity in the hearts of men; yet they cannot fathom what God has done from beginning to end." --- Ecclesiastes 3:10-11] From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:30 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ70!supernews.com!remarQ69!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: "Ben Graves" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Could someone help me with layers in Mozilla Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 00:33:57 -0000 Organization: GXSN Lines: 11 Message-ID: <89kd2c$d74$1@gxsn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.228.235 X-Trace: 951957388 1NNUCNF1GE4EBC393C gxsn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I know this isn't really the right place to ask but could someone here help me with addressing layers in Mozilla. In 'IE5' I can use document.all.Layer1.style, what do I use so my JavaScript works with Mozilla? Any help would be great, ben_g From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:30 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: "Keith Bowes" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Could someone help me with layers in Mozilla Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 00:42:18 -0500 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 9 Message-ID: <89kv7n$cfr2@secnews.netscape.com> References: <89kd2c$d74$1@gxsn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208-26-98-59.inetone.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 > In 'IE5' I can use document.all.Layer1.style, what do I use so my JavaScript > works with Mozilla? document.getElementById('Layer1').style is the Mozilla equivalent. Believe it or not, it also works in IE5. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:30 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!gateway From: mtulloch@winnie.fit.edu (Michael Tulloch) Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Testing sites on Moz / if speed killed i'd be 20 ft under Date: 2 Mar 2000 05:52:12 GMT Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <38BD825D.29124AA@netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-207-200-73-41.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: mozilla-general@mozilla.org Everyone, Time for a little celebratory cheer...Moz on Win32 is F-A-S-T. That in my book makes it quite usable, that and the countless patches and long hard work put in by the code-fiends. Good job! It's really starting to feel like a beta, and man, that has the juices flowing here. Anyhow, I'm also working on a web site, and one of the browsers I've been using has been Moz. Since it's a more strict about standards, it makes a great testing tool, as well. Any other designers out there testing their stuff with Moz? ---Mike }-------------------------------------------------{ } Dark Journey : Poetry of the Crestfallen { } Poetry @ www.Fatbrain.com's E-matter { }-------------------------------------------------{ From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:30 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Jerry Baker Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Testing sites on Moz / if speed killed i'd be 20 ft under Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 22:15:40 -0800 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 30 Message-ID: <38BE070C.2B3F9965@weirdness.com> References: <38BD825D.29124AA@netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lsanca1-ar3-145-172.dsl.gtei.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.71 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Michael Tulloch wrote: > > Everyone, > > Time for a little celebratory cheer...Moz on Win32 is F-A-S-T. That in my > book makes it quite usable, that and the countless patches and long hard > work put in by the code-fiends. Good job! It's really starting to feel > like a beta, and man, that has the juices flowing here. > > Anyhow, I'm also working on a web site, and one of the browsers I've been > using has been Moz. Since it's a more strict about standards, it makes a > great testing tool, as well. > > Any other designers out there testing their stuff with Moz? > ---Mike > }-------------------------------------------------{ > } Dark Journey : Poetry of the Crestfallen { > } Poetry @ www.Fatbrain.com's E-matter { > }-------------------------------------------------{ I do test with Mozilla now that quirks mode is starting to be a little more sane. Remember that if you want your HTML to be rendered by Mozilla according to strict HTML 4.0 specs, you need to indicate so at the top with a doctype declaration for the strict HTML 4.0 DTD. -- Jerry Baker PGP Mail Preferred Key: http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x09DE91C6 From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:30 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Herve Foucher Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Persistant proxy authentification fails Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 07:50:08 GMT Organization: HELIO - Web Based Projects Lines: 27 Message-ID: <89l6fg$21g$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.106.68.201 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Mar 02 07:50:08 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.72 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x29.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 193.106.68.201 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhfoucher I read in MozillaZine on February 13th, 2000: > "If you haven't tried a nightly build in the past few days, > we might have some reasons for you to do so. > Borofkin writes, "The latest nightly build has persistant proxy > authentication, making it usable for those of us whose only > Internet access is via an authenticating proxy server." So, I downloaded the latest nighly build and yes! it worked. But today, I've replaced this build by a new one (2000-03-01-16) and it is not persistant anymore :-( I am asked for a passwd at each page. It becomes even worst when using the proxy. The passwd is prompt for each page AND image. Before installing 2000-03-01-16, I had removed C:\winnt\moz* and everything in C:\Program Files\Mozilla. Does anyone make it work fine ? Config: PII 400Mhz / 256Mo / Win NT4SP4 -- Herve FOUCHER, HELIO Author of the SMIL and French tutorials http://www.helio.org/education/ Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:30 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Jerry Baker Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Another C newbie ?? Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 00:52:41 -0800 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 15 Message-ID: <38BE2BD9.5BC4E78@weirdness.com> References: <38BD971F.E60E53FF@weirdness.com> <38BD9816.F6E83A36@weirdness.com> <38BD9DC0.BA6B2927@cs.cmu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lsanca1-ar3-145-172.dsl.gtei.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.71 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Robert O'Callahan wrote: > > You should be OK. > > Rob > -- Mental note to self: Do not do _itoa([integer], [nsCString], [radix]) - you will crash msvcrt.dll...d'oh! -- Jerry Baker PGP Mail Preferred Key: http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x09DE91C6 From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:30 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!gateway From: "biswapesh_chatterjee"@tcscal.co.in (Chatterjee_Biswapesh) Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: good test siite Date: 2 Mar 2000 12:26:29 GMT Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 10 Message-ID: <65256896.00445FC9.00@svrsdfbldg.tcscal.co.in> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-207-200-73-41.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: mozilla-general@mozilla.org Somebody posted this link (http://www.essence.co.uk/essence/foldertree/document.htm) at mozillazine which crashes M14 (but not M13) - not very sure why but this is a pretty good DHTML test link. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:30 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!gateway From: "biswapesh_chatterjee"@tcscal.co.in (Chatterjee_Biswapesh) Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: XML test page Date: 2 Mar 2000 12:43:31 GMT Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 9 Message-ID: <65256896.0045EF9A.00@svrsdfbldg.tcscal.co.in> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-207-200-73-41.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: mozilla-general@mozilla.org Here is another excellent XML test page: http://www.xml.com/1999/03/ie5/first-x.xml posted by someone at mozillazine and the nightlies mess this one up royally. Is this a known bug ? From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:30 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Robert Kaiser Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Testing sites on Moz / if speed killed i'd be 20 ft under Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 14:27:29 +0100 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 7 Message-ID: <38BE6C40.B6C731E8@StarTrekMail.com> References: <38BD825D.29124AA@netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: robert.hirsch.sth.ac.at Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [de] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: de-AT,de,en-US,en,it I do build all of my sites to display with Mozilla correctly, then looking if they are viewable on IE5 and Nav4.7 - and I must admit that I'll love the day when I can close out Nav4.7 from testing. That'll make life much more easy... Robert Kaiser From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:30 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: "V. Desai" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Help needed..... Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:45:26 -0000 Organization: Intersoft Inc. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <89n1u9$kl51@secnews.netscape.com> Reply-To: "V. Desai" NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.208.38.24 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I am new to this Mozilla stuff and, in fact, had my first look at Mozilla.org only about a couple of days back. I've gone ahead and downloaded ActivePerl, the GNU tools, etc. that are needed for building the lizard..... Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be too much of source code documentation and, since I am only used to the VC++ compiler, I am having trouble navigating the source code (no Class View, File View, etc.) I haven't decided in which area I'll contribute to the project. Thought I had better have a look at the stuff before I figure out where my skills lie and what I can do..... Could someone give me pointers on how to start navigating the source code? From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:30 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Christian Pinheiro Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.directory,netscape.server,netscape.public.general,netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.mozilla.java,netscape.public.admin Subject: [OFF-TOPIC] List dedicated to Netscape Enterprise Server Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 16:34:55 -0300 Organization: VeritelNet Brazil Lines: 37 Message-ID: <38BEC25F.12E1A6E7@veritel.com.br> NNTP-Posting-Host: saturn.veritel.com.br Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.7 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.directory:1522 netscape.server:172 netscape.public.general:21597 netscape.public.mozilla.general:16872 netscape.public.mozilla.java:6959 netscape.public.admin:1276 In the course of configuring and using the Netscape Enterprise Server software, we have discovered that there is no single mailing list dedicated to this complex application, and that the traffic on the "netscape.server" newsgroup is too low to be useful. We would have benefited (and still would benefit) greatly from a list dedicated to the configuration and administration of the Netscape Enterprise Server software, and we believe that others using this software would find such a resource highly useful. Consequently, we have decided to host, on an experimental basis, a list dedicated to discussing problems related to the Netscape Enterprise Server software. We invite all interested in participating to subscribe. To subscribe, please send an e-mail (no subject needed) to: majordomo@lists.veritel.com.br with the following text in the first line of the body of the message: subscribe nes-managers-l [] Because this list is experimental, we are not, for the moment, hosting archives for the list. (Please note that, aside from being a user of software produced by Netscape, we have no association with Netscape, and this list has not been endorsed by nor has any connection with Netscape.) ---- Christian M Pinheiro System Administrator - VeritelNet Brazil From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:30 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Ray Yang Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Testing sites on Moz / if speed killed i'd be 20 ft under Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 17:06:44 -0500 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 22 Message-ID: <38BEE5F4.4474D367@princeton.edu> References: <38BD825D.29124AA@netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ray.student.Princeton.EDU Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en I'm not a website designer, I just browse, and this surprised me, since I'm on Win32 and one of my major gripes with Moz is the horrific time it takes to load compared to Netscape 4.7 and IE5. Guess it's something wrong with my system .... Ray Michael Tulloch wrote: > > Everyone, > > Time for a little celebratory cheer...Moz on Win32 is F-A-S-T. That in my > book makes it quite usable, that and the countless patches and long hard > work put in by the code-fiends. Good job! It's really starting to feel > like a beta, and man, that has the juices flowing here. > > Anyhow, I'm also working on a web site, and one of the browsers I've been > using has been Moz. Since it's a more strict about standards, it makes a > great testing tool, as well. > > Any other designers out there testing their stuff with Moz? > ---Mike From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:30 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!pixie.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: John Morrison Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: good test siite Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 15:35:39 -0800 Organization: Netscape Lines: 11 Message-ID: <38BEFACB.33D52D36@netscape.com> References: <65256896.00445FC9.00@svrsdfbldg.tcscal.co.in> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.12.39.231 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Yep it's http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30026 Thanks, John Chatterjee_Biswapesh wrote: > > Somebody posted this link > (http://www.essence.co.uk/essence/foldertree/document.htm) at mozillazine which > crashes M14 (but not M13) - not very sure why but this is a pretty good DHTML > test link. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:30 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Daniel Veditz Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Testing sites on Moz / if speed killed i'd be 20 ft under Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 16:08:47 -0800 Organization: Speaking only for myself Lines: 29 Message-ID: <38BF028F.EDABFD49@netscape.com> References: <38BD825D.29124AA@netscape.com> <38BEE5F4.4474D367@princeton.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-208-12-39-196.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en WinNT performance is pretty good; it's improving but still sucks on Win9x. I think that explains your differing experience. -Dan Veditz Ray Yang wrote: > > I'm not a website designer, I just browse, and this surprised me, since I'm on > Win32 and one of my major gripes with Moz is the horrific time it takes to > load compared to Netscape 4.7 and IE5. Guess it's something wrong with my > system .... > > Ray > > Michael Tulloch wrote: > > > > Everyone, > > > > Time for a little celebratory cheer...Moz on Win32 is F-A-S-T. That in my > > book makes it quite usable, that and the countless patches and long hard > > work put in by the code-fiends. Good job! It's really starting to feel > > like a beta, and man, that has the juices flowing here. > > > > Anyhow, I'm also working on a web site, and one of the browsers I've been > > using has been Moz. Since it's a more strict about standards, it makes a > > great testing tool, as well. > > > > Any other designers out there testing their stuff with Moz? > > ---Mike From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:30 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!gateway From: mtulloch@winnie.fit.edu (Michael Tulloch) Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Testing sites on Moz / if speed killed i'd be 20 ft under Date: 3 Mar 2000 00:42:44 GMT Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: <38BF028F.EDABFD49@netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-207-200-73-41.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: mozilla-general@mozilla.org, Daniel Veditz On Thu, 2 Mar 2000, Daniel Veditz wrote: > WinNT performance is pretty good; it's improving but still sucks on > Win9x. I think that explains your differing experience. > > -Dan Veditz > > Ray Yang wrote: > > > > I'm not a website designer, I just browse, and this surprised me, since I'm on > > Win32 and one of my major gripes with Moz is the horrific time it takes to > > load compared to Netscape 4.7 and IE5. Guess it's something wrong with my > > system .... It would, if I was on NT. :) I'm using Win98, and the nightly build I got simply kills. It takes longer to load the prog than NN4.7, but it renders them faster. I can't compare it to IE 5, but I'd say it's a trifle faster than IE 4.01. I'm sure this won't be true for every single page out there, but from what I'v eseen so far, I'm impressed. My system is 400 Mhz K6-2, 128 Mb RAM, nothing spectacular in the video department. Maybe it's the RAM? ---Mike }-------------------------------------------------{ } Dark Journey : Poetry of the Crestfallen { } Poetry @ www.Fatbrain.com's E-matter { }-------------------------------------------------{ From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:30 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Ray Yang Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Testing sites on Moz / if speed killed i'd be 20 ft under Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 23:40:17 -0500 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 15 Message-ID: <38BF4231.9940E1A8@princeton.edu> References: <38BF028F.EDABFD49@netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ray.student.Princeton.EDU Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Michael Tulloch wrote: > It would, if I was on NT. :) I'm using Win98, and the nightly build I got > simply kills. It takes longer to load the prog than NN4.7, but it renders > them faster. I can't compare it to IE 5, but I'd say it's a trifle faster > than IE 4.01. I'm sure this won't be true for every single page out there, > but from what I'v eseen so far, I'm impressed. > > My system is 400 Mhz K6-2, 128 Mb RAM, nothing spectacular in the video > department. Maybe it's the RAM? May well be -- I have 64 MB RAM, 400 Mhz PII, and am running way too many little background programs. And I'm not using the nightly builds ... maybe I should. Will see, I guess =) Ray From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:30 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: "Keith Bowes" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: POT- Plugins Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 03:29:01 -0500 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 8 Message-ID: <89ntcu$n0c1@secnews.netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208-26-98-131.inetone.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Hello. I was wondering if there's perhaps a way to use plugins with Mozilla. For instance, when music, video, a Java applet, or something is embedded into a web page, the current milestone of Mozilla just shows a gray box. How could I, for example, associate audio and video with Real Player? From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:30 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: "Tony L." Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.general Subject: FTP Question Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 07:28:40 -0700 Organization: Absolutely none Lines: 7 Message-ID: <38BFCC17.686566C9@zerbert.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts24-98.ctaz.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.general:16881 netscape.public.general:21640 Hi, When you don't have the "Send email address as anonymous FTP password" box checked in Preferences/Advanced, what gets sent as the userid and password? Is the word "anonymous" sent as both? Thanks, Tony L. (real email address is atlinc@hotmail.com) From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:30 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!remarQ-easT!remarQ.com!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Nospam Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: uconv.dll and M14 crashing Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 11:07:36 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 6 Message-ID: <38BFE348.486F8A48@aug.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.71 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mozilla Milestone 14 (and previous builds) crash upon startup. I found that removing ZoneAlarm, a firewall, from the system solved the problem. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:31 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Jerry Baker Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.general Subject: Re: FTP Question Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 08:26:51 -0800 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 17 Message-ID: <38BFE7CB.C1B7E9DA@weirdness.com> References: <38BFCC17.686566C9@zerbert.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lsanca1-ar3-145-172.dsl.gtei.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.71 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.general:16883 netscape.public.general:21652 "Tony L." wrote: > > Hi, > When you don't have the "Send email address as anonymous FTP password" > box checked in Preferences/Advanced, what gets sent as the userid and > password? Is the word "anonymous" sent as both? > Thanks, > Tony L. (real email address is atlinc@hotmail.com) Not sure what Mozilla does, but Netscape sends the username as "anonymous" and the password as "mozilla@". -- Jerry Baker PGP Mail Preferred Key: http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x09DE91C6 From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:31 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Daniel Veditz Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Testing sites on Moz / if speed killed i'd be 20 ft under Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 08:31:13 -0800 Organization: Speaking only for myself Lines: 22 Message-ID: <38BFE8D1.FAE2B381@netscape.com> References: <38BF028F.EDABFD49@netscape.com> <38BF4231.9940E1A8@princeton.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-205-217-240-65.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Ray Yang wrote: > > Michael Tulloch wrote: > > It would, if I was on NT. :) I'm using Win98, and the nightly build I got > > simply kills. It takes longer to load the prog than NN4.7, but it renders > > them faster. I can't compare it to IE 5, but I'd say it's a trifle faster > > than IE 4.01. I'm sure this won't be true for every single page out there, > > but from what I'v eseen so far, I'm impressed. > > > > My system is 400 Mhz K6-2, 128 Mb RAM, nothing spectacular in the video > > department. Maybe it's the RAM? > > May well be -- I have 64 MB RAM, 400 Mhz PII, and am running way too many > little background programs. And I'm not using the nightly builds ... maybe I > should. Will see, I guess =) Then what *are* you running? The performance of debug builds is *really* bad. The official M13 was OK, then the nightly builds got severely worse for a while, then the problem was found and recent M14 builds are faster again. -Dan Veditz From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:31 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Daniel Veditz Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: POT- Plugins Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 08:33:22 -0800 Organization: Speaking only for myself Lines: 17 Message-ID: <38BFE952.69F18FB4@netscape.com> References: <89ntcu$n0c1@secnews.netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-205-217-240-65.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Keith Bowes wrote: > > Hello. > > I was wondering if there's perhaps a way to use plugins with Mozilla. For > instance, when music, video, a Java applet, or something is embedded into a > web page, the current milestone of Mozilla just shows a gray box. How could > I, for example, associate audio and video with Real Player? Mozilla loads most Communicator-style plugins just fine. It will look in a "plugins" directory below the executable just as Communicator does. I think it will also load plugins found in a COmmunicator installation. I'm not sure if that's a permanent feature or was just a development time thing. -Dan Veditz From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:31 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Robert O'Callahan Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Help needed..... Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 12:10:14 -0500 Organization: Carnegie Mellon University Lines: 18 Message-ID: <38BFF1F6.1DB76718@cs.cmu.edu> References: <89n1u9$kl51@secnews.netscape.com> Reply-To: roc+@cs.cmu.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: MAJESTY.FAC.CS.CMU.EDU Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en "V. Desai" wrote: > Could someone give me pointers on how to start navigating the source > code? I suggest reading as much documentation on Mozilla.org as you can stand. Then play around with Mozilla a bit and think about what you would like to do. And only THEN go to http://lxr.mozilla.org and poke around for the code related to what you're interested in. (Post here or email me if you have trouble finding what you want.) Just browsing around can be fun but it's rarely very productive. Rob -- [Robert O'Callahan http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~roc 6th year CMU CS PhD student "I have seen the burden God has laid on men. He has made everything beautiful in its time. He has also set eternity in the hearts of men; yet they cannot fathom what God has done from beginning to end." --- Ecclesiastes 3:10-11] From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:31 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Ray Yang Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Testing sites on Moz / if speed killed i'd be 20 ft under Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 12:56:23 -0500 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 11 Message-ID: <38BFFCC7.57F41613@princeton.edu> References: <38BF028F.EDABFD49@netscape.com> <38BF4231.9940E1A8@princeton.edu> <38BFE8D1.FAE2B381@netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ray.student.Princeton.EDU Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Daniel Veditz wrote: > Then what *are* you running? The performance of debug builds is *really* > bad. The official M13 was OK, then the nightly builds got severely worse > for a while, then the problem was found and recent M14 builds are faster > again. The official M14. Ray From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:31 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Richard Zach Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: POT- Plugins Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 18:40:26 -0800 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 7 Message-ID: <38C0779A.8020408@NOSPAMmath.berkeley.edu> References: <89ntcu$n0c1@secnews.netscape.com> <38BFE952.69F18FB4@netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-63-194-82-58.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Mozilla 5.0 X-Accept-Language: en > Mozilla loads most Communicator-style plugins just fine. It will look in > a "plugins" directory below the executable just as Communicator does. Except on Linux. Linux legacy plugins don't work with Mozilla. http://developer.netscape.com/support/faqs/plugins/general.html From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:31 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Richard Zach Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: POT- Plugins Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 18:44:10 -0800 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 19 Message-ID: <38C0787A.5010306@NOSPAMmath.berkeley.edu> References: <89ntcu$n0c1@secnews.netscape.com> <38BFE952.69F18FB4@netscape.com> <38C0779A.8020408@NOSPAMmath.berkeley.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-63-194-82-58.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Mozilla 5.0 X-Accept-Language: en Richard Zach wrote: > > Mozilla loads most Communicator-style plugins just fine. It will look in > > a "plugins" directory below the executable just as Communicator does. > Except on Linux. Linux legacy plugins don't work with Mozilla. > > http://developer.netscape.com/support/faqs/plugins/general.html > Strike that URL. here's the right one. http://www.mozilla.org/docs/plugin.html From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:31 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!gateway From: jecg-pqg@ihug.co.nz (Jenni &/or Patrick) Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Testing sites on Moz / if speed killed i'd be 20 ft under Date: 4 Mar 2000 09:03:49 GMT Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 38 Message-ID: <001a01bf85b8$8f0a0b20$2f6712ce@paddonhome1> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: h-207-200-73-41.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: "Michael Tulloch" , I certainly agree :) And it works even faster under Windows 2000. (3.5seconds to load default start page under win98se, compared to 2.9seconds to load default start page under win2k-prof). I'm certainly looking forward to the final release :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Tulloch" To: Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 6:52 PM Subject: Testing sites on Moz / if speed killed i'd be 20 ft under > > Everyone, > > Time for a little celebratory cheer...Moz on Win32 is F-A-S-T. That in my > book makes it quite usable, that and the countless patches and long hard > work put in by the code-fiends. Good job! It's really starting to feel > like a beta, and man, that has the juices flowing here. > > Anyhow, I'm also working on a web site, and one of the browsers I've been > using has been Moz. Since it's a more strict about standards, it makes a > great testing tool, as well. > > Any other designers out there testing their stuff with Moz? > ---Mike > }-------------------------------------------------{ > } Dark Journey : Poetry of the Crestfallen { > } Poetry @ www.Fatbrain.com's E-matter { > }-------------------------------------------------{ > > From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:31 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed1.uni2.dk!news.get2net.dk!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38C10C3C.F4AD9896@ns-media.dk> From: Soren Birk Jacobsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-SGI [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.5 IP32) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.general,netscape.public.admin Subject: Text/fonts rendering extremely small, help! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 35 Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 14:14:36 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.47.156.41 X-Complaints-To: abuse@uni2.dk X-Trace: news.get2net.dk 952173275 195.47.156.41 (Sat, 04 Mar 2000 13:34:35 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 13:34:35 MET DST Organization: UNI2 Internet Kunde Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.general:16891 netscape.public.general:21691 netscape.public.admin:1277 Im administering a network of 15 O2's, they are set-up almost identically, but.. I have a webpage with educational material for my students http://hal9000.ots.dk/animation/ it is using a stylesheet I made wich is referring fonts in absolute pixel sizes. This pages renders fine on all but one of the O2's, this one machine renders the content of the table extremely/unreadably small. I have tried running netscape with remote display to another station and also another stations netscape displaying on the problem station, and it is clear that it is not a Netscape problem but rather a X/Wm problem since it is only when displaying the content on that machine that things go wrong. I have tried pretty much reinstalling all system components, and copied all files that would seem to be related from a working station, but still .. it renders the text small. Do anyone have an idea where to look? -- regards kurgan =================================== 10+ years in 3D graphics/animation ----------------------------------- Instructor + A|W reseller App.Eng. ICQ: 31301694 Mobile: (+45)40971688 From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:31 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: John Dobbins Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: uconv.dll and M14 crashing Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 08:27:24 -0500 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 8 Message-ID: <38C10F3B.10F533EB@bellsouth.net> References: <38BFE348.486F8A48@aug.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-78-141-45.atl.bellsouth.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf You don't have to remove ZoneAlarm. See my comments on Bug 28403 for instructions on using Mozilla with ZoneAlarm. Nospam wrote: > Mozilla Milestone 14 (and previous builds) crash upon startup. I found > that removing ZoneAlarm, a firewall, from the system solved the problem. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:31 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: "Jonas Sicking" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Guidelines when confirming bugs Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 06:41:01 +0100 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 37 Message-ID: <89ss0r$9aq1@secnews.netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.247.16.38 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Since I currently don't have the skills to contribute to the mozilla project by coding I try to help out by going through unconfirmed bugs. However there are many cases when I'm not sure how to treat a bug. Is there any guidelines about when to confirm a bug? Is it enough just to look at the page and confirm that there really exists a bug (I.e. the "bug" is not just a problem, a special IE feature or just something that is not implemented in mozilla). Of course I always try to find out as much about the bug as possible before taking any steps with the bug, but once I've narrowed it down it would be nice to know what the RightThing (tm) thing to do is. Here are some problems I've came across: * How should a bugreport be treated? * How should a bug about feature that is not yet implemented in mozilla but probably will (XSLT, DOM-events, CSS2) be treated? * What should we do with a RFE? * If a simplified testcase is needed should this be marked in some way (BugAThon?) ? * Should bugs on top100 sites be treated in some special way (mark beta1/2 and top100) and what sites are considered top100? * Is it enough to see that there actually is a real bug on the page to mark it NEW, or should we assign it to the proper component and leave it UNCONFIRMED? For me it would be nice if we could confirm bugs as soon as we know that there really is a real problem. That way it is easier to keep track of new UNCONFIRMED bugs and give them proper treatment. I think a good idea would be to put some of these general rules on a page somewhere on the mozilla.org site and link to it from the http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/bug_status.html page. -- Jonas Sicking From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:31 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Richard Zach Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Guidelines when confirming bugs Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 11:11:45 -0800 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 64 Message-ID: <38C2B171.1020607@NOSPAMmath.berkeley.edu> References: <89ss0r$9aq1@secnews.netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-63-194-82-58.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Mozilla 5.0 X-Accept-Language: en CC: leger@netscape.com > * How should a bugreport be treated? See http://www.mozilla.org/newlayout/bugathon.html#layerbugs You send feedback to the webmaster, mark the bug INVALID, and put [LAYER] in the whiteboard. CC ekrock@netscape.com for good measure. Note that just because there are LAYERS or document.layers or document.all doesn't mean that there is no bug on the page. Always try to view the page with javascript off (if it's a document.layers) problem or save to disk and edit out all the LAYER tags, to see if there's not another problem. Plenty of pages, e.g., use standard JS functions to provide mouseover effects using document.layers. These should really work in Mozilla as without the mouseover effect. Just yesterday I looked at http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30014 : full of document.layer and document.all, but there was actually another problem. > * If a simplified testcase is needed should > this be marked in some way (BugAThon?) ? Well, make one ;) and then put in the testcase keyword. > * Should bugs on top100 sites > be treated in some special way (mark beta1/2 and top100) and what sites > are considered top100? Jan Leger once sent me a list of those, but I lost it. It would be nice if it were linked from http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/describekeywords.cgi > * Is it enough to see that there actually is a > real bug on the page to mark it NEW, or should we assign it to the > proper component and leave it UNCONFIRMED? For me it would be nice if we > could confirm bugs as soon as we know that there really is a real > problem. That way it is easier to keep track of new UNCONFIRMED bugs and > give them proper treatment. In terms of layout bugs, I haven't seen any where it was possible to confirm there was a bug AND diagnose it enough to assign it to the correct component without diagnosing it sufficiently to provide a simplified testcase. I'd say if you can't add enough information to the bug report to make it clear what the problem is (so that engineers can decide who owns it, whether it's a duplicate, etc.) then leave it UNCONFIRMED, so that others can see immedaitely that it needs attention. > I think a good idea would be to put some of > these general rules on a page somewhere on the mozilla.org site and link > to it from the http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/bug_status.html page. -- http://www.mozilla.org/newlayout/bugathon.html has some information. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:31 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Stefan Rieken Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: maintaining news.mozilla.org Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 20:16:56 +0100 Organization: Flip de Egel Productions Lines: 29 Message-ID: <38C2B2A8.5A79A861@SoftHome.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: k8nw478.dial.kabelfoon.nl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686) X-Accept-Language: en Hi folks, I am a dialuppie, and it's sunday. This means that I can *NOT* download more than a few k's in a row. I use news.mozilla.org to address this newsgroup, but actually they seem to be behaving like an archive or something. The first messages that I was able to look at dated from 1998 - about the start of the Mozilla project. This particular newsgroup currently contains 16164 messages (and I haven't been able to check their age). My complaint is that I can't use news.mozilla.org at all because I first have to download all the old and obsolete messages -- and I can not do that. It's just too much, my browser fails or keeps trying in vain. Now all you backbone-trippin' hardcore folks point to me and laugh at the dialuppie >:-D -- OK, ready? The fact is, that I am not the only dialuppie (noO0? no!) and that news.mozilla.org is unusable for me this way (besides it takes extra disk space and bandwith for everyone). So I wondered if someone could do something about that, or whatever. Greets, Stefan P.S.: Don't hesitate to get personal and send your replies to my very own email address -- I doubt if I can read it in the newsgroups (even on a non-sunday :-). From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:31 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Jerry Baker Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: maintaining news.mozilla.org Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 11:21:03 -0800 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 41 Message-ID: <38C2B39F.556F0F1E@weirdness.com> References: <38C2B2A8.5A79A861@SoftHome.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lsanca1-ar3-145-172.dsl.gtei.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.71 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Stefan Rieken wrote: > > Hi folks, > > I am a dialuppie, and it's sunday. This means that I can *NOT* download > more than a few k's in a row. > > I use news.mozilla.org to address this newsgroup, but actually they seem > to be behaving like an archive or something. The first messages that I > was able to look at dated from 1998 - about the start of the Mozilla > project. This particular newsgroup currently contains 16164 messages > (and I haven't been able to check their age). > > My complaint is that I can't use news.mozilla.org at all because I first > have to download all the old and obsolete messages -- and I can not do > that. It's just too much, my browser fails or keeps trying in vain. > > Now all you backbone-trippin' hardcore folks point to me and laugh at > the dialuppie >:-D -- OK, ready? The fact is, that I am not the only > dialuppie (noO0? no!) and that news.mozilla.org is unusable for me this > way (besides it takes extra disk space and bandwith for everyone). > > So I wondered if someone could do something about that, or whatever. > > Greets, > > Stefan > > P.S.: Don't hesitate to get personal and send your replies to my very > own email address -- I doubt if I can read it in the newsgroups (even on > a non-sunday :-). You don't have to download any messages when you subscribe to a group. Netscape asks you how many (as set in Edit -> Prefs -> Mail & Newsgroups -> Newsgroup Servers). -- Jerry Baker PGP Mail Preferred Key: http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x09DE91C6 From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:31 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: "Braden N. McDaniel" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: No subject was specified. Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 14:45:19 -0500 Organization: Endoframe Lines: 15 Message-ID: <38C2B94F.16B1CE59@endoframe.com> References: <38C2B6F4.9060105@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: wa0241.tnt1.awod.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12-20 i686) X-Accept-Language: en Stephen Donner wrote: > > For popups, can we have a javascript dialogue box do this: > > "The site www.cyberradio2000.com is trying to open a new window of > (URL), is this okay?" And then just have the standard Okay or Cancel? So... pop up a window to ask if it's okay to pop up a window? Hm... What's wrong with this picture? -- Braden N. McDaniel braden@endoframe.com From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:31 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Kevin Berkheiser Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: No subject was specified. Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 14:52:26 -0500 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 23 Message-ID: <38C2BAFA.A27AAE79@bigfoot.com> References: <38C2B6F4.9060105@earthlink.net> <38C2B94F.16B1CE59@endoframe.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: client-151-200-117-194.bellatlantic.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en Actually several proposals of this nature are being discussed in the UI newsgroup. There are also several open bugs on this I noticed. Time will tell as to the solution. "Braden N. McDaniel" wrote: > Stephen Donner wrote: > > > > For popups, can we have a javascript dialogue box do this: > > > > "The site www.cyberradio2000.com is trying to open a new window of > > (URL), is this okay?" And then just have the standard Okay or Cancel? > > So... pop up a window to ask if it's okay to pop up a window? > > Hm... What's wrong with this picture? > > -- > Braden N. McDaniel > braden@endoframe.com > From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:31 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Jerry Baker Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: No subject was specified. Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 12:36:27 -0800 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 20 Message-ID: <38C2C54B.3E80C498@weirdness.com> References: <38C2B6F4.9060105@earthlink.net> <38C2B94F.16B1CE59@endoframe.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lsanca1-ar3-145-172.dsl.gtei.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.71 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en "Braden N. McDaniel" wrote: > > So... pop up a window to ask if it's okay to pop up a window? > > Hm... What's wrong with this picture? > > -- > Braden N. McDaniel > braden@endoframe.com > Well it is better than the current situation of pop-up windows. I would rather press "Cancel" a couple times than have a couple windows open and have to close all of them. -- Jerry Baker PGP Mail Preferred Key: http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x09DE91C6 From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:31 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: "Mark Gillespie" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: OK I've compiled M14, what now??? Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 20:44:38 -0000 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 20 Message-ID: <89ugo0$gl61@secnews.netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-1-183-143.btinternet.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 I can run the mozilla.exe executable, but it looks like there are things missing. Do I need to run setup? When I do this, it complains of missing files. Do I have to copy files around from the build tree, and run setup.exe???? There are 2 setup.exe files, they both give errors: The first Error I Get is: Cannot find getconfigini.idi The setup.exe gives: cannot load setuprsc.dll -- From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:31 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: "Jonas Sicking" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Guidelines when confirming bugs Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 22:17:51 +0100 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 64 Message-ID: <89uith$gg41@secnews.netscape.com> References: <89ss0r$9aq1@secnews.netscape.com> <38C2B171.1020607@NOSPAMmath.berkeley.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.247.16.38 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 "Richard Zach" wrote in message news:38C2B171.1020607@NOSPAMmath.berkeley.edu... > > * How should a bugreport be treated? > See http://www.mozilla.org/newlayout/bugathon.html#layerbugs > > You send feedback to the webmaster, mark the bug INVALID, and put > [LAYER] in the whiteboard. CC ekrock@netscape.com for good measure. I know Erik had a page which could be used to notify webmasters about this. Unfortuanly I can't get the page working (My IE don't like the target beeing a mailto: ) It would be nice if we could get such a page up and running that is entierly serverside. I'd be glad to set up a page, but it would be nice if I could get a pointer or two about what to put in the mail. > > * If a simplified testcase is needed should > > this be marked in some way (BugAThon?) ? > Well, make one ;) and then put in the testcase keyword. : ) Why did I ask... > > * Should bugs on top100 sites > > be treated in some special way (mark beta1/2 and top100) and what sites > > are considered top100? > Jan Leger once sent me a list of those, but I lost it. It would be nice > if it were linked from http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/describekeywords.cgi I have a vague memory of beta1 or beta2 should render top100 sites 'correctly', or is my mind playing tricks on me? Why not use www.top100.com as a list? Unfortuanly that site is currenly down. Does anybody know how long it has been down? > > * Is it enough to see that there actually is a > > real bug on the page to mark it NEW, or should we assign it to the > > proper component and leave it UNCONFIRMED? For me it would be nice if we > > could confirm bugs as soon as we know that there really is a real > > problem. That way it is easier to keep track of new UNCONFIRMED bugs and > > give them proper treatment. > In terms of layout bugs, I haven't seen any where it was possible to > confirm there was a bug AND diagnose it enough to assign it to the > correct component without diagnosing it sufficiently to provide a > simplified testcase. I'd say if you can't add enough information to the > bug report to make it clear what the problem is (so that engineers can > decide who owns it, whether it's a duplicate, etc.) then leave it > UNCONFIRMED, so that others can see immedaitely that it needs attention. The problem is that many bugs are not layout related. Many (if not most) are RFE's or bugs on features not implemented yet. How are we supposed to handle these? > > I think a good idea would be to put some of > > these general rules on a page somewhere on the mozilla.org site and link > > to it from the http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/bug_status.html page. -- > > http://www.mozilla.org/newlayout/bugathon.html > has some information. But we obviously need to get more people confirming bugs, the number of UNCONFIRMED bugs increase quite rapidly. So we should providing more detailed information on mozilla.org to help people getting started. / Jonas Sicking From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:31 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Kevin Berkheiser Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: No subject was specified. Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 16:20:18 -0500 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 28 Message-ID: <38C2CF92.D0D74F46@bigfoot.com> References: <38C2B6F4.9060105@earthlink.net> <38C2B94F.16B1CE59@endoframe.com> <89uhul$ge71@secnews.netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: client-151-200-117-194.bellatlantic.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en But if you had a "remember this decition" option on the dialog box like the new cookie boxes do, then even this is now a non-issue. Stephen Donner wrote: > No, a dialogue box is not a window. It's much smaller. > > "Braden N. McDaniel" wrote in message > news:38C2B94F.16B1CE59@endoframe.com... > > Stephen Donner wrote: > > > > > > For popups, can we have a javascript dialogue box do this: > > > > > > "The site www.cyberradio2000.com is trying to open a new window of > > > (URL), is this okay?" And then just have the standard Okay or Cancel? > > > > So... pop up a window to ask if it's okay to pop up a window? > > > > Hm... What's wrong with this picture? > > > > -- > > Braden N. McDaniel > > braden@endoframe.com > > > > > > From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:31 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Kevin Berkheiser Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: OK I've compiled M14, what now??? Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 16:28:03 -0500 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 39 Message-ID: <38C2D163.169A9182@bigfoot.com> References: <89ugo0$gl61@secnews.netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: client-151-200-117-194.bellatlantic.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en Actually, just go to the mozilla\dist\WIN32_O.OBJ\bin and run mozilla.exe. (the path may be slightly different if you built a debug version. The daily builds on the FTP site and the builds you compile yourself do not have an installer (to my knowledge). The Mozilla engineers usually put together their milestone builds into an installer package available for download at their FTP site. However, instead of using thaty they prefere you run the Talkback enabled version because it reports crashes back to the engineers for debuging. I believe the installer really just uncompresses the files to the Program Files\Netscape\SeaMonkey directory and migrates your bookmarks and settings from Netscape 4.x. It does not have an uninstall yet. I don't believe the application is registered with the Windows Registry yet. That will probably not come till Beta 2 or sometime later even. Not really sure what the plans are there. Kevin Berkheiser Mozilla Advocate Mark Gillespie wrote: > I can run the mozilla.exe executable, but it looks like there are things > missing. Do I need to run setup? When I do this, it complains of missing > files. Do I have to copy files around from the build tree, and run > setup.exe???? > > There are 2 setup.exe files, they both give errors: > > The first Error I Get is: > > Cannot find getconfigini.idi > > The setup.exe gives: > > cannot load setuprsc.dll > > -- From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:31 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Richard Zach Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Guidelines when confirming bugs Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 14:19:51 -0800 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 13 Message-ID: <38C2DD87.1090608@NOSPAMmath.berkeley.edu> References: <89ss0r$9aq1@secnews.netscape.com> <38C2B171.1020607@NOSPAMmath.berkeley.edu> <89uith$gg41@secnews.netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-63-194-82-58.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; N; Linux 2.2.11 i586; en-US; m14) X-Accept-Language: en Jonas Sicking wrote: > I know Erik had > a page which could be used to notify webmasters about this. Unfortuanly > I can't get the page working (My IE don't like the target beeing a > mailto: ) It would be nice if we could get such a page up and running > that is entierly serverside. I'd be glad to set up a page, but it would > be nice if I could get a pointer or two about what to put in the mail. Why don't you use a standards-compliant browser, such as Mozilla, to use the feedback page? ;-) Seriously, just send yourself some feedback mails and you know what should be in the emails, or I'll send them to you. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:31 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Daniel Morgan Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: maintaining news.mozilla.org Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 17:30:47 -0500 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 111 Message-ID: <38C2E017.B7F00900@sc.rr.com> References: <38C2B2A8.5A79A861@SoftHome.net> <38C2B39F.556F0F1E@weirdness.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: clt31-203-095.carolina.rr.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------BBBD42AF93C973986D428B60" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en --------------BBBD42AF93C973986D428B60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And actually, when it asks you to download, its only asking you to download the message headers, not the entire message. Jerry Baker wrote: > Stefan Rieken wrote: > > > > Hi folks, > > > > I am a dialuppie, and it's sunday. This means that I can *NOT* download > > more than a few k's in a row. > > > > I use news.mozilla.org to address this newsgroup, but actually they seem > > to be behaving like an archive or something. The first messages that I > > was able to look at dated from 1998 - about the start of the Mozilla > > project. This particular newsgroup currently contains 16164 messages > > (and I haven't been able to check their age). > > > > My complaint is that I can't use news.mozilla.org at all because I first > > have to download all the old and obsolete messages -- and I can not do > > that. It's just too much, my browser fails or keeps trying in vain. > > > > Now all you backbone-trippin' hardcore folks point to me and laugh at > > the dialuppie >:-D -- OK, ready? The fact is, that I am not the only > > dialuppie (noO0? no!) and that news.mozilla.org is unusable for me this > > way (besides it takes extra disk space and bandwith for everyone). > > > > So I wondered if someone could do something about that, or whatever. > > > > Greets, > > > > Stefan > > > > P.S.: Don't hesitate to get personal and send your replies to my very > > own email address -- I doubt if I can read it in the newsgroups (even on > > a non-sunday :-). > > You don't have to download any messages when you subscribe to a group. > Netscape asks you how many (as set in Edit -> Prefs -> Mail & Newsgroups > -> Newsgroup Servers). > > -- > Jerry Baker > > PGP Mail Preferred > Key: http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x09DE91C6 --------------BBBD42AF93C973986D428B60 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And actually, when it asks you to download, its only asking you to download the message headers, not the entire message.

Jerry Baker wrote:

Stefan Rieken wrote:
>
> Hi folks,
>
> I am a dialuppie, and it's sunday. This means that I can *NOT* download
> more than a few k's in a row.
>
> I use news.mozilla.org to address this newsgroup, but actually they seem
> to be behaving like an archive or something. The first messages that I
> was able to look at dated from 1998 - about the start of the Mozilla
> project. This particular newsgroup currently contains 16164 messages
> (and I haven't been able to check their age).
>
> My complaint is that I can't use news.mozilla.org at all because I first
> have to download all the old and obsolete messages -- and I can not do
> that. It's just too much, my browser fails or keeps trying in vain.
>
> Now all you backbone-trippin' hardcore folks point to me and laugh at
> the dialuppie >:-D -- OK, ready? The fact is, that I am not the only
> dialuppie (noO0? no!) and that news.mozilla.org is unusable for me this
> way (besides it takes extra disk space and bandwith for everyone).
>
> So I wondered if someone could do something about that, or whatever.
>
> Greets,
>
> Stefan
>
> P.S.: Don't hesitate to get personal and send your replies to my very
> own email address -- I doubt if I can read it in the newsgroups (even on
> a non-sunday :-).

You don't have to download any messages when you subscribe to a group.
Netscape asks you how many (as set in Edit -> Prefs -> Mail & Newsgroups
-> Newsgroup Servers).

--
Jerry Baker

PGP Mail Preferred
Key: http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x09DE91C6

--------------BBBD42AF93C973986D428B60-- From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:31 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Kevin Berkheiser Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Pre-Beta Standards Compliance Check Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 18:20:17 -0500 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 59 Message-ID: <38C2EBB1.9FE0FE4C@bigfoot.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: client-151-200-117-194.bellatlantic.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------CC8A2A9208E46AD12C274524" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en --------------CC8A2A9208E46AD12C274524 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Now that we are in the last few weeks of pre-beta 1 work, should us non-coders that have the time go through the mozilla bugs and flag all bugs that must be resolved in order for mozilla to be consider HTML 4.01, CSS 1, and DOM 1 compliant as BETA2 items? I know tremendous effort has gone into making the new layout engine standards compliant. I don't think we want to hit beta 2 without resolving any know issues that our primary competators, not to mention the webstandards project and other standards advocates (like myself) could toss at us to claim we did not quite make it. I don't think we should focus on any CSS 2 issues unless that partial support causes problems like in bug 14983. I know that at least a year ago the decision was not to fully support CSS 2 in the first release of Mozilla due to the prioritizaion vs. resources. I think we should accept that decision in favor of shipping a product. We can always add full CSS2 support in Mozilla 6. Now that the codebase is modular, adding features should be quite a bit simpler. I really can't wait for the year when we get two major release of Netscape a year like we did a few years ago:) Anyhow, this is food for thought if nothing else. Kevin Berkheiser --------------CC8A2A9208E46AD12C274524 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Now that we are in the last few weeks of pre-beta 1 work, should us non-coders that have the time go through the mozilla bugs and flag all bugs that must be resolved in order for mozilla to be consider HTML 4.01, CSS 1, and DOM 1 compliant as BETA2 items?

I know tremendous effort has gone into making the new layout engine standards compliant.  I don't think we want to hit beta 2 without resolving any know issues that our primary competators, not to mention the webstandards project and other standards advocates (like myself) could toss at us to claim we did not quite make it.

I don't think we should focus on any CSS 2 issues unless that partial support causes problems like in bug 14983.  I know that at least a year ago the decision was not to fully support CSS 2 in the first release of Mozilla due to the prioritizaion vs. resources.  I think we should accept that decision in favor of shipping a product.  We can always add full CSS2 support in Mozilla 6.  Now that the codebase is modular, adding features should be quite a bit simpler.  I really can't wait for the year when we get two major release of Netscape a year like we did a few years ago:)

Anyhow, this is food for thought if nothing else.

Kevin Berkheiser --------------CC8A2A9208E46AD12C274524-- From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:31 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!gateway From: matty@box.net.au (Matthew Tuck) Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: "Security Zones" in Mozilla? Date: 5 Mar 2000 23:35:18 GMT Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 22 Sender: pookies@pandora.chariot.net.au Message-ID: <38C2EF36.A954D95@box.net.au> References: <38AB0F8D.316FCCCD@abc.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-207-200-73-41.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: mozilla-general@mozilla.org CC: Daggi Elehu Daggi Elehu wrote: > Not sure if this is the right ng, but.. > I was under the impression that Mozilla would have a feature similar to > Zones in IE, where the user can have different cookie, proxy and > security settings for different sites. Is this correct? I just read some > post that seemed to suggest otherwise. Yes and no. There is a feature for site-by-site cookies and Javascript. The cookie one has a front-end and the Javascript one does not yet. I believe they have been written independently and as such don't share much functionality, which will be a problem eventually. See http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7380 for the blue sky. Feel free to add a vote. -- Matthew Tuck: Software Developer & All-Round Nice Guy My experience is that in general, if there's jobs programming in it, it's not worth programming in. Ultra Programming Language Project: http://www.box.net.au/~matty/ultra/ From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:31 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Eugene Savitsky Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: problems with bugzilla? Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 01:38:22 +0200 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 13 Message-ID: <38C2EFEE.FF4E98A6@infonet.ee> NNTP-Posting-Host: ezh.infonet.ee Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: ru,en In UNCONFIRMED bug list ( http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&email1=&emailtype1=substring&emailassigned_to1=1&email2=&emailtype2=substring&emailreporter2=1&bugidtype=include&bug_id=&changedin=&votes=&chfieldfrom=&chfieldto=Now&chfieldvalue=&short_desc=&short_desc_type=substring&long_desc=&long_desc_type=substring&bug_file_loc=&bug_file_loc_type=substring&status_whiteboard=&status_whiteboard_type=substring&keywords=&keywords_type=anywords&field0-0-0=noop&type0-0-0=noop&value0-0-0=&cmdtype=doit&newqueryname=&order=Bug+Number ) open a bug 30497. All is OK and fine. Now try to open next bug - 30531. Opens bug 30531, but the Summary is "No caret/i-beam on 8-bit Linux display", not "libjpeg.so.62 *still* causing errors when attempting ./mozil" like in bug list... Seems there's an error in database... From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:31 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!gateway From: matty@box.net.au (Matthew Tuck) Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: What kind of crap is this??? Date: 5 Mar 2000 23:44:15 GMT Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 17 Sender: pookies@pandora.chariot.net.au Message-ID: <38C2F14F.2C9C49B8@box.net.au> References: <38AB96AE.DF99E983@weirdness.com> <38AC598E.54B8945B@netscape.com> <38AC62D9.B84DC1D2@weirdness.com> <38AC8327.33FE7E22@ucdavis.edu> <38AC8B76.356D9041@qlink.queensu.ca> <38AD8944.26AE18F7@weirdness.com> <38B2CE1A.C046B992@geocast.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-207-200-73-41.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: mozilla-general@mozilla.org CC: Terry Weissman Terry Weissman wrote: > The current setting (which hasn't been widely publicized, because I'm > not sure it won't change) is that three votes are enough to push a vote > from UNCONFIRMED to NEW. We just wanted to make sure that three (or > whatever number we eventually settle on) people have bothered to look at > this bug and agree that it smells like a bug. Why not base it on the number of voters instead of the number of votes? As a matter of fact, why not allow both metrics as Bugzilla columns? -- Matthew Tuck: Software Developer & All-Round Nice Guy My experience is that in general, if there's jobs programming in it, it's not worth programming in. Ultra Programming Language Project: http://www.box.net.au/~matty/ultra/ From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:31 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Jerry Baker Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: problems with bugzilla? Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 15:48:37 -0800 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 26 Message-ID: <38C2F255.3258AE29@weirdness.com> References: <38C2EFEE.FF4E98A6@infonet.ee> NNTP-Posting-Host: lsanca1-ar3-145-172.dsl.gtei.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.71 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Eugene Savitsky wrote: > > In UNCONFIRMED bug list ( > http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&email1=&emailtype1=substring&emailassigned_to1=1&email2=&emailtype2=substring&emailreporter2=1&bugidtype=include&bug_id=&changedin=&votes=&chfieldfrom=&chfieldto=Now&chfieldvalue=&short_desc=&short_desc_type=substring&long_desc=&long_desc_type=substring&bug_file_loc=&bug_file_loc_type=substring&status_whiteboard=&status_whiteboard_type=substring&keywords=&keywords_type=anywords&field0-0-0=noop&type0-0-0=noop&value0-0-0=&cmdtype=doit&newqueryname=&order=Bug+Number > ) > > open a bug 30497. All is OK and fine. > > Now try to open next bug - 30531. > > Opens bug 30531, but the Summary is "No caret/i-beam on 8-bit Linux > display", not "libjpeg.so.62 *still* causing errors when attempting > ./mozil" like in bug list... > > Seems there's an error in database... There are already two bugs filed on this, one marked duplicate: http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30575 http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30466 -- Jerry Baker PGP Mail Preferred Key: http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x09DE91C6 From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:31 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: "Jonas Sicking" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: problems with bugzilla? Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 00:50:52 +0100 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 31 Message-ID: <89ursg$gg42@secnews.netscape.com> References: <38C2EFEE.FF4E98A6@infonet.ee> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.247.16.38 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I've also experienced this problem quite a lot. It seems that bugzilla sometimes miss by one, it shows all the properties of bug 30532 but the database-hit (and the link) is for bug 30531. So it is only the description that is wrong, you are actually sent to the correct bug. / Jonas Sicking "Eugene Savitsky" wrote in message news:38C2EFEE.FF4E98A6@infonet.ee... > In UNCONFIRMED bug list ( > http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&email1=&email type1=substring&emailassigned_to1=1&email2=&emailtype2=substring&emailreport er2=1&bugidtype=include&bug_id=&changedin=&votes=&chfieldfrom=&chfieldto=Now &chfieldvalue=&short_desc=&short_desc_type=substring&long_desc=&long_desc_ty pe=substring&bug_file_loc=&bug_file_loc_type=substring&status_whiteboard=&st atus_whiteboard_type=substring&keywords=&keywords_type=anywords&field0-0-0=n oop&type0-0-0=noop&value0-0-0=&cmdtype=doit&newqueryname=&order=Bug+Number > ) > > open a bug 30497. All is OK and fine. > > Now try to open next bug - 30531. > > Opens bug 30531, but the Summary is "No caret/i-beam on 8-bit Linux > display", not "libjpeg.so.62 *still* causing errors when attempting > ./mozil" like in bug list... > > Seems there's an error in database... From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:31 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Steve Morrison Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Will this affect performance much? Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 19:38:18 -0500 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 48 Message-ID: <38C2FDFA.446E26DD@gte.com> References: <38C2B6F4.9060105@earthlink.net> <38C2B94F.16B1CE59@endoframe.com> <89uhul$ge71@secnews.netscape.com> <38C2CF92.D0D74F46@bigfoot.com> <89ujp7$gh81@secnews.netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bsg-ma1d-50.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i586) X-Accept-Language: en This has already been gone over and over again: http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=858 -Steve Stephen Donner wrote: > > Is performance or bootup of Mozilla going to take even more of a hit for > this though? I can just imagine the size of Mozilla's cache directory once > we get all of this implemented. > We've already got cache for content, history files, cache for passwords in > mail/news and cache for form passwords. > > "Kevin Berkheiser" wrote in message > news:38C2CF92.D0D74F46@bigfoot.com... > > But if you had a "remember this decition" option on the dialog box like > the > > new cookie boxes do, then even this is now a non-issue. > > > > > > Stephen Donner wrote: > > > > > No, a dialogue box is not a window. It's much smaller. > > > > > > "Braden N. McDaniel" wrote in message > > > news:38C2B94F.16B1CE59@endoframe.com... > > > > Stephen Donner wrote: > > > > > > > > > > For popups, can we have a javascript dialogue box do this: > > > > > > > > > > "The site www.cyberradio2000.com is trying to open a new window of > > > > > (URL), is this okay?" And then just have the standard Okay or > Cancel? > > > > > > > > So... pop up a window to ask if it's okay to pop up a window? > > > > > > > > Hm... What's wrong with this picture? > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Braden N. McDaniel > > > > braden@endoframe.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:31 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: "Jonas Sicking" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Pre-Beta Standards Compliance Check Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 02:51:36 +0100 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 63 Message-ID: <89v2vc$ise1@secnews.netscape.com> References: <38C2EBB1.9FE0FE4C@bigfoot.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.247.16.38 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 We need some official statement for what is going to be included in mozilla and what is not. I don't want to go down too hard on you guys since you are doing an absolutely fabulous job with gecko. But it is just not good enough to say "No CSS2 support is committed for final release". Does that mean that you won't fix any CSS2 bugs? I know that is not the case since you have fixed lots of them already and there are still many in bugzilla. And it would be a terrible loss to just say that "we won't promise any CSS2 works, use it at your own risk" since you have done so much CSS2 that is working (almost) perfectly. So sooner or later you have to decide what to support and what not. I can understand wanting to put of such a decision since promising anything means risking promising too much or too little, but isn't the Don't get me wrong here, I'm not asking for more CSS2 features, I just want to know which once we can count on working. Once we know that something is supposed to work in mozilla we can start writing testcases and work towards getting that working just as good as CSS1 will. As it seems now it doesn't seem like you are too far away from having chapters 5, 6, 10, 14, 15 and 17 100% done (except bugs) as well as big parts of 8, 9, 11, 12 and 16. Same goes for DOM2. Why not claim DOM2 events working? Aren't you already there? As for CSS3, it is not nearly getting finished in any area so it is actually impossible to claim any conformance since there is nothing to conform to. I'm not asking for more features here, that's entirely up to you guys that are actually doing the stuff. But for me as a developer it is more valuable to have 1 thing "working and bugtested" than 5 thing that "we'll leave in there". Also If we know which parts of CSS2 to test then we are more likely to find the bugs that exists there. / Jonas Sicking "Kevin Berkheiser" wrote in message news:38C2EBB1.9FE0FE4C@bigfoot.com... > Now that we are in the last few weeks of pre-beta 1 work, should us > non-coders that have the time go through the mozilla bugs and flag all > bugs that must be resolved in order for mozilla to be consider HTML > 4.01, CSS 1, and DOM 1 compliant as BETA2 items? > > I know tremendous effort has gone into making the new layout engine > standards compliant. I don't think we want to hit beta 2 without > resolving any know issues that our primary competators, not to mention > the webstandards project and other standards advocates (like myself) > could toss at us to claim we did not quite make it. > > I don't think we should focus on any CSS 2 issues unless that partial > support causes problems like in bug 14983. I know that at least a year > ago the decision was not to fully support CSS 2 in the first release of > Mozilla due to the prioritizaion vs. resources. I think we should > accept that decision in favor of shipping a product. We can always add > full CSS2 support in Mozilla 6. Now that the codebase is modular, > adding features should be quite a bit simpler. I really can't wait for > the year when we get two major release of Netscape a year like we did a > few years ago:) > > Anyhow, this is food for thought if nothing else. > > Kevin Berkheiser > From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:31 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: "mooky" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: This bug before beta! Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 19:05:03 -0700 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 28 Message-ID: <89v40j$irt1@secnews.netscape.com> References: <38C2D9DF.3070201@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.65.197.56.ab.wave.home.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I believe the procedure is to find the associated correct bug (or create one if none exists) put: beta1 in the keyword area after logging into bugzilla. You can also add a comment on why you think its PDT+ worthy for beta1. This will alert the PDT team when they do a database search, and will then review the bug for PDT+ inclusion worthiness. -- * Have you made money surfing the web today? * * I did, on January 7, 2000, a $37.64 cheque. * * http://www.alladvantage.com/joinsecure.asp?refid=bot753 * "Stephen Donner" wrote in message news:38C2D9DF.3070201@earthlink.net... > Whatever layout/rendering/javascript bug that won't let > http://tvguide.netscape.com update the results of a TV guide query needs > to be fixed. > > I'm pretty sure there's at least 10 different bugzilla files for this > bug, but it really needs to get hammered before beta1. > > Stephen > > From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:31 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Bob Crawford Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.mozilla.jseng Subject: New javascript error dialog - BAD! Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 20:46:46 -0600 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 74 Message-ID: <38C31C16.956685FE@io.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cs9351-169.austin.rr.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------0D54AFEE52D9279B08E30624" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.general:16921 netscape.public.mozilla.jseng:1385 --------------0D54AFEE52D9279B08E30624 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I saw this for the first time in build 2000030416: 1- My site (slow server) dropped my .js file, so a javascript procedure was not availablewhen needed. Things happen. 2- However, the following alert appeared: "This error may indicate that the site has not been updated for Mozilla. Please contact the site administrator, or see http://developer.netscape.com/mozilla" This is the wrong thing to say, and positions Mozilla as a "Problem Child." This will almost certainly result in misunderstandings and confusion, and will not cause developers to rush to support Mozilla. The alert should say that there was an error loading the javascript for the page, rather than attacking the site's designers. (Note - if a site does not take Moz into account, it is MOST likely to manifest in bad browser-sniffing, which will not be caught by said trap.) (By The Way... what ever happened to the javascript console?? We need this...) Also, on caching... Once build 2000030416 cannot load a .js or .css, they stay missing, refusing to reload even though the files ARE available, and corrupting display of pages which previously used them. 2000030113 did not exhibit this behaviour. --------------0D54AFEE52D9279B08E30624 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I saw this for the first time in build 2000030416:
1- My site (slow server) dropped my .js file, so a javascript procedure was not availablewhen needed. Things happen.

2- However, the following alert appeared:

"This error may indicate that the site has not been updated for Mozilla. Please contact the site administrator, or see http://developer.netscape.com/mozilla"
      This is the wrong thing to say, and positions Mozilla as a "Problem Child."
      This will almost certainly result in misunderstandings and confusion, and will not cause developers to rush to support Mozilla.
      The alert should say that there was an error loading the javascript for the page, rather than attacking the site's designers.
(Note - if a site does not take Moz into account, it is MOST likely to manifest in bad browser-sniffing, which will not be caught by said trap.)
(By The Way... what ever happened to the javascript console?? We need this...)

Also, on caching...
Once build 2000030416 cannot load a .js or .css, they stay missing, refusing to reload even though the files ARE available, and corrupting display of pages which previously used them.
2000030113 did not exhibit this behaviour.
 
 
  --------------0D54AFEE52D9279B08E30624-- From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:31 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: John Bandhauer Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.mozilla.jseng Subject: Re: New javascript error dialog - BAD! Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 19:07:15 -0800 Organization: minions of mozilla Lines: 56 Message-ID: <38C320E3.4EE546A2@netscape.com> References: <38C31C16.956685FE@io.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-205-217-243-23.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.general:16922 netscape.public.mozilla.jseng:1386 Bob Crawford wrote: > > I saw this for the first time in build 2000030416: > 1- My site (slow server) dropped my .js file, so a javascript > procedure was not availablewhen needed. Things happen. > > 2- However, the following alert appeared: > > "This error may indicate that the site has > not been updated for Mozilla. Please > contact the site administrator, or see > http://developer.netscape.com/mozilla" > > This is the wrong thing to say, and positions Mozilla as > a "Problem Child." > This will almost certainly result in misunderstandings > and confusion, and will not cause developers to rush to support > Mozilla. > The alert should say that there was an error loading the > javascript for the page, rather than attacking the site's > designers. > (Note - if a site does not take Moz into account, it is MOST > likely to manifest in bad browser-sniffing, which will not be > caught by said trap.) I disagree. Failure to load a .js file is an unusual edge case. The more likely causes of JS errors are from JS code that won't compile or run in mozilla. And the most likely cause of that is (as you suggest) bad sniffing. I'd bet most problems will be in pages that get served with 'document.all' or with references to 'layer'. These are exactly the cases where we'd like people to know that the maintainers of the site they are looking at should be urged to update for compatibility with mozilla. Otherwise people are most likely to blame mozilla for not properly rendering the site. We are trying to preempt a lot of misdirected bug reports and avoid the general perception that mozilla is at fault. > (By The Way... what ever happened to the javascript console?? > We need this...) It is on its way. It is not going to make it into beta1. John. > > Also, on caching... > Once build 2000030416 cannot load a .js or .css, they stay > missing, refusing to reload even though the files ARE > available, and corrupting display of pages which previously > used them. > 2000030113 did not exhibit this behaviour. > > > From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:31 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!gateway From: chofmann@netscape.com (Chris Hofmann) Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.jseng,netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: New javascript error dialog - BAD! Date: 6 Mar 2000 03:15:23 GMT Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 82 Message-ID: <38C322CB.45286639@netscape.com> References: <38C31C16.956685FE@io.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-207-200-73-41.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------96E29DF9C8654A14DDF5BFE7" To: Bob Crawford CC: mozilla-general@mozilla.org, mozilla-jseng@mozilla.org Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.jseng:1387 netscape.public.mozilla.general:16923 --------------96E29DF9C8654A14DDF5BFE7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit follow up to bug. http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30547 chris h. Bob Crawford wrote: > I saw this for the first time in build 2000030416: > 1- My site (slow server) dropped my .js file, so a javascript procedure was not availablewhen needed. Things happen. > > 2- However, the following alert appeared: > > "This error may indicate that the site has not been updated for Mozilla. Please contact the site > administrator, or see http://developer.netscape.com/mozilla" > > This is the wrong thing to say, and positions Mozilla as a "Problem Child." > This will almost certainly result in misunderstandings and confusion, and will not cause developers to rush to > support Mozilla. > The alert should say that there was an error loading the javascript for the page, rather than attacking the > site's designers. > (Note - if a site does not take Moz into account, it is MOST likely to manifest in bad browser-sniffing, which will > not be caught by said trap.) > (By The Way... what ever happened to the javascript console?? We need this...) > > Also, on caching... > Once build 2000030416 cannot load a .js or .css, they stay missing, refusing to reload even though the files ARE > available, and corrupting display of pages which previously used them. > 2000030113 did not exhibit this behaviour. > > > --------------96E29DF9C8654A14DDF5BFE7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  
follow up to bug.
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30547

chris h.

Bob Crawford wrote:

I saw this for the first time in build 2000030416:
1- My site (slow server) dropped my .js file, so a javascript procedure was not availablewhen needed. Things happen.

2- However, the following alert appeared:

"This error may indicate that the site has not been updated for Mozilla. Please contact the site administrator, or see http://developer.netscape.com/mozilla"
      This is the wrong thing to say, and positions Mozilla as a "Problem Child."
      This will almost certainly result in misunderstandings and confusion, and will not cause developers to rush to support Mozilla.
      The alert should say that there was an error loading the javascript for the page, rather than attacking the site's designers.
(Note - if a site does not take Moz into account, it is MOST likely to manifest in bad browser-sniffing, which will not be caught by said trap.)
(By The Way... what ever happened to the javascript console?? We need this...)

Also, on caching...
Once build 2000030416 cannot load a .js or .css, they stay missing, refusing to reload even though the files ARE available, and corrupting display of pages which previously used them.
2000030113 did not exhibit this behaviour.
 
 
 

--------------96E29DF9C8654A14DDF5BFE7-- From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:31 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: John Bandhauer Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.mozilla.jseng Subject: Re: New javascript error dialog - BAD! Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 19:36:41 -0800 Organization: minions of mozilla Lines: 12 Message-ID: <38C327C9.69DA5B46@netscape.com> References: <38C31C16.956685FE@io.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-205-217-243-23.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.general:16924 netscape.public.mozilla.jseng:1388 Bob Crawford wrote: > Also, on caching... > Once build 2000030416 cannot load a .js or .css, they stay > missing, refusing to reload even though the files ARE > available, and corrupting display of pages which previously > used them. > 2000030113 did not exhibit this behaviour. Is there a bug filed on this? Anyone? John. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:31 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Bob Crawford Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.mozilla.jseng Subject: Re: New javascript error dialog - BAD! Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 21:58:07 -0600 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 215 Message-ID: <38C32CCF.92AEAB49@io.com> References: <38C31C16.956685FE@io.com> <38C320E3.4EE546A2@netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cs9351-169.austin.rr.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------1A5AC1602B430BA736D3DAA4" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf To: John Bandhauer Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.general:16925 netscape.public.mozilla.jseng:1389 --------------1A5AC1602B430BA736D3DAA4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Bandhauer wrote: > Bob Crawford wrote: > > > > I saw this for the first time in build 2000030416: > > 1- My site (slow server) dropped my .js file, so a javascript > > procedure was not available when needed. Things happen. > > > > 2- However, the following alert appeared: > > > > "This error may indicate that the site has > > not been updated for Mozilla. Please > > contact the site administrator, or see > > http://developer.netscape.com/mozilla" > > > > This is the wrong thing to say, and positions Mozilla as > > a "Problem Child." > > This will almost certainly result in misunderstandings > > and confusion, and will not cause developers to rush to support > > Mozilla. > > The alert should say that there was an error loading the > > javascript for the page, rather than attacking the site's > > designers. > > (Note - if a site does not take Moz into account, it is MOST > > likely to manifest in bad browser-sniffing, which will not be > > caught by said trap.) > > I disagree. Failure to load a .js file is an unusual edge case. I would not say that. The net is a tempermental beastie and it is not at all unusual for a file to temporarily go -missing-. I would not refer to this as an "unusual edge case." The net is supposed to be fault tolerant - you must PLAN a safe failsafe if a needed file fails. A missing '.css' just renders like crap without the need to pop an alert box. It might actually be cool if an alert popped up stating "SOME STYLE DEFINITIONS WERE UNABLE TO BE LOAD, THIS DOCUMENT MAY NOT DISPLAY CORRECTLY" or some such... > The more likely causes of JS errors are from JS code that won't > compile or run in mozilla. And the most likely cause of that is > (as you suggest) bad sniffing. I Disagree - the MOST likely cause is simply buggy code, or missing files (or crreped-out files due to dropped packets...).. there IS a lot of it about... What I meant to suggest above is that the most common manner in which a site will fail to accomodate Moz is this: Bad browser detection. Much bad browser detection will make it through the interpreter just fine (Version string checking, which is the most common method of browser detection used.) This may NOT cause the dreaded calls to .all or .layers, but simply result in a dumbed-down page or a "this browser not supported page." I would might welcome an alert which triggered specifically on calls to .all or .layers, but to trigger it for every Javascript error (or every nonexistant function) would be uncalled for, misleading, and annoying.. Also, it might be better to point out that the site does not support the W3C spec, rather than the particular browser... put the 'blame' clearly on non-standard-compliant web-coders, rather than some pain-in-the-butt browser which must be specifically accomodated (this is what this next-level stuff is supposed to obviate...). > I'd bet most problems will be in > pages that get served with 'document.all' or with references to > 'layer'. These are exactly the cases where we'd like people to > know that the maintainers of the site they are looking at should > be urged to update for compatibility with mozilla. See above - what should be emphasized is that the sites need to comply to the W3C STANDARDS, not an upstart-browser. The perception that Moz is a problem which must be specifically coded for will put a stake through this thing's heart faster than you can say "ouch!" > Otherwise > people are most likely to blame mozilla for not properly > rendering the site. We are trying to preempt a lot of misdirected > bug reports and avoid the general perception that mozilla is at > fault. I certainly agree on many, many points.. see http://www.w3cdom.com/detect.html > > (By The Way... what ever happened to the javascript console?? > > We need this...) > It is on its way. It is not going to make it into beta1. Sigh.. I'll try to be patient! > John. -------- Bob Crawford - crawdad@io.com Disclaimer: The above comment is in no way intended to be mean or nasty. Sometimes enthusiasm for one's viewpoint is confused with rancor. This is not intended, please do not flame. --------------1A5AC1602B430BA736D3DAA4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Bandhauer wrote:
Bob Crawford wrote:
>
> I saw this for the first time in build 2000030416:
> 1- My site (slow server) dropped my .js file, so a javascript
> procedure was not available when needed. Things happen.
>
> 2- However, the following alert appeared:
>
>           "This error may indicate that the site has
>           not been updated for Mozilla. Please
>           contact the site administrator, or see
>           http://developer.netscape.com/mozilla"
>
>       This is the wrong thing to say, and positions Mozilla as
> a "Problem Child."
>       This will almost certainly result in misunderstandings
> and confusion, and will not cause developers to rush to support
> Mozilla.
>       The alert should say that there was an error loading the
> javascript for the page, rather than attacking the site's
> designers.
> (Note - if a site does not take Moz into account, it is MOST
> likely to manifest in bad browser-sniffing, which will not be
> caught by said trap.)

I disagree. Failure to load a .js file is an unusual edge case.

     I would not say that. The net is a tempermental beastie and it is not at all unusual for a file to temporarily go -missing-. I would not refer to this as an "unusual edge case."
     The net is supposed to be fault tolerant - you must PLAN a safe failsafe if a needed file fails.
     A missing '.css' just renders like crap without the need to pop an alert box. It might actually be cool if an alert popped up stating "SOME STYLE DEFINITIONS WERE UNABLE TO BE LOAD, THIS DOCUMENT MAY NOT DISPLAY CORRECTLY" or some such...
 
 
The more likely causes of JS errors are from JS code that won't
compile or run in mozilla. And the most likely cause of that is
(as you suggest) bad sniffing.
     I Disagree - the MOST likely cause is simply buggy code, or missing files (or crreped-out files due to dropped packets...).. there IS a lot of it about...
    What I meant to suggest above is that the most common manner in which a site will fail to accomodate Moz is this: Bad browser detection.
    Much bad browser detection will make it through the interpreter just fine (Version string checking, which is the most common method of browser detection used.) This may NOT cause the dreaded calls to .all or .layers, but simply result in a dumbed-down page or a "this browser not supported page."

    I would might welcome an alert which triggered specifically on calls to .all or .layers, but to trigger it for every Javascript error (or every nonexistant function) would be uncalled for, misleading, and annoying..

    Also, it might be better to point out that the site does not support the W3C spec, rather than the particular browser... put the 'blame' clearly on non-standard-compliant web-coders, rather than some pain-in-the-butt browser which must be specifically accomodated (this is what this next-level stuff is supposed to obviate...).
 

I'd bet most problems will be in
pages that get served with 'document.all' or with references to
'layer'. These are exactly the cases where we'd like people to
know that the maintainers of the site they are looking at should
be urged to update for compatibility with mozilla.
See above - what should be emphasized is that the sites need to comply to the W3C STANDARDS, not an upstart-browser. The perception that Moz is a problem which must be specifically coded for will put a stake through this thing's heart faster than you can say "ouch!"
Otherwise
people are most likely to blame mozilla for not properly
rendering the site. We are trying to preempt a lot of misdirected
bug reports and avoid the general perception that mozilla is at
fault.
I certainly agree on many, many points.. see http://www.w3cdom.com/detect.html
> (By The Way... what ever happened to the javascript console??
> We need this...)
It is on its way. It is not going to make it into beta1.
Sigh.. I'll try to be patient! 
John.
--------
Bob Crawford - crawdad@io.com
Disclaimer: The above comment is in no way intended to be mean or nasty. Sometimes enthusiasm for one's viewpoint is confused with rancor. This is not intended, please do not flame.
 
  --------------1A5AC1602B430BA736D3DAA4-- From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:31 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Xaver Dubler Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 00:00:59 -0500 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 27 Message-ID: <38C33B8B.EA5BB1A1@SPAMarcmedia.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-216-158-26-19.cust.oldcity.dca.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,ja does mozilla support external js files? (i.e. ) after crashing 2000030508 with a more complicated js file (using document.write inside a .js. i think the document.write("") caused the crash, not sure though) i created a simple case with (function test() and function statusMessage(message) are in the js) showed JavaScript:doIt() in the status bar and onClick nothing happend at all. what are the limitations when using js files? are these problems going to be solved or is this a 'not working because it's not W3C compliant' situation? (or is my javascript messed up? these are my first tests in javascript and only because it works in NN and IE doesn't neceserally mean it's good javascript) thanks for your feedback xaver -- FreeBSD is like a Wigwam. No Windows, no Gates, and an Apache inside. This email was sent: 11:48 PM EST 5 March 2000 From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:31 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Brian King Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.xpinstall,netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.mozilla.layout Subject: nsApprunner Start-up query... Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 21:14:19 -0800 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 15 Message-ID: <38C33EAB.B7A0F0B7@clubi.ie> NNTP-Posting-Host: whiskey.medianet.ie Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.xpinstall:39 netscape.public.mozilla.general:16905 netscape.public.mozilla.layout:6863 I have a query about the various swiches used to start up Mozilla (-edit for Ender, -mail for Messenger...). These used to be all handled in nsApprunner, but sometime recently seemed to have been stripped out and replaced with a different implemenation. Would it be possible to get a brief summary of what goes on now during start-up. Where is the parameter checking occuring, and what function are they passed to, to launch the application. I was thinking particularly about the editor. Is this now handled in nsEditorService.cpp? Is it possible to add your own component, using a different comand line switch (e.g. '-myapp') and pass chrome URL to start up with? -Brian From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:31 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Eric Krock Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Guidelines when confirming bugs, and list of top 100 sites Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 22:53:35 -0800 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 191 Message-ID: <38C355EF.494CDE9F@netscape.com> References: <89ss0r$9aq1@secnews.netscape.com> <38C2B171.1020607@NOSPAMmath.berkeley.edu> <89uith$gg41@secnews.netscape.com> <38C2DD87.1090608@NOSPAMmath.berkeley.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-206-222-244-233.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-NSCP (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en CC: elig@netscape.com - Have emailed Jonas the boilerplate text. - Would *love* it if Jonas or somebody else would set these up as totally server-side templates and maintain; we'd happily link to those templates, wherever they might be, from developer.netscape.com and elsewhere so long as the text remained something reasonable (and the site didn't turn into an adult site or something ;-> ); I'm quite swamped and would be grateful for the help. - Re: whether bug analyzers should explicitly indicate that a given bug needs a simplified testcase: actually, the idea is that all bugs are assumed to need a simplified test case unless someone explicitly indicates it's not needed; the way to indicate that is to mark the donttest keyword in the keyword field (and Christine or I need to update the bugathon page to get it moved over to the new keyword system). If a bug needs special help of some kind, you can tag with the helpwanted keyword. - See http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/describekeywords.cgi for info about tagging with keywords Answers to other Qs: * How should a bug about feature that is not yet implemented in mozilla but probably will (XSLT, DOM-events, CSS2) be treated? You could assign to the right component (Style System for CSS2, DOM0 / DOM 1 / DOM 2 for DOM, etc.) and mark it with severity enhancement. * What should we do with a RFE? mark it with severity enhancement * Should bugs on top100 sites be treated in some special way (mark beta1/2 and top100) and what sites are considered top100? You can mark these with the top100 keyword. Note that just because a top100 home page has a bug doesn't necessarily mean that the bug is a beta1 stopper. But if you think it *might* be a beta1 stopper, feel free to tag it beta1 for evaluation by the PDT team. * Is it enough to see that there actually is a real bug on the page to mark it NEW, or should we assign it to the proper component and leave it UNCONFIRMED? If you confirm that the problem is real and correctly described, definitely move it from UNCONFIRMED to new, because that's useful information even if you're not sure of the component. Making your best guess at assigning it to the right component would be good too. > * How should a layer bugreport be treated? See http://www.mozilla.org/newlayout/bugathon.html#layerbugs You send feedback to the webmaster, mark the bug INVALID, and put [LAYER] in the whiteboard. CC ekrock@netscape.com for good measure. Actually, [LAYER] should go in the Summary (since it describes the nature of the bug) rather than Status (because it doesn't actually describe the current state of the bug. Typo in my !@#$% directions *blush*. I'll try to fix that tomorrow--sorry! Also, if you've tagged it in that way, you don't need to cc: me as I can always go back and find these things if they've been tagged (from now on I'll search for [LAYER] in either Summary or Status to be safe). * a list of the official "top 100" sites I could'a sworn that QA had posted this on the mozilla site, but I can't find it. For now, I've pasted it inline below. You've asked a set of great questions. It would be great if we could update the bug writing guidelines or bug handling instructions somewhere to capture this info. Maybe we need a "how to help analyze existing bug reports" page distinct from the new bug writing guidelines? or just to add this info to the bugathon page? Not sure. cc:ing elig for his thoughts. You guys are great. 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Get the latest info at http://developer.netscape.com/viewsource/krock_v5.html Hints on upgrading web pages to support W3C standards: http://sites.netscape.net/ekrock/standards.html Have a question? Before you email me, first please check http://sites.netscape.com/ekrock/answers.html From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:31 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Jerry Baker Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.mozilla.jseng Subject: Re: New javascript error dialog - BAD! Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 23:05:43 -0800 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 13 Message-ID: <38C358C7.45D99FC3@weirdness.com> References: <38C31C16.956685FE@io.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lsanca1-ar3-147-141.dsl.gtei.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.71 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.general:16929 netscape.public.mozilla.jseng:1391 Bob Crawford wrote: > > I saw this for the first time in build 2000030416: > 1- My site (slow server) dropped my .js file, so a javascript > procedure was not availablewhen needed. Things happen. I have even seen this on Mozilla.org occasionally. Heh -- Jerry Baker PGP Mail Preferred Key: http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x09DE91C6 From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:31 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Eric Krock Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 23:06:53 -0800 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 76 Message-ID: <38C3590D.1D4DF3B1@netscape.com> References: <38C33B8B.EA5BB1A1@SPAMarcmedia.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-206-222-244-233.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-NSCP (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: Xaver Dubler Xaver Dubler wrote: > does mozilla support external js files? (i.e. ) Sure as heck should. Does in my experience. Please open a bug report if it seems not to. > after crashing 2000030508 with a more complicated js file (using > document.write inside a .js. i think the document.write("") caused the crash, not sure though) If you can reproduce the crash, please open a bug report on it and tag with the crash keyword and move to NEW. > i created a > simple case with > (function test() and function > statusMessage(message) are in the js) showed JavaScript:doIt() in the > status bar and onClick nothing happend at all. I think the problem here is that javascript: URLs aren't yet implemented--or if they were just turned on, maybe there's a bug with them. Please do a query with "javascript:" in the Summary and see if it's a DUP of one of those; if not or you're not sure, please file a bug report with your testcase. BTW, probably irrelevant but javascript: needn't be capitalized. > what are the limitations when using js files? Shouldn't be any. > are these problems going to be solved Any issues here should be reported and should be resolved. This is a critical backward compatibility issue if it's real. > or is this a 'not working because > it's not W3C compliant' situation? doesn't appear to be. Thanks for your help!!! > (or is my javascript messed up? these are my first tests in javascript > and only because it works in NN and IE doesn't neceserally mean it's > good javascript) > > thanks for your feedback > xaver > > -- > FreeBSD is like a Wigwam. No Windows, no Gates, and an Apache inside. > This email was sent: > 11:48 PM EST 5 March 2000 -- What have *YOU* done for web standards today? http://www.mozilla.org/newlayout/bugathon.html Are your JavaScript and CGIs ready for Nav5, IE5, and HTTP 1.1 CONTENT_TYPE? Get the latest info at http://developer.netscape.com/viewsource/krock_v5.html Hints on upgrading web pages to support W3C standards: http://sites.netscape.net/ekrock/standards.html Have a question? Before you email me, first please check http://sites.netscape.com/ekrock/answers.html From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:31 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Daniel Veditz Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: No subject was specified. Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 23:22:24 -0800 Organization: Speaking only for myself Lines: 24 Message-ID: <38C35CB0.358B5199@netscape.com> References: <38C2B6F4.9060105@earthlink.net> <38C2B94F.16B1CE59@endoframe.com> <38C2C54B.3E80C498@weirdness.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-205-217-240-53.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Jerry Baker wrote: > > "Braden N. McDaniel" wrote: > > > > So... pop up a window to ask if it's okay to pop up a window? > > > > Hm... What's wrong with this picture? > > > > -- > > Braden N. McDaniel > > braden@endoframe.com > > > > Well it is better than the current situation of pop-up windows. I would > rather press "Cancel" a couple times than have a couple windows open and > have to close all of them. You can, of course, simply disallow window.open() from any or all sites. See http://www.mozilla.org/projects/security/components/configPolicy.html (there is no UI for this "power user" feature, but hopefully someone will figure that out one of these days.) -Dan Veditz From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:31 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Daniel Veditz Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.xpinstall,netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.mozilla.layout Subject: Re: nsApprunner Start-up query... Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 23:37:47 -0800 Organization: Speaking only for myself Lines: 25 Message-ID: <38C3604B.EE2A3328@netscape.com> References: <38C33EAB.B7A0F0B7@clubi.ie> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-205-217-240-53.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.xpinstall:40 netscape.public.mozilla.general:16932 netscape.public.mozilla.layout:6867 Brian King wrote: > > I have a query about the various swiches used to start up Mozilla (-edit > for Ender, -mail for Messenger...). These used to be all handled in > nsApprunner, but sometime recently seemed to have been stripped out and > replaced with a different implemenation. > > Would it be possible to get a brief summary of what goes on now during > start-up. Where is the parameter checking occuring, and what function > are they passed to, to launch the application. I was thinking > particularly about the editor. Is this now handled in > nsEditorService.cpp? > > Is it possible to add your own component, using a different comand line > switch (e.g. '-myapp') and pass chrome URL to start up with? Components can use the newish nsCategoryManager to register themselves as a command-line handler. I don't know where this is documented though. You can use the "regExport" utility to dump the registry and see what kind of category data is in there already. Alternatively, if you register your component as an AppShellComponent you get handed a nsICmdLineService in the Initialize() call. -Dan Veditz From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:31 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Jerry Baker Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: No subject was specified. Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 00:46:02 -0800 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 36 Message-ID: <38C3704A.FC432EF7@weirdness.com> References: <38C2B6F4.9060105@earthlink.net> <38C2B94F.16B1CE59@endoframe.com> <38C2C54B.3E80C498@weirdness.com> <38C35CB0.358B5199@netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lsanca1-ar3-147-141.dsl.gtei.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.71 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Daniel Veditz wrote: > > Jerry Baker wrote: > > > > "Braden N. McDaniel" wrote: > > > > > > So... pop up a window to ask if it's okay to pop up a window? > > > > > > Hm... What's wrong with this picture? > > > > > > -- > > > Braden N. McDaniel > > > braden@endoframe.com > > > > > > > Well it is better than the current situation of pop-up windows. I would > > rather press "Cancel" a couple times than have a couple windows open and > > have to close all of them. > > You can, of course, simply disallow window.open() from any or all sites. > See http://www.mozilla.org/projects/security/components/configPolicy.html > > (there is no UI for this "power user" feature, but hopefully someone will > figure that out one of these days.) > > -Dan Veditz That is extremely cool. Now where do we get to work on being able to globally allow onClick, onmousedown, onmouseup, etc. window.open(), but disallow onload, onmouseover, onblur, etc.? ;-) -- Jerry Baker PGP Mail Preferred Key: http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x09DE91C6 From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:31 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!skynet.be!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!warm.news.pipex.net!pipex!logica.co.uk!usenet From: "Ferruccio Fossati" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.mozilla.java,netscape.public.mozilla.os2 Subject: iMac and netscape error Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 09:50:21 +0100 Organization: Logica UK Ltd. Lines: 25 Message-ID: <89vrgm$pbo@romeo.logica.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 158.234.138.131 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.general:16934 netscape.public.mozilla.java:6981 netscape.public.mozilla.os2:1978 Dear Collegues, I have a problem: The application I am developing has to run on multiple platforms. Especially on iMac browsers. Unfortunatly the application runs fine, on my IBM-compatible PC browser IE 4.0 and I' happy when I test it but when I tes it on my imac browsers Netscape Communicator 4.72. Netscape gives me an error when pages have applets on it: ERROR: Applet.com.sssw.rt.application.AgsGeneric can't start: error: java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError:com/sssw/rt/application/AgsSubprogram at java.lang.ClassLoader.defineClass(compiled code) at netscape.applet.AppletClassLoader.findClass(compiled code) at ..... .... I tried to set all the rights, preferences, accept java applets and Java Scripts but i can't see what else to do. Thank you in advance for your help. Ferro. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:31 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Colin Stewart Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.mozilla.jseng Subject: Re: New javascript error dialog - BAD! Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 11:57:53 +0000 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 21 Message-ID: <38C39D41.81470ADA@logica.com> References: <38C31C16.956685FE@io.com> <38C358C7.45D99FC3@weirdness.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 158.234.70.235 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en-gb] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.general:16937 netscape.public.mozilla.jseng:1392 Jerry Baker wrote: > Bob Crawford wrote: > > > > I saw this for the first time in build 2000030416: > > 1- My site (slow server) dropped my .js file, so a javascript > > procedure was not availablewhen needed. Things happen. > > I have even seen this on Mozilla.org occasionally. Heh Using build 2000030516 (win95) I find that this dialog is being brought up several times for each page, and then crashing the browser. This happens on our intranet site, and also on http://www.ft.com. Having the dialog appear once per domain (ever *not* each time you visit the thing!) might be a better solution... Colin. -- All opinions expressed are solely those of the author and not of Logica From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:31 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!unlisys!news.snafu.de!fu-berlin.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.icl.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: dkh Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Viewer component Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 12:22:07 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 12 Message-ID: <8a07td$k35$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.252.28.4 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Mar 06 12:22:07 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95; Aim Package version 1.07.8) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x27.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.252.28.4 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDdalekh Has anyone put together an HTML viewer component using Mozilla sources? I would like to put together a Win32 app using an browser component, but am looking for a component that can support a lot of the stuff in IE/Netscape, such as Javascript. Any suggestions welcome. Please email a copy of any replies also. thanks, d.k. henderson Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:31 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Lemming Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.mozilla.jseng Subject: Re: New javascript error dialog - BAD! Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 12:44:47 +0000 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 32 Message-ID: <38C3A83F.A538A410@lemnet.com> References: <38C31C16.956685FE@io.com> <38C358C7.45D99FC3@weirdness.com> <38C39D41.81470ADA@logica.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: usr1272-kno.cableinet.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.general:16939 netscape.public.mozilla.jseng:1393 Colin Stewart wrote: > Jerry Baker wrote: > > > Bob Crawford wrote: > > > > > > I saw this for the first time in build 2000030416: > > > 1- My site (slow server) dropped my .js file, so a javascript > > > procedure was not availablewhen needed. Things happen. > > > > I have even seen this on Mozilla.org occasionally. Heh > > Using build 2000030516 (win95) I find that this dialog is being brought > up several times for each page, and then crashing the browser. This > happens on our intranet site, and also on http://www.ft.com. > > Having the dialog appear once per domain (ever *not* each time you visit > the thing!) might be a better solution... > > Colin. It should appear once per page. It needs to be repeated each time you visit the page or the developer may think they have fixed the problem when they haven't really. Thanks, Lemming, LemNet Manager http://www.lemnet.com/banners/ - Free targeted advertising http://www.lemnet.com/domains/ - Is your domain available? http://www.lemnet.com/guestbooks/ - Free guestbooks From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:31 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Lemming Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.mozilla.ui Subject: Re: Sneak Peak? Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 12:45:54 +0000 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 17 Message-ID: <38C3A882.11860B50@lemnet.com> References: <38C3355F.7030200@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: usr1272-kno.cableinet.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.general:16940 netscape.public.mozilla.ui:6342 Stephen Donner wrote: > I don't suppose anybody in Netscape could send us either some latest > mockups of the beta's UI or even a real screen shot? It would be cool. Try http://www.mozilla.org/projects/seamonkey/release-notes/index.html and download M14. It is a bit more than a screen shot :-) Thanks, Lemming, LemNet Manager http://www.lemnet.com/banners/ - Free targeted advertising http://www.lemnet.com/domains/ - Is your domain available? http://www.lemnet.com/guestbooks/ - Free guestbooks From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:31 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Sebastian Spaeth Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 14:13:13 +0100 Organization: University of =?iso-8859-1?Q?Link=F6ping?= Lines: 25 Message-ID: <38C3AEE9.60959507@SSpaeth.de> References: <38C33B8B.EA5BB1A1@SPAMarcmedia.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: f29.ryd.student.liu.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [de] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: sv,de,en I experienced this as well (03/04). I have an external JS file which doesn't contain more than: function last_changed () {document.write(document.lastModified)} Loading my site, it complained with a popup about "f" not being defined (I never call a function f!) and then about "last_changed" not being defined. It didn't apply the external CSS file which belongs to the page as well. I repaired this behaviour by writing: function last_changed () {document.write(document.lastModified);} Notice the _;_ at the only instruction of the function. I didn't get any popups then and the CSS was applied to the page. Does the last statement in a function have to have a ; ??? Why did it complain about a function f not being defined when there is never a "f" called? Why does it break an external CSS? Any known bugs about this? Greetings Sebastian P.S. I was talking about the page http://www.sspaeth.de . Remove the ; in the common.js file and see the pop ups as well. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:31 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Brian King Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.xpinstall,netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.mozilla.layout Subject: Re: nsApprunner Start-up query... Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 14:05:30 +0000 Organization: XML Workshop Lines: 8 Message-ID: <38C3BB2A.606611DA@xmlw.ie> References: <38C33EAB.B7A0F0B7@clubi.ie> <38C3604B.EE2A3328@netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.120.128.114 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.xpinstall:41 netscape.public.mozilla.general:16943 netscape.public.mozilla.layout:6872 Daniel Veditz wrote: > Alternatively, if you register your component as an AppShellComponent you > get handed a nsICmdLineService in the Initialize() call. How would I go about doing this? -Brian From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:31 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Colin Stewart Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.mozilla.jseng Subject: Re: New javascript error dialog - BAD! Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 14:10:40 +0000 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 21 Message-ID: <38C3BC60.B35D6A7C@logica.com> References: <38C31C16.956685FE@io.com> <38C358C7.45D99FC3@weirdness.com> <38C39D41.81470ADA@logica.com> <38C3A83F.A538A410@lemnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 158.234.70.235 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en-gb] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.general:16944 netscape.public.mozilla.jseng:1394 Lemming wrote: > > Using build 2000030516 (win95) I find that this dialog is being brought > > up several times for each page, and then crashing the browser. This > > happens on our intranet site, and also on http://www.ft.com. > > Having the dialog appear once per domain (ever *not* each time you visit > > the thing!) might be a better solution... > It should appear once per page. It needs to be repeated each time you visit the page or the developer may think they have fixed the problem when they haven't really. How about a user preference to suppress Javascript errors? How many end users (as apposed to developers) want to see this message when they view a web site? I know the idea is to get people to update their web pages, but if an error dialog pops up each time you visit your favorite site it may end up slowing down adoption of Mozilla. Colin. -- All opinions expressed are solely those of the author and not of Logica From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:31 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Lemming Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.mozilla.jseng Subject: Re: New javascript error dialog - BAD! Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 14:31:47 +0000 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 35 Message-ID: <38C3C153.CE82A024@lemnet.com> References: <38C31C16.956685FE@io.com> <38C358C7.45D99FC3@weirdness.com> <38C39D41.81470ADA@logica.com> <38C3A83F.A538A410@lemnet.com> <38C3BC60.B35D6A7C@logica.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: usr1282-kno.cableinet.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.general:16945 netscape.public.mozilla.jseng:1395 Colin Stewart wrote: > Lemming wrote: > > > > Using build 2000030516 (win95) I find that this dialog is being brought > > > up several times for each page, and then crashing the browser. This > > > happens on our intranet site, and also on http://www.ft.com. > > > > Having the dialog appear once per domain (ever *not* each time you visit > > > the thing!) might be a better solution... > > > It should appear once per page. It needs to be repeated each time you visit the page or the developer may think they have fixed the problem when they haven't really. > > How about a user preference to suppress Javascript errors? How many end > users (as apposed to developers) want to see this message when they view > a web site? I know the idea is to get people to update their web pages, > but if an error dialog pops up each time you visit your favorite site it > may end up slowing down adoption of Mozilla. > > Colin. > > -- > All opinions expressed are solely those of the author and not of Logica There should be a checkbox on the popup dialog. Thanks, Lemming, LemNet Manager http://www.lemnet.com/banners/ - Free targeted advertising http://www.lemnet.com/domains/ - Is your domain available? http://www.lemnet.com/guestbooks/ - Free guestbooks From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:31 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Marshall Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.mozilla.jseng Subject: Re: New javascript error dialog - BAD! Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 09:39:05 -0500 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 3 Message-ID: <38C3C309.36F16C87@pssnet.com> References: <38C31C16.956685FE@io.com> <38C358C7.45D99FC3@weirdness.com> <38C39D41.81470ADA@logica.com> <38C3A83F.A538A410@lemnet.com> <38C3BC60.B35D6A7C@logica.com> <38C3C153.CE82A024@lemnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: HSE-Toronto-ppp88666.sympatico.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.general:16946 netscape.public.mozilla.jseng:1396 http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30669 I filed this bug on it. Just try going to geocities now... From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:32 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Johnny Stenback Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 16:41:31 +0200 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 81 Message-ID: <38C3C39B.3A3B20B5@citec.fi> References: <38C33B8B.EA5BB1A1@SPAMarcmedia.ch> <38C3590D.1D4DF3B1@netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: fw.citec.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12-20 i686) X-Accept-Language: en To: Eric Krock Eric Krock wrote: > > Xaver Dubler wrote: > > > does mozilla support external js files? (i.e. ) > > Sure as heck should. Does in my experience. Please open a bug report if it > seems not to. > > > after crashing 2000030508 with a more complicated js file (using > > document.write inside a .js. i think the document.write("") caused the crash, not sure though) > > If you can reproduce the crash, please open a bug report on it and tag with > the crash keyword and move to NEW. > > > i created a > > simple case with > > (function test() and function > > statusMessage(message) are in the js) showed JavaScript:doIt() in the > > status bar and onClick nothing happend at all. > > I think the problem here is that javascript: URLs aren't yet > implemented--or if they were just turned on, maybe there's a bug with them. > Please do a query with "javascript:" in the Summary and see if it's a DUP > of one of those; if not or you're not sure, please file a bug report with > your testcase. > > BTW, probably irrelevant but javascript: needn't be capitalized. > Javascrip URL's do indeed work (in most cases, at least) but currently, due to bug 22859, the character case in the URL is indeed relevant, ie "javascript:" works but "JavaScript:" doesn't! > > what are the limitations when using js files? > > Shouldn't be any. > > > are these problems going to be solved > > Any issues here should be reported and should be resolved. This is a > critical backward compatibility issue if it's real. > > > or is this a 'not working because > > it's not W3C compliant' situation? > > doesn't appear to be. > > Thanks for your help!!! > > > (or is my javascript messed up? these are my first tests in javascript > > and only because it works in NN and IE doesn't neceserally mean it's > > good javascript) > > > > thanks for your feedback > > xaver > > > > -- > > FreeBSD is like a Wigwam. No Windows, no Gates, and an Apache inside. > > This email was sent: > > 11:48 PM EST 5 March 2000 > > -- > What have *YOU* done for web standards today? > http://www.mozilla.org/newlayout/bugathon.html > > Are your JavaScript and CGIs ready for Nav5, IE5, and > HTTP 1.1 CONTENT_TYPE? Get the latest info at > http://developer.netscape.com/viewsource/krock_v5.html > > Hints on upgrading web pages to support W3C standards: > http://sites.netscape.net/ekrock/standards.html > > Have a question? Before you email me, first please check > http://sites.netscape.com/ekrock/answers.html -- jst From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:32 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!europa.netcrusader.net!195.27.83.146!news-FFM2.ecrc.net!news.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: Greg Sabino Mullane Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: OK I've compiled M14, what now??? Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 10:20:11 -0500 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 42 Message-ID: <38C3CCAB.31E0@turnstep.example.com> References: <89ugo0$gl61@secnews.netscape.com> <38C2D163.169A9182@bigfoot.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.8e.ee Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 6 Mar 2000 15:12:18 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > > I can run the mozilla.exe executable, but it looks like there > > are things missing. Do I need to run setup? When I do this, > > it complains of missing files. Do I have to copy files around > > from the build tree, and run setup.exe???? > > > > There are 2 setup.exe files, they both give errors: > > > > The first Error I Get is: > > > > Cannot find getconfigini.idi > > Actually, just go to the mozilla\dist\WIN32_O.OBJ\bin and run > mozilla.exe. (the path may be slightly different if you built a > debug version. I was getting the same error (actually it complains about not finding C:\WINDOWS\TEMP\GETCONFIGINI.IDI before the splash screen even comes up). I was running (as always) \mozilla\dist\win32_o.obj\bin\mozilla.exe. It is working now, after a cvs update a few days ago. The problem seems to come and go, have not found a pattern yet. I thought it was me, but looks like it may be a genuine bug. On a similar note, I think this should be in the build page somewhere. When you build mozilla for the first time, it is not at all obvious where the executables are when you are done and ready to run it. Greg Sabino Mullane remove 'example' to email PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 0306001018 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: http://www.turnstep.com/pgp.html iQA/AwUBOMPMkrybkGcUlkrIEQKaKgCg4z78vuhmcsww2B4ygBfPkUuUJikAoPrG KOexqIr3L+h9LN3rVJy1wzA4 =nkyX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:32 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Robert Kaiser Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Guidelines when confirming bugs, and list of top 100 sites Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 17:19:53 +0100 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 48 Message-ID: <38C3DAA9.909B1F9B@StarTrekMail.com> References: <89ss0r$9aq1@secnews.netscape.com> <38C2B171.1020607@NOSPAMmath.berkeley.edu> <89uith$gg41@secnews.netscape.com> <38C2DD87.1090608@NOSPAMmath.berkeley.edu> <38C355EF.494CDE9F@netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: robert.hirsch.sth.ac.at Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [de] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: de-AT,de,en-US,en,it > > * How should a bug about feature that is not yet implemented in mozilla but > probably will (XSLT, DOM-events, CSS2) be treated? > > You could assign to the right component (Style System for CSS2, DOM0 / DOM 1 / > DOM 2 for DOM, etc.) and mark it with severity enhancement. > > * What should we do with a RFE? > > mark it with severity enhancement And look for dupes... I think a lot of the RFE/not yet implemented are included in existing RFE (or other) bugs.... > > > * Is it enough to see that there actually is a real bug on the page to mark > it NEW, or should we assign it to the proper component and leave it > UNCONFIRMED? > > If you confirm that the problem is real and correctly described, definitely > move it from UNCONFIRMED to new, because that's useful information even if > you're not sure of the component. That's probably the best (shortest) description I ever read of what a bug needs to be comfirmed. > Making your best guess at assigning it to the right component would be good > too. You can get some tips by going over to http://lxr.mozilla.org/seamonkey/ and doing a Text search for some important word which could be in the affected code. The filenames you'll get (and their paths) could be a great help to guess the component... > A general opinion (of me): We'll get more and more UNCONFIRMED bugs after raeching beta status and thus increasing download rates. So we should tell people somewhere how to confirm them (without using votes). And we should tell people who want to go through them how to (more or less easily) find the right components and possible dupes.... Just my 2 cents... Robert Kaiser From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:32 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Robert Kaiser Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Pre-Beta Standards Compliance Check Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 17:55:00 +0100 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 14 Message-ID: <38C3E2E4.4951B4D@StarTrekMail.com> References: <38C2EBB1.9FE0FE4C@bigfoot.com> <89v2vc$ise1@secnews.netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: robert.hirsch.sth.ac.at Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [de] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: de-AT,de,en-US,en,it > Also If we know which parts of CSS2 to test then we are more likely > to find the bugs that exists there. Only a small point but I'm following that bug almost since it was created... "position: " seems to be in, for example - but "position: fixed" seems to be a real problem (though it is implemented...) --> see bug #4209. That's how a small part of a bigger point can cause major problems - if it stays implemented this way... (UI crap inside a HTML page looks like a major problem for me - what if the small image at the bottom right of http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a9805220/links/links.html was filling the page?) Robert Kaiser From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:32 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Tillmann Steinbrecher Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Can't click "reload" button while document is being loaded Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 20:04:42 +0100 Organization: http://www.heatsink-guide.com Lines: 22 Message-ID: <38C4014A.E47845E@anandtech.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p3E9EDF46.dip0.t-ipconnect.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i686) X-Accept-Language: en Hi, one thing that disturbs me about Mozilla: While the document is being loaded, you can't click reload - you always have to click "stop" and then reload. For example, if I notice during loading that the document that's currently being loaded is old (from proxy), I simply used to click on "reload" with Communicator. Now, I have to hit two buttons to reach the same goal. Of course this is not a bug report, that's just a suggestion for an improvement :) Related build: Linux M14 2000022916 bye, Tillmann -- Tillmann Steinbrecher Webmaster - The Heatsink Guide AnandTech Editor http://www.heatsink-guide.com http://www.anandtech.com From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:32 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: John Bandhauer Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.mozilla.jseng Subject: Re: New javascript error dialog - BAD! Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 11:20:38 -0800 Organization: minions of mozilla Lines: 32 Message-ID: <38C40506.E69B690B@netscape.com> References: <38C31C16.956685FE@io.com> <38C358C7.45D99FC3@weirdness.com> <38C39D41.81470ADA@logica.com> <38C3A83F.A538A410@lemnet.com> <38C3BC60.B35D6A7C@logica.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-205-217-243-23.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.general:16952 netscape.public.mozilla.jseng:1397 Colin Stewart wrote: > > Lemming wrote: > > > > Using build 2000030516 (win95) I find that this dialog is being brought > > > up several times for each page, and then crashing the browser. This > > > happens on our intranet site, and also on http://www.ft.com. > > > > Having the dialog appear once per domain (ever *not* each time you visit > > > the thing!) might be a better solution... > > > It should appear once per page. It needs to be repeated each time you visit the page or the developer may think they have fixed the problem when they haven't really. > > How about a user preference to suppress Javascript errors? How many end > users (as apposed to developers) want to see this message when they view > a web site? I know the idea is to get people to update their web pages, > but if an error dialog pops up each time you visit your favorite site it > may end up slowing down adoption of Mozilla. > It *should* be a console that does not popup at all. But, this was an expedient fix that we just barely got in under the tight beta1 checkin restrictions because we believe that *any* reporting of JS errors is better than *no* reporting. It is easy to say what ought to be. There are a lot of people working on stuff far more important than this. A popup error message was good enough for Nav 3 and it is good enough now. It does popup more than one might want, and for various reasons. There are still things to fix in mozilla and lots of pages in the world to be fixed. Give it time. John. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:32 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Richard Zach Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: LAYER bug bookmarklet Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 13:15:20 -0800 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 12 Message-ID: <38C41FE8.3050506@NOSPAMmath.berkeley.edu> References: <89ss0r$9aq1@secnews.netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-63-194-82-58.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; N; Linux 2.2.11 i586; en-US; m14) X-Accept-Language: en To: ekrock@netscape.com Here's a bookmarklet for marking LAYER bugs invalid. javascript:with(document.forms[0]){if(knob[1].value=='confirm') {knob[3].checked=true;} else {knob[2].checked=true}; resolution.selectedIndex=1;short_desc.value='[LAYER] '+short_desc.value; void(comment.value='Site relies on or tags, document.layers, document.all, or fails to detect client correctly. See http://sites.netscape.net/ekrock/standards.html for details on standards-compliance in Mozilla, and which proprietary features of NS 4.x and IE will not be supported. \n\nMarking INVALID as per http://www.mozilla.org/newlayout/bugathon.html#layerbugs')} From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:32 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Richard Zach Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: LAYER bug bookmarklet Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 13:16:41 -0800 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 12 Message-ID: <38C42039.305@NOSPAMmath.berkeley.edu> References: <89ss0r$9aq1@secnews.netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-63-194-82-58.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; N; Linux 2.2.11 i586; en-US; m14) X-Accept-Language: en To: ekrock@netscape.com Here's a bookmarklet for marking LAYER bugs invalid. javascript:with(document.forms[0]){if(knob[1].value=='confirm') {knob[3].checked=true;} else {knob[2].checked=true}; resolution.selectedIndex=1;short_desc.value='[LAYER] '+short_desc.value; void(comment.value='Site relies on or tags, document.layers, document.all, or fails to detect client correctly. See http://sites.netscape.net/ekrock/standards.html for details on standards-compliance in Mozilla, and which proprietary features of NS 4.x and IE will not be supported. \n\nMarking INVALID as per http://www.mozilla.org/newlayout/bugathon.html#layerbugs')} From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:32 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Mike McCabe Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.mozilla.jseng Subject: Re: New javascript error dialog - BAD! Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 14:03:15 -0800 Organization: Encom Lines: 36 Message-ID: <38C42B23.88818067@netscape.com> References: <38C31C16.956685FE@io.com> <38C358C7.45D99FC3@weirdness.com> <38C39D41.81470ADA@logica.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-208-12-39-113.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-22smp i686) X-Accept-Language: en To: Colin Stewart Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.general:16957 netscape.public.mozilla.jseng:1398 Colin Stewart wrote: > > Jerry Baker wrote: > > > Bob Crawford wrote: > > > > > > I saw this for the first time in build 2000030416: > > > 1- My site (slow server) dropped my .js file, so a javascript > > > procedure was not availablewhen needed. Things happen. > > > > I have even seen this on Mozilla.org occasionally. Heh > > Using build 2000030516 (win95) I find that this dialog is being brought > up several times for each page, and then crashing the browser. This > happens on our intranet site, and also on http://www.ft.com. > > Having the dialog appear once per domain (ever *not* each time you visit > the thing!) might be a better solution... > > Colin. Colin - Popping up an alert on JavaScript errors seems to interact with an unrelated bug, which I believe was introduced on March 2 or 3. Bringing up any kind of alert at all (e.g. by executing alert("Hi, I'm an alert!") from JavaScript) brings up a number of beeps and asserts on the console, on debug builds. Could it be that bug that's causing your crashes? Could you try running Mozilla on a page with alert() calls to see if that has the same behavior? I'm working on tracking down the checkin that introduced this behavior, but it could take a while... Mike From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:32 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!unlisys!news.snafu.de!news-FFM2.ecrc.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: "Pete Pfeiffer" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Mozilla scanning system Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 17:10:09 -0500 Lines: 97 Message-ID: <8a1ac5$7ds$1@bob.news.rcn.net> X-Trace: tCimeKmAm29iS2jyCYHcMkP2SUffC3NZH74lTKnUcnA= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Mar 2000 22:10:13 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 Just tried to use Mozilla 1.4 - what a farce. WAY TOO SLOW, and as soon as I launched the program my personal firewall caught you trying to scan my system. What Gives?? Detailed info concerning the scan of my system below. Information Received 3/6/00 16:20:38 EST: Name Packet sent from 207.200.74.174 (HTTP) to 207.172.33.140 (TCP Port 1082) was blocked Status Dropped Source IP Address 207.200.74.174 Destination IP Address 207.172.33.140 Source Port 80 Destination Port 1082 Link Layer Protocol 1 Network Layer Protocol 1 Transport Layer Protocol 2 Count 1 Status Code 100002 Lock Level 0 Security Information 1,1,1,2 Operating System Windows 98-4.10.2222- A -SP Product ZoneAlarm ProductVersion 2.0.26 Language 0409 State Find Code 10 Traceroute Results 1 10.11.64.68 tnt8.brd.va.rcn.net 120 11:0:Time To Live (TTL) Exceeded in Transit 2 10.11.64.2 fe5-0.core5.spg.va.rcn.net 118 11:0:Time To Live (TTL) Exceeded in Transit 3 207.172.0.137 fe0-1-0.core1.spg.va.rcn.net 131 11:0:Time To Live (TTL) Exceeded in Transit 4 207.172.0.132 fe5-1-0.core2.spg.va.rcn.net 132 11:0:Time To Live (TTL) Exceeded in Transit 5 207.172.9.38 poet1-1-0.core2.tco.va.rcn.net 228 11:0:Time To Live (TTL) Exceeded in Transit 6 207.172.9.218 fe3-0-0.border1.tco.va.rcn.net 118 11:0:Time To Live (TTL) Exceeded in Transit 7 209.133.31.1 erols-gate.above.net 132 11:0:Time To Live (TTL) Exceeded in Transit 8 209.249.0.21 core1-core2-1.iad.above.net 121 11:0:Time To Live (TTL) Exceeded in Transit 9 207.126.96.121 sjc-iad-oc12-1.sjc.above.net 192 11:0:Time To Live (TTL) Exceeded in Transit 10 209.133.31.110 core2-core1.sjc.above.net 189 11:0:Time To Live (TTL) Exceeded in Transit 11 209.133.31.74 netscape-abovenet-ds3.sjc.netscape.com 198 11:0:Time To Live (TTL) Exceeded in Transit 12 207.200.69.246 h-207-200-69-246.netscape.com 200 11:0:Time To Live (TTL) Exceeded in Transit 13 207.200.69.249 h-207-200-69-249.netscape.com 210 11:0:Time To Live (TTL) Exceeded in Transit 14 207.200.74.174 dirt.netscape.com 200 0:0 Echo Reply TraceRoute Statistics: 32 data bytes to dirt.netscape.com [207.200.74.174] Start Time: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 16:23:01 14 packets transmitted, 14 packets received, 0% packet loss round-trip (ms) min/avg/max = 118/163/228 [Query: 207.200.74.174, Server: whois.arin.net] Netscape Communications Corp. (NETBLK-NETSCAPE-CIDR) 501 East Middlefield Rd Mountain View, CA 94043 Netname: NETSCAPE-CIDR Netblock: 207.200.64.0 - 207.200.127.255 Maintainer: NSCP Coordinator: Beckwith, Rod (RB302-ARIN) rodb@NETSCAPE.COM (415) 528-2644 Domain System inverse mapping provided by: NS.NETSCAPE.COM 198.95.251.10 NS2.NETSCAPE.COM 205.218.156.42 ADDRESSES WITHIN THIS BLOCK ARE NON-PORTABLE Record last updated on 22-Jan-1997. Database last updated on 6-Mar-2000 06:00:37 EDT. The ARIN Registration Services Host contains ONLY Internet Network Information: Networks, ASN's, and related POC's. Please use the whois server at rs.internic.net for DOMAIN related Information and nic.mil for NIPRNET Information. [End of Data] From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:32 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!feeder.qis.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: "Pete Pfeiffer" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Uninstall Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 17:16:01 -0500 Lines: 7 Message-ID: <8a1an5$asm$1@bob.news.rcn.net> X-Trace: FdKtavr3jlo+KMrOdNALaffYZLhPhK905cslaJ/+Igs= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Mar 2000 22:16:05 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 Can someone plz tell me how to uninstall mozilla 1.4?? Thanks in advance pfeiffep@yahoo.com Pete Pfeiffer From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:32 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!pixie.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Mike McCabe Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.mozilla.jseng Subject: Re: New javascript error dialog - BAD! Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 14:43:47 -0800 Organization: Encom Lines: 19 Message-ID: <38C434A3.8F9BBF03@netscape.com> References: <38C31C16.956685FE@io.com> <38C358C7.45D99FC3@weirdness.com> <38C39D41.81470ADA@logica.com> <38C42B23.88818067@netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.12.39.113 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-22smp i686) X-Accept-Language: en To: Colin Stewart Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.general:16962 netscape.public.mozilla.jseng:1399 > Colin - > > Popping up an alert on JavaScript errors seems to interact with an unrelated > bug, which I believe was introduced on March 2 or 3. Bringing up any kind > of alert at all (e.g. by executing alert("Hi, I'm an alert!") from > JavaScript) brings up a number of beeps and asserts on the console, on debug > builds. Could it be that bug that's causing your crashes? Could you try > running Mozilla on a page with alert() calls to see if that has the same > behavior? > > I'm working on tracking down the checkin that introduced this behavior, but > it could take a while... > > Mike Looks like evaughan has checked in a fix for this problem. Thanks to jband of rhe heads up. Mike From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:32 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!gateway From: darkmane@w-link.net (Sean Chitwood) Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Mozilla scanning system Date: 6 Mar 2000 22:59:30 GMT Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <8a1ac5$7ds$1@bob.news.rcn.net> Reply-To: darkmane@w-link.net NNTP-Posting-Host: h-207-200-73-41.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Pete Pfeiffer CC: mozilla-general@mozilla.org On Mon, 6 Mar 2000, Pete Pfeiffer wrote: > Just tried to use Mozilla 1.4 - what a farce. WAY TOO SLOW, and as soon as I > launched the program my personal firewall caught you trying to scan my > system. What Gives?? > Ok, it's not Mozilla 1.4, it's Milestone 14, meaning this is pre-release software, it hasn't been optimised yet, so it's still slow and buggy. Beta 1 is coming in the near future, but not here yet and there will be significant improvements then I'm sure. As for scanning your firewall, I believe Mozilla will have automatic proxy detection like IE when all is said and done.I bet that is what happened. Now for the important question, did it work? Did it find your proxy w/o user intervention? Sean aka Darkmane +------------------------------ + On October 16, 1999 A.D. + Sean Chitwood proudly proclaimed + his love for Melissa Webb + and made her his lifemate +------------------------------ From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:32 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Daniel Veditz Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: No subject was specified. Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 15:27:04 -0800 Organization: Speaking only for myself Lines: 12 Message-ID: <38C43EC8.D09BAF0E@netscape.com> References: <006901bf87b2$9b949e40$da0bfea9@mozilla> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-205-217-240-60.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: Stephen Donner Stephen Donner wrote: > > I read it, and understood the principles, but you'd have to re-compile it > again after tweaking the source, right? No, you set permissions entirely through per-user prefs. You'd only have to tweak the source if you wanted to control an access that wasn't foreseen. It looks like http://lxr.mozilla.org/seamonkey/source/dom/public/nsDOMPropNames.h is the list of the valid properties, and if so that's pretty much everything. -Dan Veditz From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:32 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Lemming Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Uninstall Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 23:33:14 +0000 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 21 Message-ID: <38C4403A.B32F96CA@lemnet.com> References: <8a1an5$asm$1@bob.news.rcn.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: usr790-kno.cableinet.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en Pete Pfeiffer wrote: > Can someone plz tell me how to uninstall mozilla 1.4?? > Thanks in advance > pfeiffep@yahoo.com > > Pete Pfeiffer To uninstall any version of Mozilla delete the directory you unzipped it too, including the Users50 directory (usually within the directory you unzipped to). Then remove mozregistry.dat and mozver.dat from the windows directory. I think they are called .mozilla on unix, you should know where to find them. Thanks, Lemming, LemNet Manager http://www.lemnet.com/banners/ - Free targeted advertising http://www.lemnet.com/domains/ - Is your domain available? http://www.lemnet.com/guestbooks/ - Free guestbooks From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:32 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Daniel Veditz Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.xpinstall,netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.mozilla.layout,netscape.public.mozilla.xpfe Subject: Re: nsApprunner Start-up query... Followup-To: netscape.public.mozilla.xpfe Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 16:01:22 -0800 Organization: Speaking only for myself Lines: 28 Message-ID: <38C446D1.CA3F651D@netscape.com> References: <38C33EAB.B7A0F0B7@clubi.ie> <38C3604B.EE2A3328@netscape.com> <38C3BB2A.606611DA@xmlw.ie> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-205-217-240-60.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.xpinstall:42 netscape.public.mozilla.general:16966 netscape.public.mozilla.layout:6885 netscape.public.mozilla.xpfe:5819 Setting follow-ups to the .xpfe group, but still cross-posting this message because I don't know which of the groups Brian is reading. Brian King wrote: > > Daniel Veditz wrote: > > > Alternatively, if you register your component as an AppShellComponent you > > get handed a nsICmdLineService in the Initialize() call. > > How would I go about doing this? First, your component must implement nsIAppShellComponent, documented at http://lxr.mozilla.org/seamonkey/source/xpfe/components/public/nsIAppShellComponent.idl Second, your component's self-register must make an entry in the component registry. You can see how xpinstall does it at http://lxr.mozilla.org/seamonkey/source/xpinstall/src/nsSoftwareUpdate.cpp#561 Contrary to the documentation in the first link, the appshell components I know of all register their CID not their ProgID. I don't know if that means we're all broken (but the component manager can deal with it) or if the documentation is out of date. No doubt if the CategoryManager had existed at the time this would have been implemented as a category instead of a custom implementation. -Dan Veditz From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:32 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: "Jonas Sicking" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Guidelines when confirming bugs, and list of top 100 sites Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 01:22:53 +0100 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 46 Message-ID: <8a1i4a$r5u3@secnews.netscape.com> References: <89ss0r$9aq1@secnews.netscape.com> <38C2B171.1020607@NOSPAMmath.berkeley.edu> <89uith$gg41@secnews.netscape.com> <38C2DD87.1090608@NOSPAMmath.berkeley.edu> <38C355EF.494CDE9F@netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.247.16.49 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Great answers. Will really help a lot! > - Have emailed Jonas the boilerplate text. > - Would *love* it if Jonas or somebody else would set these up as totally > server-side templates and maintain; we'd happily link to those templates, > wherever they might be, from developer.netscape.com and elsewhere so long as > the text remained something reasonable (and the site didn't turn into an adult > site or something ;-> ); I'm quite swamped and would be grateful for the help. I'll get started on those pages right away. > * Should bugs on top100 sites be treated in some special way (mark beta1/2 > and top100) and what sites are considered top100? > > You can mark these with the top100 keyword. Note that just because a top100 > home page has a bug doesn't necessarily mean that the bug is a beta1 stopper. > But if you think it *might* be a beta1 stopper, feel free to tag it beta1 for > evaluation by the PDT team. This could also be something to write about on a "how to help analyze existing bug reports" page, what is considered beta1, beta2 and dogfood. Just some general guides so that we get a general idea whan you expect to work in those. (Hmm beta1 might be a bit late though ; ) > You've asked a set of great questions. It would be great if we could update > the bug writing guidelines or bug handling instructions somewhere to capture > this info. Maybe we need a "how to help analyze existing bug reports" page > distinct from the new bug writing guidelines? or just to add this info to the > bugathon page? Not sure. cc:ing elig for his thoughts. A "how to help analyze existing bug reports" page would be great. Your answers would be a great start for such a page. And I'm sure we can come up with some more question : ) / Jonas Sicking From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:32 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: John Morrison Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Can't click "reload" button while document is being loaded Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 18:05:32 -0800 Organization: Netscape Lines: 31 Message-ID: <38C463EC.E1CC097E@netscape.com> References: <38C4014A.E47845E@anandtech.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-208-12-39-231.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Tillmann Steinbrecher wrote: > > Hi, > > one thing that disturbs me about Mozilla: While the document is being > loaded, you can't click reload - you always have to click "stop" and > then reload. > > For example, if I notice during loading that the document that's > currently being loaded is old (from proxy), I simply used to click on > "reload" with Communicator. Now, I have to hit two buttons to reach the > same goal. > > Of course this is not a bug report, that's just a suggestion for an > improvement :) But it is an existing bug for M15 : http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22097 Cheers, John > > Related build: Linux M14 2000022916 > > bye, > Tillmann > -- > Tillmann Steinbrecher > Webmaster - The Heatsink Guide AnandTech Editor > http://www.heatsink-guide.com http://www.anandtech.com From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:32 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: John Morrison Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Viewer component Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 18:08:17 -0800 Organization: Netscape Lines: 24 Message-ID: <38C46491.395582@netscape.com> References: <8a07td$k35$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-208-12-39-231.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en dkh wrote: > > Has anyone put together an HTML viewer component using Mozilla sources? > I would like to put together a Win32 app using an browser component, > but am looking for a component that can support a lot of the stuff in > IE/Netscape, such as Javascript. Any suggestions welcome. Please email > a copy of any replies also. Yes. See http://www.iol.ie/~locka/mozilla/mozilla.htm for the Adam Lock's Mozilla ActiveX Control Project. More discussion on this is done in netscape.public.mozilla.embedding (a.k.a. mozilla-embedding@mozilla.org as a mailing list). Cheers, John > > thanks, > d.k. henderson > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:32 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Colin Stewart Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.mozilla.jseng Subject: Re: New javascript error dialog - BAD! Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 09:30:31 +0000 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 36 Message-ID: <38C4CC37.305FF2B@logica.com> References: <38C31C16.956685FE@io.com> <38C358C7.45D99FC3@weirdness.com> <38C39D41.81470ADA@logica.com> <38C3A83F.A538A410@lemnet.com> <38C3BC60.B35D6A7C@logica.com> <38C40506.E69B690B@netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 158.234.70.235 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en-gb] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.general:16971 netscape.public.mozilla.jseng:1400 John Bandhauer wrote: > It *should* be a console that does not popup at all. But, this > was an expedient fix that we just barely got in under the tight > beta1 checkin restrictions because we believe that *any* > reporting of JS errors is better than *no* reporting. It is easy > to say what ought to be. There are a lot of people working on > stuff far more important than this. A popup error message was > good enough for Nav 3 and it is good enough now. It does popup > more than one might want, and for various reasons. There are > still things to fix in mozilla and lots of pages in the world to > be fixed. Give it time. I can agree with this, it isn't the biggest priority, and as a temporary measure it does work. The two things that worries me most at the moment about this are: 1 - It's poping up too many times per page (this might be fixed by the checkin Mike McCabe referred to but it's still doing it in build 2000030516 - maybe tonights build will fix it). At this point I don't know how many times it will pop-up for pages because of point 2. 2 - I can't visit sites like www.ft.com because when you do the dialogue appears repeatedly, and then Mozilla crashes after dissmissing the 3rd dialog on the page. This could of course be un-related, but until it stops doing this I can't use Mozilla for web browsing. I'm writing about this here not to complain, but to make sure that people are aware of the problem with the crashing, which I've not seen reported either here or in Bugzilla (which doesn't mean it's not there - searching for javascript brings back a few bugs...) Colin. -- All opinions expressed are solely those of the author and not of Logica From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:32 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: John Bandhauer Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.mozilla.jseng Subject: Re: New javascript error dialog - BAD! Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 02:20:14 -0800 Organization: minions of mozilla Lines: 40 Message-ID: <38C4D7DE.C1BB974D@netscape.com> References: <38C31C16.956685FE@io.com> <38C358C7.45D99FC3@weirdness.com> <38C39D41.81470ADA@logica.com> <38C3A83F.A538A410@lemnet.com> <38C3BC60.B35D6A7C@logica.com> <38C40506.E69B690B@netscape.com> <38C4CC37.305FF2B@logica.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-205-217-243-23.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.general:16972 netscape.public.mozilla.jseng:1401 Colin Stewart wrote: > > John Bandhauer wrote: > > > It *should* be a console that does not popup at all. But, this > > was an expedient fix that we just barely got in under the tight > > beta1 checkin restrictions because we believe that *any* > > reporting of JS errors is better than *no* reporting. It is easy > > to say what ought to be. There are a lot of people working on > > stuff far more important than this. A popup error message was > > good enough for Nav 3 and it is good enough now. It does popup > > more than one might want, and for various reasons. There are > > still things to fix in mozilla and lots of pages in the world to > > be fixed. Give it time. > > I can agree with this, it isn't the biggest priority, and as a temporary > measure it does work. The two things that worries me most at the moment > about this are: > > 1 - It's poping up too many times per page (this might be fixed by the > checkin Mike McCabe referred to but it's still doing it in build > 2000030516 - maybe tonights build will fix it). At this point I don't > know how many times it will pop-up for pages because of point 2. > > 2 - I can't visit sites like www.ft.com because when you do the dialogue > appears repeatedly, and then Mozilla crashes after dissmissing the 3rd > dialog on the page. This could of course be un-related, but until it > stops doing this I can't use Mozilla for web browsing. > > I'm writing about this here not to complain, but to make sure that > people are aware of the problem with the crashing, which I've not seen > reported either here or in Bugzilla (which doesn't mean it's not there - > searching for javascript brings back a few bugs...) I'd bet that you are seeing the same crash after the error dialog as reported in http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30669 Which I discovered is really just another manifestation of http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30666 John. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:32 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Colin Stewart Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.mozilla.jseng Subject: Re: New javascript error dialog - BAD! Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 10:35:28 +0000 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 13 Message-ID: <38C4DB70.C3C3E153@logica.com> References: <38C31C16.956685FE@io.com> <38C358C7.45D99FC3@weirdness.com> <38C39D41.81470ADA@logica.com> <38C3A83F.A538A410@lemnet.com> <38C3BC60.B35D6A7C@logica.com> <38C40506.E69B690B@netscape.com> <38C4CC37.305FF2B@logica.com> <38C4D7DE.C1BB974D@netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 158.234.70.235 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en-gb] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.general:16973 netscape.public.mozilla.jseng:1402 John Bandhauer wrote: > I'd bet that you are seeing the same crash after the error dialog > as reported in http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30669 > Which I discovered is really just another manifestation of > http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30666 Yep look like the same thing, thanks! Colin. -- All opinions expressed are solely those of the author and not of Logica From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:32 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Robert Kaiser Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Uninstall Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 15:20:54 +0100 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 5 Message-ID: <38C51045.64F8A4E@StarTrekMail.com> References: <8a1an5$asm$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <38C4403A.B32F96CA@lemnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: robert.hirsch.sth.ac.at Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [de] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: de-AT,de,en-US,en,it > To uninstall any version of Mozilla delete the directory you unzipped it too, including the Users50 directory (usually within the directory you unzipped to). If you've used the installer, it's some "Seamonkey" directory.... From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:32 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Stuart Ballard Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Guidelines when confirming bugs, and list of top 100 sites Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 15:08:12 +0000 Organization: NetReach Lines: 29 Message-ID: <38C51B5B.2AA3A863@netreach.net> References: <89ss0r$9aq1@secnews.netscape.com> <38C2B171.1020607@NOSPAMmath.berkeley.edu> <89uith$gg41@secnews.netscape.com> <38C2DD87.1090608@NOSPAMmath.berkeley.edu> <38C355EF.494CDE9F@netscape.com> <8a1i4a$r5u3@secnews.netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: rainbow.netreach.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i586) X-Accept-Language: en Jonas Sicking wrote: > > This could also be something to write about on a "how to help analyze > existing bug reports" page, what is considered beta1, beta2 and dogfood. > Just some general guides so that we get a general idea whan you expect to > work in those. (Hmm beta1 might be a bit late though ; ) On that sort of a note -- what actually *are* the criteria for beta1 bugs at this point? Is "a clear bug with a very easy resolution that is pretty certain not to break anything, and causes problems on some sites" enough to make a bug beta1, even if there aren't many such sites? For example, one bug that affects a page I visit frequently is http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25330 (The summary of this bug is misleading; read the comments for the real bug). I wouldn't say that this bug is particularly serious, in that it only seems to affect a small minority of pages, but it also seems to be very easy to fix (in fact, I believe the code was already there but over-enthusiastically removed in order to fix http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23376). It also is likely to be very frustrating to users and developers who do happen to encounter it, just because it does seem to be so easy to get right. So my question is... should I submit this for consideration for beta1? For beta2? What criteria should I apply to determine whether something should be considered for beta? Thanks, Stuart. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:32 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Jerry Baker Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Guidelines when confirming bugs, and list of top 100 sites Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 07:20:33 -0800 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 13 Message-ID: <38C51E41.BC81490D@weirdness.com> References: <89ss0r$9aq1@secnews.netscape.com> <38C2B171.1020607@NOSPAMmath.berkeley.edu> <89uith$gg41@secnews.netscape.com> <38C2DD87.1090608@NOSPAMmath.berkeley.edu> <38C355EF.494CDE9F@netscape.com> <8a1i4a$r5u3@secnews.netscape.com> <38C51B5B.2AA3A863@netreach.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lsanca1-ar3-147-141.dsl.gtei.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.71 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Stuart Ballard wrote: > You worry too much ;-) If you submit a bug, and think that it is a big enough problem that it will be troublesome to many users that download beta1, then put beta1 in the keywords field. The PDT team will look at it and decide. -- Jerry Baker PGP Mail Preferred Key: http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x09DE91C6 From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:32 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Skip Nizinski Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.mozilla.nspr Subject: where is ::DebugBreak() implemented (xpcom/base/nsDebug.cpp) Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 10:04:36 -0600 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 7 Message-ID: <38C52894.2938E045@us.ibm.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ss02.co.us.ibm.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (OS/2; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.general:16977 netscape.public.mozilla.nspr:918 It looks like ::DebugBreak() is meant to throw you into the debugger rather than terminate the app on things like assertions (see prlog.c) rather than call abort(). Where might this be implemented (or is it dead code)? Thanks. Skip Nizinski (IBM) From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:32 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!gateway From: wtc@netscape.com (Wan-Teh Chang) Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.nspr,netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: where is ::DebugBreak() implemented (xpcom/base/nsDebug.cpp) Date: 7 Mar 2000 16:17:11 GMT Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 13 Message-ID: <38C52B87.B573908@netscape.com> References: <38C52894.2938E045@us.ibm.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-207-200-73-41.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Skip Nizinski CC: mozilla-general@mozilla.org, mozilla-nspr@mozilla.org Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.nspr:919 netscape.public.mozilla.general:16978 Skip Nizinski wrote: > > It looks like ::DebugBreak() is meant to throw you into the debugger > rather than terminate the app on things like assertions (see prlog.c) > rather than call abort(). Where might this be implemented (or is it dead > code)? ::DebugBreak is a standard Win32 function. See its documentation on Microsoft's developer site: http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/psdk/winbase/debug_9x9n.htm Wan-Teh From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:32 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Jerome Kwok Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.mozilla.jseng Subject: GOOD! Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 00:55:45 +0800 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 37 Message-ID: <38C53491.C6921494@hkid.com> References: <38C31C16.956685FE@io.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp8-213.att.net.hk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-TW Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.general:16979 netscape.public.mozilla.jseng:1403 It's good. But I'd rather to put these messages in the status bar instead of popups. It should be warned if the pages contain LAYERs. Bob Crawford wrote: > > I saw this for the first time in build 2000030416: > 1- My site (slow server) dropped my .js file, so a javascript > procedure was not availablewhen needed. Things happen. > > 2- However, the following alert appeared: > > "This error may indicate that the site has not > been updated for Mozilla. Please contact the site > administrator, or see > http://developer.netscape.com/mozilla" > > This is the wrong thing to say, and positions Mozilla as a > "Problem Child." > This will almost certainly result in misunderstandings and > confusion, and will not cause developers to rush to support Mozilla. > The alert should say that there was an error loading the > javascript for the page, rather than attacking the site's designers. > (Note - if a site does not take Moz into account, it is MOST likely to > manifest in bad browser-sniffing, which will not be caught by said > trap.) > (By The Way... what ever happened to the javascript console?? We need > this...) > > Also, on caching... > Once build 2000030416 cannot load a .js or .css, they stay missing, > refusing to reload even though the files ARE available, and corrupting > display of pages which previously used them. > 2000030113 did not exhibit this behaviour. > > > From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:32 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Stuart Ballard Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.mozilla.jseng Subject: Re: New javascript error dialog - BAD! Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 17:25:02 +0000 Organization: NetReach Lines: 41 Message-ID: <38C53B6E.8FEA0D14@netreach.net> References: <38C31C16.956685FE@io.com> <38C358C7.45D99FC3@weirdness.com> <38C39D41.81470ADA@logica.com> <38C3A83F.A538A410@lemnet.com> <38C3BC60.B35D6A7C@logica.com> <38C40506.E69B690B@netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: rainbow.netreach.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i586) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.general:16980 netscape.public.mozilla.jseng:1404 John Bandhauer wrote: > > It *should* be a console that does not popup at all. But, this > was an expedient fix that we just barely got in under the tight > beta1 checkin restrictions because we believe that *any* > reporting of JS errors is better than *no* reporting. It is easy > to say what ought to be. There are a lot of people working on > stuff far more important than this. A popup error message was > good enough for Nav 3 and it is good enough now. It does popup > more than one might want, and for various reasons. There are > still things to fix in mozilla and lots of pages in the world to > be fixed. Give it time. I would still suggest making a change to the wording. How about something like: ---- "This may indicate that the site does not comply with W3C industry standards and therefore may not work perfectly with Mozilla." ---- or maybe something more detailed and brutal like: ---- "This may indicate that the site is written to work only with specific browsers, and should be updated to support Mozilla (or better yet to support the W3C industry standards which will work with other browsers too)." ---- I agree with the original poster that implying that pages need to be "updated for mozilla" positions mozilla as if it were intentionally breaking everyone's pages, when in fact the exact opposite is true - the pages are intentionally breaking non NS4/IE browsers. Presumably just changing the text of the message would be legal even under stringent checkin rules. I like the idea of using a popup for javascript errors; with the existing NS4 implementation they are too easy to miss. Any thoughts? Stuart. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:32 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Terry Weissman Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: What kind of crap is this??? Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 17:46:21 +0000 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 17 Message-ID: <38C5406D.742C167E@geocast.com> References: <38AB96AE.DF99E983@weirdness.com> <38AC598E.54B8945B@netscape.com> <38AC62D9.B84DC1D2@weirdness.com> <38AC8327.33FE7E22@ucdavis.edu> <38AC8B76.356D9041@qlink.queensu.ca> <38AD8944.26AE18F7@weirdness.com> <38B2CE1A.C046B992@geocast.com> <38C2F14F.2C9C49B8@box.net.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: dome.sfo.geocast.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686) X-Accept-Language: en Matthew Tuck wrote: > Why not base it on the number of voters instead of the number of votes? Because then I would get whining of "gee, I'm using up all my votes on this bug, and it's not having any different effect than it would if I had used only one!" I can't win. > As a matter of fact, why not allow both metrics as Bugzilla columns? Probably not a bad idea, though implementing it is kind of a pain. (Well, to be more specific, implementing the current column was a pain and a hack, and I'd have to double the pain to get the other column.) - Terry From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:32 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!pixie.netscape.com!eli From: Eli Goldberg Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Guidelines when confirming bugs, and list of top 100 sites Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 11:35:59 -0800 Organization: Netscape Communications Corp. Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <89ss0r$9aq1@secnews.netscape.com> <38C2B171.1020607@NOSPAMmath.berkeley.edu> <89uith$gg41@secnews.netscape.com> <38C2DD87.1090608@NOSPAMmath.berkeley.edu> <38C355EF.494CDE9F@netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.12.39.187 Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.0 (PPC) Hi! Sorry for slow response to this thread, was busy puking my guts out yesterday morning, and didn't want to follow up until brain was fully operational. ;) > A "how to help analyze existing bug reports" page would be great. Your > answers would be a great start for such a page. And I'm sure we can come > up > with some more question : ) Just FYI, before we had the Unconfirmed state --- and the primary bug screening work was for Browser-General bugs --- I wrote a tutorial to teach just that. It's at http://www.mozilla.org/quality/browser/prescreening.html It was written specifically to teach net.community folks how to pre-screen browser-general bugs. If it would save time, anyone is welcome to borrow/adapt/steal any of the content as part of a "how to help analyze existing bug reports" page. -- --- elig disclaimer: all opinions in this message are my own, and not those of netscape communications corporation. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:32 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Daniel Veditz Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: No subject was specified. Followup-To: netscape.public.mozilla.security Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 12:11:23 -0800 Organization: Speaking only for myself Lines: 24 Message-ID: <38C5626B.359251CE@netscape.com> References: <38C2B6F4.9060105@earthlink.net> <38C2B94F.16B1CE59@endoframe.com> <38C2C54B.3E80C498@weirdness.com> <38C35CB0.358B5199@netscape.com> <38C3704A.FC432EF7@weirdness.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-208-12-39-196.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Jerry Baker wrote: > > Daniel Veditz wrote: > > > > You can, of course, simply disallow window.open() from any or all sites. > > See http://www.mozilla.org/projects/security/components/configPolicy.html > > > > (there is no UI for this "power user" feature, but hopefully someone will > > figure that out one of these days.) > > > > -Dan Veditz > > That is extremely cool. Now where do we get to work on being able to > globally allow onClick, onmousedown, onmouseup, etc. window.open(), but > disallow onload, onmouseover, onblur, etc.? ;-) The capabilities system works by restricting access to properties of standard DOM objects. Other than window.open() the things you list are events which would require that somebody create a different mechanism. This discussion should really move to the netscape.public.mozilla.security newsgroup if it's going to delve into more details or requests. -Dan Veditz From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:33 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: John Morrison Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Viewer component Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 14:38:56 -0800 Organization: Netscape Lines: 40 Message-ID: <38C58500.348B9863@netscape.com> References: <8a07td$k35$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <38C46491.395582@netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-208-12-39-231.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: Maarten Albrecht Maarten Albrecht wrote: > > And can it be done in Linux? > Yes, I believe so. Alexander Larsson has written code to embed gecko in a GTK app. See http://lxr.mozilla.org/seamonkey/source/webshell/embed/gtk/ John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Morrison > Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general > Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 3:08 AM > Subject: Re: Viewer component > > > dkh wrote: > > > > > > Has anyone put together an HTML viewer component using Mozilla sources? > > > I would like to put together a Win32 app using an browser component, > > > but am looking for a component that can support a lot of the stuff in > > > IE/Netscape, such as Javascript. Any suggestions welcome. Please email > > > a copy of any replies also. > > > > Yes. See http://www.iol.ie/~locka/mozilla/mozilla.htm for the Adam Lock's > > Mozilla ActiveX Control Project. > > > > More discussion on this is done in netscape.public.mozilla.embedding > > (a.k.a. mozilla-embedding@mozilla.org as a mailing list). > > > > Cheers, > > John > > > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > d.k. henderson > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > > Before you buy. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:33 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!pixie.netscape.com!eli From: Eli Goldberg Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Guidelines when confirming bugs, and list of top 100 sites Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 14:41:17 -0800 Organization: Netscape Communications Corp. Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: <89ss0r$9aq1@secnews.netscape.com> <38C2B171.1020607@NOSPAMmath.berkeley.edu> <89uith$gg41@secnews.netscape.com> <38C2DD87.1090608@NOSPAMmath.berkeley.edu> <38C355EF.494CDE9F@netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.12.39.187 Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.0 (PPC) In article <38C355EF.494CDE9F@netscape.com>, Eric Krock wrote: > You've asked a set of great questions. It would be great if we could > update > the bug writing guidelines or bug handling instructions somewhere to > capture > this info. Maybe we need a "how to help analyze existing bug reports" > page > distinct from the new bug writing guidelines? or just to add this info to > the > bugathon page? Not sure. cc:ing elig for his thoughts. Basically, yes, the bug writing guidelines were meant for mid-level bug reporters, and to be as brief as possible. To ensure they remain useful for as many people as possible, I definitely wouldn't bloat the bug reports with special cases that only affect 1-2% of bug reports, but would be happy to link to any 3rd party tutorials, such as a "How to Help Analyze Existing Bug Reports". (As noted, there's already a document to that effect, but specific for browser-general bugs. Now that we have confirmed/unconfirmed bugs, providing another low-learning curve opportunity for folks who'd like to get getting involved with Mozilla, and who could use a page explaining the ropes.) -- --- elig disclaimer: all opinions in this message are my own, and not those of netscape communications corporation. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:33 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Seth Spitzer Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.xpinstall,netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.mozilla.layout Subject: Re: nsApprunner Start-up query... Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 22:02:23 -0800 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 70 Message-ID: <38C5ECEF.F1AE4B8C@netscape.com> References: <38C33EAB.B7A0F0B7@clubi.ie> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-198-93-95-130.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-AOLNSCP (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: Brian King Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.xpinstall:43 netscape.public.mozilla.general:16986 netscape.public.mozilla.layout:6903 Brian King wrote: > I have a query about the various swiches used to start up Mozilla (-edit > for Ender, -mail for Messenger...). These used to be all handled in > nsApprunner, but sometime recently seemed to have been stripped out and > replaced with a different implemenation. That would be my doing. The old way was not modular and if you wanted to add a new command line switch, you had to hack nsAppRunner.cpp I re-wrote it to use XPCOM categories and the nsICmdLineHander interface. > Would it be possible to get a brief summary of what goes on now during > start-up. Where is the parameter checking occuring, and what function > are they passed to, to launch the application. > I was thinking > particularly about the editor. Is this now handled in > nsEditorService.cpp? Yes. > Is it possible to add your own component, using a different comand line > switch (e.g. '-myapp') and pass chrome URL to start up with? Yes. All you have to do is implement the nsICmdLineHandler interface and register with the category manager. The good news, is this is easy to do from C++. The CMDLINEHANDLER_IMPL macro that I wrote makes implementing the nsICmdLineHandler interface a one line job. (see nsICmdLineHandler.idl) You basically pass it some arguments and it does all the work. To register with the category manager, you add CMDLINEHANDLER_REGISTERPROC_DECLS to your class declaration. The CMDLINEHANDLER_IMPL macro also implements the RegisterProc() and UnregisterProc() methods which register / unregister the progid for your class with the category manager under "command-line-argument-handlers" to get "-edit" to work, look at: nsEditorService.h (for CMDLINEHANDLER_REGISTERPROC_DECLS usage) nsEditorService.cpp (for CMDLINEHANDLER_IMPL usage) nsEditorRegistration.cpp (because editor uses a generic module, it is real easy. search for nsEditorService::RegisterProc and nsEditorService::UnregisterProc in that file.) I guess what I really need to do is write up proper documentation on the nsICmdLineHandler interface, how to use the macros, and how nsAppRunner.cpp works. I've skipped over how "general.startup.*" prefs get registered, and how all this relates to "-help", and why some command line arguments (the profile ones, like -CreateProfile, -ProfileManager, etc) don't use this scheme (yet). It is also possible to implement all this in JS. I plan on doing that for -chat (to launch chatzilla). I'll put all that (and more) in the documentation I am writing. The current version of the doc lives at http://www.mozilla.org/docs/command-line-args.html -Seth From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:33 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: kc Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: bug 22658 - modal dialog/focus problem Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 07:49:37 -0600 Organization: nowhere Lines: 5 Message-ID: <38C65A71.3B8B283A@nowhere.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1Cust196.tnt2.minneapolis.mn.da.uu.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Before I go and add anything to this in bugzilla, I want to find out if the work being done on this is more global than just the specific cases mentioned involving prefs windows. The same problem with losing focus happens with javascript alert dialogs as well. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:33 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Erik Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: 'feature' from navigator... Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 11:49:03 -0500 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 14 Message-ID: <38C6847E.82A3C01E@theALLIEDgroup.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.216.242.146 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en In Navigator I could do this: and I would get the image. I know this is from RFC2397 and I don't think it ever made it into a 'standard', as such, but am wondering if there was ever talk of supporting this in Mozilla. thanks for any information, ~erik From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:33 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Steve Morrison Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: 'feature' from navigator... Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 11:58:21 -0500 Organization: http://superpages.com Lines: 21 Message-ID: <38C686AD.665E2B9E@gte.com> References: <38C6847E.82A3C01E@theALLIEDgroup.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: h132-197-104-107.gte.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Have you tried this in mozilla? It should work, though I'm not sure if there are any bugs in it. -Steve Erik wrote: > > In Navigator I could do this: > > > > and I would get the image. > > I know this is from RFC2397 and I don't think it ever made it into a > 'standard', as such, but am wondering if there was ever talk of > supporting this in Mozilla. > > thanks for any information, > ~erik From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:33 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Jerry Baker Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: bug 22658 - modal dialog/focus problem Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 09:01:36 -0800 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 15 Message-ID: <38C68770.6CEBED90@weirdness.com> References: <38C65A71.3B8B283A@nowhere.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lsanca1-ar3-147-141.dsl.gtei.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.71 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en kc wrote: > > Before I go and add anything to this in bugzilla, I want to find out if > the work being done on this is more global than just the specific cases > mentioned involving prefs windows. The same problem with losing focus > happens with javascript alert dialogs as well. It happens with every window that I know of. Mozilla is currently a big pile of focus trouble ;-) -- Jerry Baker PGP Mail Preferred Key: http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x09DE91C6 From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:33 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Erik Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: 'feature' from navigator... Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 13:07:25 -0500 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 29 Message-ID: <38C696DD.18DDA439@theALLIEDgroup.com> References: <38C6847E.82A3C01E@theALLIEDgroup.com> <38C686AD.665E2B9E@gte.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.216.242.146 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en yes, i have tried it with several builds up to and including yesterday's nightly. If it is supposed to be in there I could file a bug. Also did a query in Bugzilla but didn't find anything regarding this problem. ~erik Steve Morrison wrote: > Have you tried this in mozilla? It should work, though I'm not sure > if there are any bugs in it. > > -Steve > > Erik wrote: > > > > In Navigator I could do this: > > > > > > > > and I would get the image. > > > > I know this is from RFC2397 and I don't think it ever made it into a > > 'standard', as such, but am wondering if there was ever talk of > > supporting this in Mozilla. > > > > thanks for any information, > > ~erik From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:33 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!gateway From: olaf@bigred.inka.de (Olaf Titz) Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Guidelines when confirming bugs, and list of top 100 sites Date: 8 Mar 2000 18:48:14 GMT Organization: private Linux site, southern Germany Lines: 13 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: h-207-200-73-41.netscape.com To: mozilla-general@mozilla.org > * a list of the official "top 100" sites > I could'a sworn that QA had posted this on the mozilla site, but I can't find > it. For now, I've pasted it inline below. With the sole exception of demon.net, not a single non-US site AFAICT, and nothing which would warrant "international" features such as non-ASCII charsets... Just an observation. Olaf From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:33 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Robert O'Callahan Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: 'feature' from navigator... Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 13:48:31 -0500 Organization: Carnegie Mellon University Lines: 16 Message-ID: <38C6A07F.1D013CE3@cs.cmu.edu> References: <38C6847E.82A3C01E@theALLIEDgroup.com> <38C686AD.665E2B9E@gte.com> <38C696DD.18DDA439@theALLIEDgroup.com> Reply-To: roc+@cs.cmu.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: MAJESTY.FAC.CS.CMU.EDU Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en Erik wrote: > yes, i have tried it with several builds up to and including > yesterday's nightly. If it is supposed to be in there I could file a > bug. Also did a query in Bugzilla but didn't find anything regarding > this problem. It is there. It does have bugs, but I've managed to make it work in some cases. Rob -- [Robert O'Callahan http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~roc 6th year CMU CS PhD student "I have seen the burden God has laid on men. He has made everything beautiful in its time. He has also set eternity in the hearts of men; yet they cannot fathom what God has done from beginning to end." --- Ecclesiastes 3:10-11] From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:33 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Erik Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: 'feature' from navigator... Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 13:59:48 -0500 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 10 Message-ID: <38C6A324.CBEC100A@theALLIEDgroup.com> References: <38C6847E.82A3C01E@theALLIEDgroup.com> <38C686AD.665E2B9E@gte.com> <38C696DD.18DDA439@theALLIEDgroup.com> <38C6A07F.1D013CE3@cs.cmu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.216.242.146 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en Thanks for the response. Any insight on the factors that cause it to work/not work? ~erik Robert O'Callahan wrote: > It is there. It does have bugs, but I've managed to make it work in some > cases. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:33 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!gateway From: dalekh@hotmail.com (dale henderson) Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: mingw support Date: 8 Mar 2000 19:20:33 GMT Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 3 Message-ID: <8a6961$fo2e@eGroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-207-200-73-41.netscape.com To: mozilla-general@mozilla.org Has anyone done a build using the mingw/cygwin compiler? From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:33 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: kc Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: bug 22658 - modal dialog/focus problem Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 13:26:50 -0600 Organization: nowhere Lines: 23 Message-ID: <38C6A97A.4959FA8B@nowhere.com> References: <38C65A71.3B8B283A@nowhere.com> <38C68770.6CEBED90@weirdness.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1Cust114.tnt2.minneapolis.mn.da.uu.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Jerry Baker wrote: > kc wrote: > > > > Before I go and add anything to this in bugzilla, I want to find out if > > the work being done on this is more global than just the specific cases > > mentioned involving prefs windows. The same problem with losing focus > > happens with javascript alert dialogs as well. > > It happens with every window that I know of. Mozilla is currently a big > pile of focus trouble ;-) Yeah, so I've noticed. Can't wait for all these little quirks to get resolved... It's still pretty cool, nonetheless. > > > -- > Jerry Baker > > PGP Mail Preferred > Key: http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x09DE91C6 From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:33 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Jonathon Longman Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Binaries for IRIX 6.5 Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 14:58:53 -0500 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 28 Message-ID: <38C6B0FC.69398F2A@discreet.com> References: <38AC4880.61E77EE9@cs.nps.navy.mil> <38AC6938.51437958@lemnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: internetgtwy.discreet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; IRIX 6.5 IP32) X-Accept-Language: en Lemming wrote: > Mithat Daglar wrote: > > > Hi everybody, > > Is there an address that I can download mozilla binaries for IRIX 6.5? > > There are ones for 6.3, will these not do? > They are at ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/nightly/latest/ The Irix binaries haven't worked in months. Many many months. As near as I can tell, theres something wacky in the assembler source in xptcall, wrt to stubs etc. At least as a first hurdle. When 6.3 was part of the build it was orange. For over 6 months. I don't have the tech-xpertise to fix it, or I would have. Notscape ain't fast enough on my tricked out O2. -- #include longman@discreet.com Discreet Logic, Inc. 514-954-7498 (o) Montreal, Canada 514-393-0110 (f) From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:33 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: John Bandhauer Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Binaries for IRIX 6.5 Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 12:23:59 -0800 Organization: minions of mozilla Lines: 33 Message-ID: <38C6B6DF.A78931F8@netscape.com> References: <38AC4880.61E77EE9@cs.nps.navy.mil> <38AC6938.51437958@lemnet.com> <38C6B0FC.69398F2A@discreet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-205-217-243-23.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Jonathon Longman wrote: > > Lemming wrote: > > > Mithat Daglar wrote: > > > > > Hi everybody, > > > Is there an address that I can download mozilla binaries for IRIX 6.5? > > > > There are ones for 6.3, will these not do? > > They are at ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/nightly/latest/ > > The Irix binaries haven't worked in months. Many many months. As near as > I can tell, theres something wacky in the assembler source in xptcall, wrt > to stubs etc. At least as a first hurdle. When 6.3 was part of the build > it was orange. For over 6 months. > > I don't have the tech-xpertise to fix it, or I would have. Notscape ain't > fast enough on my tricked out O2. > > -- > > #include > longman@discreet.com Discreet Logic, Inc. > 514-954-7498 (o) Montreal, Canada > 514-393-0110 (f) See: http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10061 Someone with the skill and inclination is going to have to step up. John. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:33 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Raneman Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Menu Changes - ToolBar Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 15:22:34 -0800 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 39 Message-ID: <38C6E0BA.1D44@linkline.com> Reply-To: raneman@REMOVElinkline.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dsl-gte-gr12446-1.linkline.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I) Dear All: This may not be the right group to post to, but, have tried 4 other NS Groups without solution, so, please forgive my hoping someone here can help: This problem beats all, as the title bar menu in NS 3.04gold has been altered by programming from a Japanese search engine: "Kaixi Search Engine" http://www2d.biglobe.ne.jp/~kinryou/cgi/index.html Starting with title bar heading "Bookmarks" the menu reads down, including that in the following order: Bookmarks Add Bookmark CTRL+D Go to Bookmarks CTRL+B Kaixi Search Engine (which takes me to the URL noted above) How it got on my menu beats me, except I may have accessed this Japanese language only site in error and some how it infected my menu. How to get it off my menu also beats me. I have searched high and low in the base program Netscape.exe for "Kaixi" to no avail. If the programming is in Japanese I would not recognize. I have also searched my -C- drive and Windows Registry for any of the "terms" Kaixi/Search/www2D, to no avail. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks, Gordon -- •••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••• • To REPLY please take "REMOVE" out of EMail address • •••••••• LinkLine.Com ADSL 768/128Kbps ROCKS ••••••••• •••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••• From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:33 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Sam Grossberg Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Menu Changes - ToolBar Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 17:49:59 -0600 Organization: @Home Network Lines: 44 Message-ID: <38C6E727.CC6A2F33@home.com> References: <38C6E0BA.1D44@linkline.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: c194222-a.hlndpk1.il.home.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-AtHome0407 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en This is NOT a normal Netscape newsgroup. This is for Mozilla, the open source alpha for Netscape 5.0. Raneman wrote: > > Dear All: > > This may not be the right group to post to, but, have tried 4 other > NS Groups without solution, so, please forgive my hoping someone here > can help: > > This problem beats all, as the title bar menu in NS 3.04gold has been > altered by programming from a Japanese search engine: > > "Kaixi Search Engine" http://www2d.biglobe.ne.jp/~kinryou/cgi/index.html > > Starting with title bar heading "Bookmarks" the menu reads down, > including that in the following order: > > Bookmarks > Add Bookmark CTRL+D > Go to Bookmarks CTRL+B > Kaixi Search Engine (which takes me to the URL noted above) > > How it got on my menu beats me, except I may have accessed this Japanese > language only site in error and some how it infected my menu. > > How to get it off my menu also beats me. I have searched high and low in > the base program Netscape.exe for "Kaixi" to no avail. If the > programming is in Japanese I would not recognize. > > I have also searched my -C- drive and Windows Registry for any of the > "terms" Kaixi/Search/www2D, to no avail. > > Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Gordon > -- > •••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••• > • To REPLY please take "REMOVE" out of EMail address • > •••••••• LinkLine.Com ADSL 768/128Kbps ROCKS ••••••••• > •••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••• From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:33 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Sam Grossberg Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Profile Help Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 17:54:08 -0600 Organization: @Home Network Lines: 4 Message-ID: <38C6E820.87EE6547@home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: c194222-a.hlndpk1.il.home.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-AtHome0407 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en I am trying to import my Netscape portfolio, without avail. It worked fine in M13, but I don't feel like going back. On the mozilla.org web page, it says to use the command line, but that also seems to be gone in M14. Does anyone know how to manage profiles in Mozilla? Thanx. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:33 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Bob Crawford Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Bugzilla and voting... Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 19:16:04 -0600 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 18 Message-ID: <38C6FB54.5020905@powerclam.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cs9351-169.austin.rr.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; N; NT4.0; en-US; m14) X-Accept-Language: en The voting scheme will only allow one vote per bug, but the "Help, I don't understand this VOTING stuff"... (http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/votehelp.html) ... page plainly says that you may allot more than one vote per bug. Someone please square this situation (preferrably by allowing users to spend multiple votes per bug,) (damned moz-mail/news editor has a LONG way to go... Will not allow links yet, loses focus, will not set font, etc etc etc...) (posted with moz, sorry if it is whacky, God only knows what this thing will really post......) From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:33 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Brian King Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.xpinstall,netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.mozilla.layout Subject: Re: nsApprunner Start-up query... Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 22:37:32 -0800 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 14 Message-ID: <38C746AC.E9FB0F66@clubi.ie> References: <38C33EAB.B7A0F0B7@clubi.ie> <38C5ECEF.F1AE4B8C@netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: sylvia.clubi.ie Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.xpinstall:47 netscape.public.mozilla.general:17000 netscape.public.mozilla.layout:6919 Seth Spitzer wrote: > Yes. All you have to do is implement the nsICmdLineHandler interface and > register with the category manager. > > The good news, is this is easy to do from C++. > The current version of the doc lives at > http://www.mozilla.org/docs/command-line-args.html That's great info Seth. I have a look at it at the weekend, and implement it. Thanks and also to Dan. -Brian From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:33 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Robert Kaiser Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.mozilla.webtools Subject: Re: Bugzilla and voting... Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 14:36:59 +0100 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 33 Message-ID: <38C7A8FB.D37A9389@StarTrekMail.com> References: <38C6FB54.5020905@powerclam.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: server.hirsch.sth.ac.at Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [de] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: de-AT,de,en-US,en,it Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.general:17007 netscape.public.mozilla.webtools:1307 The "votehelp" page does need an update. Some time ago, you could use up to 5 votes per bug for every product but due to some changes browser and mailnews products now allow only one vote per bug. Webtools still allow to use up to 5 votes per bug. They needed to do that due to some other changes (the "unconfirmed" state - which gets "new" if there are enough bugs). I'm cross-posting that to the webtools NG 'cause BugZilla is part of webtools... Terry (am I right bugzilla is your thing?), I think there should be an update to http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/votehelp.html including new voting rules and the influence of votes to the "unconfirmed" state... Robert Kaiser Bob Crawford wrote: > The voting scheme will only allow one vote per bug, but the "Help, I > don't understand this VOTING stuff"... > > (http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/votehelp.html) > ... page plainly says that you may allot more than one vote per bug. > Someone please square this situation (preferrably by allowing users to > spend multiple votes per bug,) > > (damned moz-mail/news editor has a LONG way to go... Will not allow > links yet, loses focus, will not set font, etc etc etc...) > (posted with moz, sorry if it is whacky, God only knows what this thing > will really post......) From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:33 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Terry Weissman Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.mozilla.webtools Subject: Re: Bugzilla and voting... Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 18:19:06 +0000 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 26 Message-ID: <38C7EB1A.E2250F7B@geocast.com> References: <38C6FB54.5020905@powerclam.com> <38C7A8FB.D37A9389@StarTrekMail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dome.sfo.geocast.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.general:17008 netscape.public.mozilla.webtools:1314 Robert Kaiser wrote: > > The "votehelp" page does need an update. Some time ago, you could use up to > 5 votes per bug for every product but due to some changes browser and > mailnews products now allow only one vote per bug. Webtools still allow to > use up to 5 votes per bug. > > They needed to do that due to some other changes (the "unconfirmed" state - > which gets "new" if there are enough bugs). > > I'm cross-posting that to the webtools NG 'cause BugZilla is part of > webtools... > > Terry (am I right bugzilla is your thing?), I think there should be an > update to http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/votehelp.html including new voting > rules and the influence of votes to the "unconfirmed" state... Yes, this is all true. I have submitted a bug against myself to this effect: http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31180 I will happily take a look at any text that anyone wants to submit for this! - Terry From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:33 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!news.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: Chris Sears Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: getSelection in Mozilla Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 13:11:21 -0800 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 15 Message-ID: <38C81379.47A8E950@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.6e.e9.97 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 9 Mar 2000 21:09:26 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.13-7mdk i686) X-Accept-Language: en I am writing a simple cool XUL hack for Mozilla. So far, I've written the XUL which was clean and easy. But I'm stuck on a JavaScript nub. In Navigator 4 getSelection() gets the current selection from a document. This doesn't work with Mozilla. How does one do this in Mozilla? In general, is there a reference for Mozilla JavaScript I should be looking at? Chris Sears cbsears@ix.netcom.com From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:33 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ70!supernews.com!remarQ69!WReNclone!WReNphoon2.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail X-Originating-Host: 207.178.54.242 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here Subject: benchmarking web page load sequence Lines: 23 From: georgew Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Message-ID: <28717e21.be209887@usw-ex0106-046.remarq.com> Bytes: 773 X-Wren-Trace: eN340NHIj8WOmszayprZ9MLPxNSW3ZLMyNje25rKy5CSic2Lncyfi5+JjZaByZw= Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 14:29:11 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.46 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon2 952640678 10.0.2.46 (Thu, 09 Mar 2000 14:24:38 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 14:24:38 PST Hi: I'd very much like to benchmark how a page is loaded by the netscape browser, at which point certain areas of the page become visible to the user, in other words, capturing the web browser status lines and the time at which they appear as well as calls to whatever routine(s) draw the web page on the screen. I can see delving into netscape code and doing this myself, but is there a tool out there which already does this? Because I'd also be interested in finding this information out for (gasp) Internet Explorer, and there, of course, I do not have access to the code. Thanks, George * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:33 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Scott I. Remick Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Thanks for the crypto!!! Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 17:33:54 -0500 Organization: Computer Alternatives, Inc. Lines: 16 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: scott.computeralt.com X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.20 I just want to toss out a huge THANK YOU to everyone involved in getting the crypto build of M14 out. I just got it going and it's been working BEAUTIFULLY so far. I can now do 100% of my daily browsing in Mozilla, only kicking up Communicator 4.72 and IE5 when I need to compare output for the sake of bug-hunting. The installation of the crypto PSM was painless and smooth. I was VERY impressed. You guys kick ass... keep up the good work!!! ----------------------- Scott I. Remick scott@computeralt.com Network and Information (802)388-7545 ext. 236 Systems Manager FAX:(802)388-3697 Computer Alternatives, Inc. http://www.computeralt.com From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:33 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Eugene Savitsky Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Thanks for the crypto!!! Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 01:06:21 +0200 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 11 Message-ID: <38C82E6D.12B5B728@infonet.ee> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ezh.infonet.ee Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en > I just want to toss out a huge THANK YOU to everyone involved in getting > the crypto build of M14 out. I just got it going and it's been working > BEAUTIFULLY so far. I can now do 100% of my daily browsing in Mozilla, > only kicking up Communicator 4.72 and IE5 when I need to compare output > for the sake of bug-hunting. > > The installation of the crypto PSM was painless and smooth. I was VERY > impressed. When It will be includud in nightly builds? From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:33 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Lemming Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: benchmarking web page load sequence Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 23:17:11 +0000 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 36 Message-ID: <38C830F7.E0318788@lemnet.com> References: <28717e21.be209887@usw-ex0106-046.remarq.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: usr1274-kno.cableinet.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en georgew wrote: > Hi: > I'd very much like to benchmark how a page is loaded > by the netscape browser, at which point certain areas of > the page become visible to the user, in other words, > capturing the web browser status lines and the time at > which they appear as well as calls to whatever routine(s) > draw the web page on the screen. > > I can see delving into netscape code and doing this myself, > but is there a tool out there which already does this? > Because I'd also be interested in finding this information > out for (gasp) Internet Explorer, and there, of course, I > do not have access to the code. > > Thanks, > > George > > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * > The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! If you grab on of the debug builds (where can you get these?) it comes with a DOS-style 'console' window saying what Seamonkey is doing. That may or may not be enough. There may also be a way to time-log what is happening (at the very least you can use Lotus Screencam or it's equivilents). Any other ideas people? Thanks, Lemming, LemNet Manager http://www.lemnet.com/banners/ - Free targeted advertising http://www.lemnet.com/domains/ - Is your domain available? http://www.lemnet.com/guestbooks/ - Free guestbooks From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:33 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Davidspost@Mixrosoft.com Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Important question about the Client Customizable Kit Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 18:29:05 -0500 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 32 Message-ID: <38C833C1.7FF9AF80@Mixrosoft.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-151-203-19-25.bellatlantic.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Now that I've read about Netscape making their code more open, they really ought to lift the restrictions on the CCK, the Customer Customizable Kit that lets you tweak a lot of things about Netscape. The biggest requirement of using the CCK essentially seems to be not messing with their default search going to Netscape's site. That, of course, is one of the things I would like do most! The CCK already has all the forms in place and presumably works. The only catch is that the license tells you not to change those fields. If Netscape is going to be open source with the intend of being more customizable, it would make a lot of sense to immediately lift the requirement for customizing user to not change the search method. IF you can't give me an authoritative response, please EMAIL me if you can with a suggestion on how to get a real person at Netscape that can could actually GIVE PERMISSION for me to type in my new intended URL to run the search for me. If I can simply get a "YES" to customizing this in Netscape, and entering in a new URL actually works, it means that I can immediately get to work setting up the our entire server based software to work with Netscape as well having our website promoting such a product. Thanks!!! [Any Email reply is appreciated. Even the flames.] Crossposted: Various other netscape groups. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:33 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Davidspost@Mixrosoft.com Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.mozilla.wishlist Subject: About Mail clients bundled with the Browsers Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 18:54:00 -0500 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 45 Message-ID: <38C83998.E83B8BEA@Mixrosoft.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-151-203-19-25.bellatlantic.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.general:17019 netscape.public.mozilla.wishlist:9344 I've been obsessing with the evils of bundling ever since you-know-who po'ed the DOJ by bundling you-know-what with you-know-what version-number-you-know-when. But the same applies to Navigator being bundled with the messenger. Now both Navigator and Messenger are my favorite products in their class. But here is a list of three major problem: 1. It tends to eat up more memory. No matter how big computers tend to be, I'd always liked programs to be smaller, leaner and more reliable. I'd open up literally 70 netscape windows (most minimized waiting to be read) if it were possible. 2. My choice of browser shouldn't dictate my choice of mailer of vice versa. If I really like Navigator 5.0 I should be able to continue to use Messenger 4.5 if that happens to be my favorite mailer. Likewise I might love Messenger 5.0 but prefer to use the leaner Navigator 4.5 as my browser that day. 3. Anticompetative. It's just not fair for a browser company to tie in a mailer because it puts mailer-only company at a disadvantage. Smaller companies who might be able to make a still better mailer become more reluctant to try since they don't have anything to tie it to. In the long run, there's less competition and less new ideas and everyone suffers. 4. It sets a really bad example. (See #3 immediately above and extrapolate to you-know-who and you-know-what.) Now, I know this is a Mozilla group, but I'm not going to apologies for talking Netscape here because my point is a generalized pale to not do this sort of thing. If Mozilla is released with an mailer, please be sure that you the user can easier run one with out the other one needing to load for sake of reasons 1 & 2. And please don't ever release offical versions of them together in the same download file for the reasons of 3 & 4 above. Thanks! From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:33 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Lemming Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.mozilla.wishlist Subject: Re: About Mail clients bundled with the Browsers Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 00:24:42 +0000 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 71 Message-ID: <38C840CA.549A4E86@lemnet.com> References: <38C83998.E83B8BEA@Mixrosoft.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: usr1274-kno.cableinet.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.general:17020 netscape.public.mozilla.wishlist:9345 Davidspost@Mixrosoft.com wrote: > I've been obsessing with the evils of bundling ever since > you-know-who po'ed the DOJ by bundling you-know-what with > you-know-what version-number-you-know-when. > > But the same applies to Navigator being bundled with the > messenger. > > Now both Navigator and Messenger are my favorite products > in their class. But here is a list of three major problem: > > 1. It tends to eat up more memory. No matter how big computers > tend to be, I'd always liked programs to be smaller, leaner > and more reliable. I'd open up literally 70 netscape windows > (most minimized waiting to be read) if it were possible. Wrong. A well designed application will actually eat up _less_ memory if it is bundled. Take, say, messenger, as an example. For the preview panel it uses Navigator. That is already one thing which doesn't need to be loaded. Then there is the newsgroups, with many of the functions being shared the memory load is less. > 2. My choice of browser shouldn't dictate my choice of mailer > of vice versa. If I really like Navigator 5.0 I should be > able to continue to use Messenger 4.5 if that happens to be > my favorite mailer. Likewise I might love Messenger 5.0 but > prefer to use the leaner Navigator 4.5 as my browser that day. You can. At least with Nav 4.5 and Outlook Express. When you click a mailto: link in navigator it will open up your default mail client, which for most people is messenger. You can't expect them to put Eudora on the quick launch bar though. > 3. Anticompetative. It's just not fair for a browser company > to tie in a mailer because it puts mailer-only company at > a disadvantage. Smaller companies who might be able to make > a still better mailer become more reluctant to try since they > don't have anything to tie it to. > > In the long run, there's less competition and less new ideas > and everyone suffers. True, but, at least in the mail reader case, I believe the benefits out weight the disadvantages. > 4. It sets a really bad example. (See #3 immediately above and > extrapolate to you-know-who and you-know-what.) The same as above really. > Now, I know this is a Mozilla group, but I'm not going to apologies > for talking Netscape here because my point is a generalized pale > to not do this sort of thing. You should neven need to appologise if you have valid points. > If Mozilla is released with an mailer, please be sure that you the user > can easier run one with out the other one needing to load for sake of > reasons 1 & 2. You can run navigator without the mail, but for the mail you need navigator to read HTML email and composer to write HTML email. The same would be true for any email client. > And please don't ever release offical versions of them together in the same > download file for the reasons of 3 & 4 above. > > Thanks! There will be a navigator-only version of Seamonkey, and I would expect Netscape too. Thanks, Lemming, LemNet Manager http://www.lemnet.com/banners/ - Free targeted advertising http://www.lemnet.com/domains/ - Is your domain available? http://www.lemnet.com/guestbooks/ - Free guestbooks From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:33 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Marshall Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: getSelection in Mozilla Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 20:39:09 -0500 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 19 Message-ID: <38C8523D.E008B279@pssnet.com> References: <38C81379.47A8E950@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: HSE-Toronto-ppp86398.sympatico.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en > In Navigator 4 getSelection() gets the current selection > from a document. This doesn't work with Mozilla. > How does one do this in Mozilla? Well, I can't tell you how, but take a look at the Composer JavaScript in one of the builds. Enter some text and make it bold or something. Select that text and go to the insert menu. If you say insert HTML a dialog will come up with the currently selected html in text form. > In general, is there a reference for Mozilla JavaScript > I should be looking at? I've only found 2 places to look for Javascript unfortunatly. One of them is the w3c.org which is really hard to read. A cool site (Although not complete yet) is http://dhtmlfiend.cjb.net/ (Make sure to view it in mozilla... it looks better) That lists off the DOM (The commands like document.getElementById used in Javascript) and it even has some normal text descriptions. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:33 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Marshall Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: benchmarking web page load sequence Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 20:45:43 -0500 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 20 Message-ID: <38C853C7.2A2D8713@pssnet.com> References: <28717e21.be209887@usw-ex0106-046.remarq.com> <38C830F7.E0318788@lemnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: HSE-Toronto-ppp86398.sympatico.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en > If you grab on of the debug builds (where can you get these?) ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/nightly/latest/ > it comes with a DOS-style 'console' window saying what Seamonkey is doing. Not any more. That was disabled a couple of weeks ago. You need to actually compile the code with the consol turned on in order to do that. > Any other ideas people? Well, there is already benchmarking code which the people writing Mozilla use. It slows down the browser a lot when its enabled... so you need to compile the code with that turned on in order to see the results. There are also benchmarking products out there. Take a look around, I'm sure you'll be able to find one (Not sure if it would be free though). I believe Rational Visual Test (For visual studio) can record macro's and then return the time it took but I'm not 100% sure. That software runs on the final executable as well so you would be able to benchmark both browsers. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:33 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Marshall Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.mozilla.wishlist Subject: Re: About Mail clients bundled with the Browsers Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 21:01:49 -0500 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 18 Message-ID: <38C8578D.8F110569@pssnet.com> References: <38C83998.E83B8BEA@Mixrosoft.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: HSE-Toronto-ppp86398.sympatico.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.general:17024 netscape.public.mozilla.wishlist:9347 > 1. It tends to eat up more memory. No matter how big computers > tend to be, I'd always liked programs to be smaller, leaner > and more reliable. I'd open up literally 70 netscape windows > (most minimized waiting to be read) if it were possible. With mozilla I've had 33 open before it crashed. If you rappidly press ctrl-n it crashes after about 6. Well, I just hit 26 Mozilla windows with Nav4 Messenger open plus the toolbar programs and I ran out of ram :( I was going to take a screenshot but there isn't enough ram to (Only have 128) The start bar won't popup so I can't check how much memory its using. The open windows popup looks cool. It has all of the windows listed (Same with the tasks menu) :) BTW I have a lot of the windows open to mozilla.org but in some of them I'm browsing... so I can use it. Images just stopped displaying and the toolbar buttons now have gray areas where they should be transparent but that is to be expected when you don't have any ram left :) From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:33 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Daniel Veditz Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Thanks for the crypto!!! Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 18:21:52 -0800 Organization: Speaking only for myself Lines: 38 Message-ID: <38C85C40.129B104A@netscape.com> References: <000c01bf8a1d$0c2ca3c0$ede6fea9@mozilla> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-208-12-39-196.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Unfortunately not likely to be tomorrow. The crypto stuff comes in two parts. The "Netscape Personal Security Manager" will remain available only as a binary from iPlanet for quite a while since it contains patented RSA code. See http://www.mozilla.org/projects/security/pki/ for details But that part doesn't change often. The HTTPS protocol code that's part of mozilla itself and talks to PSM to get it's crypto done will eventually be part of the nightly builds, but probably not until after the beta because of the stability push. -Dan Veditz Stephen Donner wrote: > > My guess it tomorrow? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Eugene Savitsky > Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general > To: mozilla-general@mozilla.org > Date: Thursday, March 09, 2000 6:09 PM > Subject: Re: Thanks for the crypto!!! > > >> I just want to toss out a huge THANK YOU to everyone involved in getting > >> the crypto build of M14 out. I just got it going and it's been working > >> BEAUTIFULLY so far. I can now do 100% of my daily browsing in Mozilla, > >> only kicking up Communicator 4.72 and IE5 when I need to compare output > >> for the sake of bug-hunting. > >> > >> The installation of the crypto PSM was painless and smooth. I was VERY > >> impressed. > > > >When It will be includud in nightly builds? > > > > > > From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:33 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: QiaoMei Huang Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.xpfe,netscape.public.mozilla.ui,netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.mozilla.unix Subject: a newbie question Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 20:51:19 -0600 Organization: University of Houston Lines: 29 Message-ID: <38C86326.465CB666@cs.uh.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: dodo.cs.uh.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.4 sun4m) Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.xpfe:5852 netscape.public.mozilla.ui:6555 netscape.public.mozilla.general:17027 netscape.public.mozilla.unix:3920 Hi, For our research project, I need to build a tool based on Mozilla. We want the mozilla to read from a text file that is a list of URLs and load all the URLs one after another instead of waiting for user events. Is this task doable? I will try to build it on RedHat Linux 6.1. I am new to Mozilla and I just took a brief look at Mozilla source code. It seems to me that the Main program is within xpfe/Main/main.cpp and seems that the xpfe would be the module I should work with to accomplish the task. Is this right? Does anyone have any suggestions on how to do it? Or is there any way to do it other than modifying the mozilla source code? From the binary executable I run on Windows 98, I find a nice feature that Netscape does not have. The status bar of Mozilla will show the response time took for a URL to load. I am interested in keeping a time log for all my URLs. Does anyone know where to look for the response time in the source code? Thank you very much for any help. Qiaomei Huang, qhuang@cs.uh.edu Dr. Jaspal Suhblok Computer Science Department University of Houston From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:33 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: QiaoMei Huang Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.xpfe,netscape.public.mozilla.ui,netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.mozilla.unix Subject: a newbie question Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 21:03:26 -0600 Organization: University of Houston Lines: 29 Message-ID: <38C865FE.D3F134BC@cs.uh.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: dodo.cs.uh.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.4 sun4m) Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.xpfe:5854 netscape.public.mozilla.ui:6558 netscape.public.mozilla.general:17028 netscape.public.mozilla.unix:3921 Hi, For our research project, I need to build a tool based on Mozilla. We want the mozilla to read from a text file that is a list of URLs and load all the URLs one after another instead of waiting for user events. Is this task doable? I will try to build it on RedHat Linux 6.1. I am new to Mozilla and I just took a brief look at Mozilla source code. It seems to me that the Main program is within xpfe/Main/main.cpp and seems that the xpfe would be the module I should work with to accomplish the task. Is this right? Does anyone have any suggestions on how to do it? Or is there any way to do it other than modifying the mozilla source code? From the binary executable I run on Windows 98, I find a nice feature that Netscape does not have. The status bar of Mozilla will show the response time took for a URL to load. I am interested in keeping a time log for all my URLs. Does anyone know where to look for the response time in the source code? Thank you very much for any help. Qiaomei Huang, qhuang@cs.uh.edu Dr. Jaspal Suhblok Computer Science Department University of Houston From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:33 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Frank Hecker Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: The Mozilla Awards Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 01:11:54 -0500 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 15 Message-ID: <38C8922A.C7B7A379@collab.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lumberjack.collab.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12-20 i686) X-Accept-Language: en If you haven't been reading MozillaZine or checking n.p.m.announce, please point your copy of Mozilla over to http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=1227 where you can read about the Mozilla Awards, participate in the awards process, and help us recognize those people who deserve recognition. Please direct follow up comments to the MozillaZine article referenced above, _not_ to this newsgroup. Frank -- Frank Hecker work: http://www.collab.net/ frank@collab.net home: http://www.hecker.org/ From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:33 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Raneman Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Menu Changes - ToolBar Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 23:36:24 -0800 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 51 Message-ID: <38C8A5F8.4CF9@linkline.com> References: <38C6E0BA.1D44@linkline.com> <38C6E727.CC6A2F33@home.com> Reply-To: raneman@REMOVElinkline.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dsl-gte-gr12446-1.linkline.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I) Sam Gross....: I assumed it was not "normal" but your response proves at least you are abnormal. You must read EMails before you expose further a very narrow mind. If someone can't figure out Version 3 we face real deep do-do with Version 5, which, I understand, will actually be version 6 to keep up with MS IE versions, cascading style sheets etc. Gordon Sam Grossberg wrote: > > This is NOT a normal Netscape newsgroup. This is for Mozilla, the open source alpha for Netscape 5.0. > > Raneman wrote: > > > > Dear All: > > > > This may not be the right group to post to, but, have tried 4 other > > NS Groups without solution, so, please forgive my hoping someone here can help: > > > > This problem beats all, as the title bar menu in NS 3.04gold has been > > altered by programming from a Japanese search engine: > > > > "Kaixi Search Engine" http://www2d.biglobe.ne.jp/~kinryou/cgi/index.html > > > > Starting with title bar heading "Bookmarks" the menu reads down, > > including that in the following order: > > > > Bookmarks > > Add Bookmark CTRL+D > > Go to Bookmarks CTRL+B > > Kaixi Search Engine (which takes me to the URL noted above) > > > > How it got on my menu beats me, except I may have accessed this Japanese > > language only site in error and some how it infected my menu. > > > > How to get it off my menu also beats me. I have searched high and low in > > the base program Netscape.exe for "Kaixi" to no avail. If the > > programming is in Japanese I would not recognize. > > > > I have also searched my -C- drive and Windows Registry for any of the > > "terms" Kaixi/Search/www2D, to no avail. > > > > Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Gordon From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:33 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!news1.optus.net.au!optus!news0.optus.net.au!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38C8AE8D.3F5795C9@orac.net.au> From: David Fayle Reply-To: bioaccent@orac.net.au Organization: BioAccent Pty Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ja,de,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Communicator 4.72 now unstable - due to background programs running? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 55 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 08:13:38 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 202.76.128.8 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 19:13:38 EST Netscape Communicator 4.72 (or 4.7) has now become unstable and keeps crashing at random. I am wondering whether it is caused by one of the background programs running. What *are* these programs which Windows starts automatically? I am running Win 95B with MS Office 97, and HP Officejet Printer/Scanner, and software including Omnipage, and a Decision Tools program called @Risk. On booting up, the initial Windows screen [Desktop] has the following 10 programs running behind it: 1. Explorer 2. Systray (these two appear to be essential) 3. Findfast 4. Dtole 5. Msmsgs 6. Osa 7. Loadwc 8. Opware16 9. Opware32 10. Procdb In most cases I have no idea what they do or whether it is necessary for these to start running automatically. However, I think at least one is messing up my system: Scandisk continually restarts, Defragmenter takes a lot longer than it should through restarting, and now Netscape Communicator 4.72 (or 4.7) has now become unstable and keeps crashing at random. When I shut some of these background programs down using Control-Alt-Delete, the stability and operation of these 3 programs improves. The Start button / Programs / Start Up contains only three items: Microsoft Find Fast (presumably number 3 in my list above); Office Start Up, and HP Picture Link (presumably part of my scanner software). Any insight into: 1. what these programs are, and 2. how I can stop the unnecessary ones automatically starting up would be welcome. By the way, I am getting two types of crashes: 1. Freezes (often but not necessarily when sending email) - needs reset button / Scandisk 2. A blue DOS-type screen with a message which the computer shop tells me indicates some incompatibility in the system caused by programs that are running. I have uninstalled and reinstalled Netscape several times. David Fayle From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:33 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!unlisys!news.snafu.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.icl.net!ihug.co.nz!news.tig.com.au!not-for-mail From: "Michael Hendy" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Wrong newsgroup (n/t) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 20:42:40 +1100 Organization: The Internet Group (Sydney) Lines: 3 Message-ID: <8aag0r$5gv$1@bugstomper.ihug.com.au> References: <38C8AE8D.3F5795C9@orac.net.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: p24-max12.syd.ihug.com.au X-Server-Date: 10 Mar 2000 09:41:47 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:33 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Robert Kaiser Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Menu Changes - ToolBar Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 11:33:56 +0100 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 13 Message-ID: <38C8CF94.B6C535D@StarTrekMail.com> References: <38C6E0BA.1D44@linkline.com> <38C6E727.CC6A2F33@home.com> <38C8A5F8.4CF9@linkline.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: server.hirsch.sth.ac.at Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [de] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: de-AT,de,en-US,en,it On one hand Mozilla/Netscape 6.0 code is very different from 3.x or 4.x code as it hasn't kept _any_ code line from there, everything was rewritten from scratch.... On the other hand, that's a very strange thing which has been happening to you... I've never seen/read of something like that before. If you don't fnd someone to respond in Netscape newsgroups (I don't think anyone in this ng will answer you), then you'll stay with the only chance to mail that search engine admin - perhaps they will be patient enough to tell you.... Robert Kaiser From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:33 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Jerry Baker Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Menu Changes - ToolBar Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 03:24:00 -0800 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 50 Message-ID: <38C8DB50.7AFE7921@weirdness.com> References: <38C6E0BA.1D44@linkline.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lsanca1-ar3-147-141.dsl.gtei.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.71 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Raneman wrote: > > Dear All: > > This may not be the right group to post to, but, have tried 4 other > NS Groups without solution, so, please forgive my hoping someone here > can help: > > This problem beats all, as the title bar menu in NS 3.04gold has been > altered by programming from a Japanese search engine: > > "Kaixi Search Engine" http://www2d.biglobe.ne.jp/~kinryou/cgi/index.html > > Starting with title bar heading "Bookmarks" the menu reads down, > including that in the following order: > > Bookmarks > Add Bookmark CTRL+D > Go to Bookmarks CTRL+B > Kaixi Search Engine (which takes me to the URL noted above) > > How it got on my menu beats me, except I may have accessed this Japanese > language only site in error and some how it infected my menu. > > How to get it off my menu also beats me. I have searched high and low in > the base program Netscape.exe for "Kaixi" to no avail. If the > programming is in Japanese I would not recognize. > > I have also searched my -C- drive and Windows Registry for any of the > "terms" Kaixi/Search/www2D, to no avail. > > Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Gordon > -- > •••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••• > • To REPLY please take "REMOVE" out of EMail address • > •••••••• LinkLine.Com ADSL 768/128Kbps ROCKS ••••••••• > •••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••• The place to ask this question where you will get assistance is snews://secnews.netscape.com/netscape.navigator -- Jerry Baker PGP Mail Preferred Key: http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x09DE91C6 From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:33 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Jerry Baker Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Communicator 4.72 now unstable - due to background programs running? Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 03:29:48 -0800 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 66 Message-ID: <38C8DCAC.ED59B680@weirdness.com> References: <38C8AE8D.3F5795C9@orac.net.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: lsanca1-ar3-147-141.dsl.gtei.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.71 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en David Fayle wrote: > > Netscape Communicator 4.72 (or 4.7) has now become unstable and keeps > crashing at random. I am wondering whether it is caused by one of the > background programs running. What *are* these programs which Windows > starts automatically? > > I am running Win 95B with MS Office 97, and HP Officejet > Printer/Scanner, and software including Omnipage, and a Decision Tools > program called @Risk. > > On booting up, the initial Windows screen [Desktop] has the following 10 > programs running behind it: > > 1. Explorer > 2. Systray > (these two appear to be essential) > 3. Findfast > 4. Dtole > 5. Msmsgs > 6. Osa > 7. Loadwc > 8. Opware16 > 9. Opware32 > 10. Procdb > > In most cases I have no idea what they do or whether it is necessary for > these to start running automatically. > > However, I think at least one is messing up my system: Scandisk > continually restarts, Defragmenter takes a lot longer than it should > through restarting, and now Netscape Communicator 4.72 (or 4.7) has now > become unstable and keeps crashing at random. When I shut some of these > background programs down using Control-Alt-Delete, the stability and > operation of these 3 programs improves. > > The Start button / Programs / Start Up contains only three items: > Microsoft Find Fast (presumably number 3 in my list above); Office > Start Up, and HP Picture Link (presumably part of my scanner software). > > Any insight into: > 1. what these programs are, and > 2. how I can stop the unnecessary ones automatically starting up > would be welcome. > > By the way, I am getting two types of crashes: > 1. Freezes (often but not necessarily when sending email) - needs > reset button / Scandisk > 2. A blue DOS-type screen with a message which the computer shop tells > me indicates some incompatibility in the system caused by programs that > are running. > I have uninstalled and reinstalled Netscape several times. > > David Fayle Kill FindFast and OSA and watch all your programs become more stable. Please post future questions about Netscape Communicator in snews://secnews.netscape.com/netscape.communicator. This group is for the discussion of Netsape 6.0 (hey, JS says it's not Mozilla right? Try navigator.userAgent). -- Jerry Baker PGP Mail Preferred Key: http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x09DE91C6 From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:33 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed2.skycache.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsmm00.btx.dtag.de!t-online.de!news.btx.dtag.de!not-for-mail From: "MG" Newsgroups: netscape.public.dev.html,netscape.public.general,netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.mozilla.performance,netscape.public.mozilla.qa.general,netscape.public.test Subject: stretched images in netscape Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 12:39:31 +0100 Organization: T-Online Lines: 46 Message-ID: <8aams3$t23$1@news07.btx.dtag.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news07.btx.dtag.de 952688323 29763 051517800-0007 000310 11:38:43 X-Complaints-To: abuse@t-online.de X-Sender: 051517800-0007@t-dialin.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.dev.html:3041 netscape.public.general:22087 netscape.public.mozilla.general:17084 netscape.public.mozilla.performance:1400 netscape.public.mozilla.qa.general:179 netscape.public.test:1417 I have a table in which there is an image. I have set the table attributes to stretch the image to fit the table cell. The table cell itself stretches to match the size of the browser window. All pretty standard stuff. However, in Netscape, when viewing the table, if Netscape has to strech the graphic, it doesn't show the graphic, but a stretched box instead with the customary image symbol and my alternative text. I can 'show' the image in another netscape window from here with a righ click etc etc, but the image will only appear on the original page once I have reduced the size of the window so that the image does not have to be stretched. Strange. Naturally, this effect works perfectly in IE. How can I get Netscape to work as I want? Example code follows:
What all the fuss was about!The music of course!
TIA Martin Gosling From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:33 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Zac Spitzer Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.ui,netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.mozilla.xpfe Subject: New newsgroup proposal n.p.m.skins Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 13:43:15 +0100 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 13 Message-ID: <38C8EDE2.6F349A5C@email.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: gw2.datango.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,de Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.ui:6579 netscape.public.mozilla.general:17036 netscape.public.mozilla.xpfe:5862 Please note: cross posted to xpfe, ui & general There's a lot of traffic on ui & xpfe about skins as we approach beta and then every tom dick and larry decides they want to make skins for mozilla the signal to noise ratio will climb in these group as has already been mentioned. what do people think.? From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:33 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Trizt Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.mozilla.wishlist Subject: Re: About Mail clients bundled with the Browsers Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 13:59:10 +0100 Organization: Ward & RITE (irc lib.hel.fi:6667 #chatzone) Lines: 32 Message-ID: <38C8F19E.DA2A328C@iname.com> References: <38C83998.E83B8BEA@Mixrosoft.com> <38C840CA.549A4E86@lemnet.com> Reply-To: trizt@iname.com NNTP-Posting-Host: d212-151-37-181.swipnet.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh,zh-CN Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.general:17037 netscape.public.mozilla.wishlist:9353 Lemming wrote: > > If Mozilla is released with an mailer, please be sure that you the user > > can easier run one with out the other one needing to load for sake of > > reasons 1 & 2. > > You can run navigator without the mail, but for the mail you need navigator to read HTML email and composer to write HTML email. The same would be true for any email client. Why should it need to show HTML?? It's prolly just some idiot at m$ who thought it would be cool to send HTML pages to his buddies and see them. It's just waist of time to load them and how f**king fun is it to get cockies on a server which only purpors is to put you on junkmaillists (it's damn sad you can't tell which server never has the right to use cockies in NS/M). How damn fun is it when you are offline rading your mails and the "callup" window popups when you are gona to delete that advertisment you in first place didn't want to get down from your pop3 server in the first place. If I had an extra monitor I prolly would have used YAM as mailer and AWeb as my browser as they seems to have those small things which people miss in pc mailers/browsers. //Trizt ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: trizt@iname.com URL: http://home.bip.net/trizt/ IRC: lib.hel.fi:6667 Chan: #linux Nick: Trizt ICQ: 13696780 System: Siamese System AmiOS/qDos+ (MC68040/25 PPC603e/160 AMD K6-3/400) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:33 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!unlisys!news.snafu.de!fu-berlin.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Herve Foucher Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Persistant proxy authentification fails Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 13:03:32 GMT Organization: HELIO - Web Based Projects Lines: 19 Message-ID: <8aarr3$bi0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <89l6fg$21g$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.106.68.201 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Mar 10 13:03:32 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.72 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x26.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 193.106.68.201 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhfoucher Sorry to insist, but a Mozilla nightly build supported Persistant proxy authentification and it doesn't any more in M14. I am asked for a passwd for each image or text... Please tell me if someone succeded with M14. I can't use Mozilla as my default browser because of this. Thanks -- Herve FOUCHER, HELIO Author of the SMIL and French tutorials http://www.helio.org/education/ Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:33 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Lemming Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.xpfe,netscape.public.mozilla.ui,netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.mozilla.unix Subject: Re: a newbie question Followup-To: netscape.public.mozilla.general Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 13:04:56 +0000 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 40 Message-ID: <38C8F2F8.4909049D@lemnet.com> References: <38C86326.465CB666@cs.uh.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: usr1277-kno.cableinet.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.xpfe:5863 netscape.public.mozilla.ui:6580 netscape.public.mozilla.general:17038 netscape.public.mozilla.unix:3925 QiaoMei Huang wrote: > Hi, > > For our research project, I need to build a tool based on > Mozilla. We want the mozilla to read from a text file that is a list > of URLs and load all the URLs one after another instead of waiting for > user events. Is this task doable? > I will try to build it on RedHat Linux 6.1. > I am new to Mozilla and I just took a brief look at Mozilla > source code. It seems to me that the Main program is within > xpfe/Main/main.cpp and seems that the xpfe would be the module I > should work with to accomplish the task. Is this right? Does anyone > have any suggestions on how to do it? Or is there any way to do it > other than modifying the mozilla source code? > From the binary executable I run on Windows 98, I find a nice > feature that Netscape does not have. The status bar of Mozilla will > show the response time took for a URL to load. I am interested in > keeping a time log for all my URLs. Does anyone know where to look for > the response time in the source code? > > Thank you very much for any help. Could the text file be in the form url[0] = ""; url[1] = ""; If so, then it would be quite easy to do something like this with JavaScript (which would work in any browser). If not then I don't know how you would do it. I don't think JavaScript supports reading line-by-line, so I would imagine anything would have to be done in C++. Setting follow-up to netscape.public.mozilla.general Thanks, Lemming, LemNet Manager http://www.lemnet.com/banners/ - Returning soon... From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:33 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Lemming Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Menu Changes - ToolBar Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 13:19:17 +0000 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 27 Message-ID: <38C8F655.B6D4E4AC@lemnet.com> References: <38C6E0BA.1D44@linkline.com> <38C6E727.CC6A2F33@home.com> <38C8A5F8.4CF9@linkline.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: usr1277-kno.cableinet.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en Raneman wrote: > Sam Gross....: > > I assumed it was not "normal" but your response proves at least you are > abnormal. You must read EMails before you expose further a very narrow > mind. > > If someone can't figure out Version 3 we face real deep do-do with > Version 5, which, I understand, will actually be version 6 to keep up > with MS IE versions, cascading style sheets etc. > > Gordon If you went to the news alt.racing.formula1 and asked what a light bulb was would you expect to get a response? What about if people kept asking questions like that? The fact is this is a newsgroup about _Mozilla_, not Netscape 3, or indeed, lightbulbs. While it is a very simple question (and yours wasn't) it is totally unrelated to the newsgroup. It is not abnormal to get fedup answering questions unrelated to what we are here for, so most people don't. Many people here use IE as their browser anyway, so you wouldn't expect them to know. Thanks, Lemming, LemNet Manager http://www.lemnet.com/banners/ - Free targeted advertising http://www.lemnet.com/domains/ - Is your domain available? http://www.lemnet.com/guestbooks/ - Free guestbooks From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:33 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Lemming Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: benchmarking web page load sequence Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 13:23:20 +0000 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 32 Message-ID: <38C8F748.75B06D9F@lemnet.com> References: <28717e21.be209887@usw-ex0106-046.remarq.com> <38C830F7.E0318788@lemnet.com> <38C853C7.2A2D8713@pssnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: usr1277-kno.cableinet.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en Marshall wrote: > > If you grab on of the debug builds (where can you get these?) > > ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/nightly/latest/ > > > it comes with a DOS-style 'console' window saying what Seamonkey is doing. > Not any more. That was disabled a couple of weeks ago. You need to > actually compile the code with the consol turned on in order to do that. No, I'm sure that some builds are still compiled with the console window in them. Not from that URL though, that is the normal builds. Maybe the also contain the benchmarking code. > > Any other ideas people? > Well, there is already benchmarking code which the people writing > Mozilla use. It slows down the browser a lot when its enabled... so you > need to compile the code with that turned on in order to see the > results. > > There are also benchmarking products out there. Take a look around, I'm > sure you'll be able to find one (Not sure if it would be free though). > I believe Rational Visual Test (For visual studio) can record macro's > and then return the time it took but I'm not 100% sure. That software > runs on the final executable as well so you would be able to benchmark > both browsers. Thanks, Lemming, LemNet Manager http://www.lemnet.com/banners/ - Returning soon... From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:33 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!unlisys!news.snafu.de!n00zpHeed.netscum.dQ!netscum.int!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Herve Foucher Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Persistant proxy authentification fails Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 13:41:33 GMT Organization: HELIO - Web based projects Lines: 18 Message-ID: <8aau2c$d8d$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <89l6fg$21g$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8aarr3$bi0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.106.68.201 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Mar 10 13:41:33 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.72 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x26.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 193.106.68.201 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhfoucher > I am asked for a passwd for each image or text... Please tell me > if someone succeded with M14. > I can't use Mozilla as my default browser because of this. Forget my post ! Build 20000309-13 perfectly works for that !!!! Thank you. [switching to Mozilla in progress... XXXXXXXXX- 90% done] Herve FOUCHER, HELIO Author of the SMIL and French tutorials http://www.helio.org/education/ Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:33 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Sebastian Spaeth Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: benchmarking web page load sequence Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 14:51:11 +0100 Organization: University of =?iso-8859-1?Q?Link=F6ping?= Lines: 10 Message-ID: <38C8FDCF.58D7F16F@SSpaeth.de> References: <28717e21.be209887@usw-ex0106-046.remarq.com> <38C830F7.E0318788@lemnet.com> <38C853C7.2A2D8713@pssnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: f29.ryd.student.liu.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [de] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: sv,de,en Marshall schrieb: > > it comes with a DOS-style 'console' window saying what Seamonkey is doing. > Not any more. That was disabled a couple of weeks ago. You need to > actually compile the code with the consol turned on in order to do that. Try starting Mozilla.exe with -console, and WYSIWYW (What you see is what you want :-) Sebastian From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:33 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Ben Goodger Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.ui,netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.mozilla.xpfe Subject: Re: New newsgroup proposal n.p.m.skins Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 05:55:04 -0800 Organization: Netscape Communications Corp. Lines: 44 Message-ID: <38C8FEB8.E7A9E769@netscape.com> References: <38C8EDE2.6F349A5C@email.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-216-102-221-213.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------9266B2822656C6D34E756CD4" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: Zac Spitzer Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.ui:6581 netscape.public.mozilla.general:17044 netscape.public.mozilla.xpfe:5864 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------9266B2822656C6D34E756CD4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit netscape.public.dev.skins Zac Spitzer wrote: > > Please note: cross posted to xpfe, ui & general > > There's a lot of traffic on ui & xpfe about skins > > as we approach beta and then every tom dick and larry decides they want > to make skins > for mozilla the signal to noise ratio will climb in these group as has > already been mentioned. > > what do people think.? -- my thoughts are my own, not those of Netscape -- --------------9266B2822656C6D34E756CD4 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="ben.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Ben Goodger Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="ben.vcf" begin:vcard n:Goodger;Ben tel;work:(650) 937 6665 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://people.netscape.com/ben org:Netscape Communications Corp.;XPApps version:2.1 email;internet:ben@netscape.com title:Software Engineer adr;quoted-printable:;;Building 21, Netscape Campus=0D=0A466 Ellis St.;Mountain View;California;94043;United States of America fn:Ben Goodger end:vcard --------------9266B2822656C6D34E756CD4-- From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:33 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!gateway From: slucy@objectivesw.co.uk (Simon P. Lucy) Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: RE: New newsgroup proposal n.p.m.skins Date: 10 Mar 2000 14:01:40 GMT Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: <38C8EDE2.6F349A5C@email.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-207-200-73-41.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: "Zac Spitzer" , I think the Presidential race will be very boring this year. Noise about = noise doesn't improve Shannon's theory at all, as this message = demonstrates. (not cross posted) Simon P. Lucy Objective 2000 Ltd -----Original Message----- From: Zac Spitzer [mailto:zacs@email.com] Sent: 10 March 2000 12:43 To: mozilla-ui@mozilla.org; mozilla-general@mozilla.org; = mozilla-xpfe@mozilla.org Subject: New newsgroup proposal n.p.m.skins Please note: cross posted to xpfe, ui & general There's a lot of traffic on ui & xpfe about skins as we approach beta and then every tom dick and larry decides they want to make skins for mozilla the signal to noise ratio will climb in these group as has already been mentioned. what do people think.? From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:33 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Stuart Ballard Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Thanks for the crypto!!! Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 14:19:34 +0000 Organization: NetReach Lines: 18 Message-ID: <38C90476.9232BA92@netreach.net> References: <000c01bf8a1d$0c2ca3c0$ede6fea9@mozilla> <38C85C40.129B104A@netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: rainbow.netreach.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i586) X-Accept-Language: en Daniel Veditz wrote: > > Unfortunately not likely to be tomorrow. > > The crypto stuff comes in two parts. The "Netscape Personal Security > Manager" will remain available only as a binary from iPlanet for quite a > while since it contains patented RSA code. See > http://www.mozilla.org/projects/security/pki/ for details > > But that part doesn't change often. The HTTPS protocol code that's part of > mozilla itself and talks to PSM to get it's crypto done will eventually be > part of the nightly builds, but probably not until after the beta because > of the stability push. I hope I'm getting the wrong impression here... but are you saying that Netscape will be shipping Netscape 5.0 beta 1 with no support for SSL? Stuart. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:33 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Stuart Ballard Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: a newbie question Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 14:26:08 +0000 Organization: NetReach Lines: 50 Message-ID: <38C90600.81FA4096@netreach.net> References: <38C86326.465CB666@cs.uh.edu> <38C8F2F8.4909049D@lemnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: rainbow.netreach.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i586) X-Accept-Language: en Lemming wrote: > > QiaoMei Huang wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > For our research project, I need to build a tool based on > > Mozilla. We want the mozilla to read from a text file that is a list > > of URLs and load all the URLs one after another instead of waiting for > > user events. Is this task doable? > > I will try to build it on RedHat Linux 6.1. > > I am new to Mozilla and I just took a brief look at Mozilla > > source code. It seems to me that the Main program is within > > xpfe/Main/main.cpp and seems that the xpfe would be the module I > > should work with to accomplish the task. Is this right? Does anyone > > have any suggestions on how to do it? Or is there any way to do it > > other than modifying the mozilla source code? > > From the binary executable I run on Windows 98, I find a nice > > feature that Netscape does not have. The status bar of Mozilla will > > show the response time took for a URL to load. I am interested in > > keeping a time log for all my URLs. Does anyone know where to look for > > the response time in the source code? > > > > Thank you very much for any help. > > Could the text file be in the form > > url[0] = ""; > url[1] = ""; > > If so, then it would be quite easy to do something like this with JavaScript (which would work in any browser). Actually I *believe* there's actually a startup option in mozilla (at least the debug builds, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's in all of them) called *something like* -f, which will load a list of urls in the format: http://first.url.here/ http://second.url.here/ And browse to each of them. It's used for testing and QA so that it's possible to set off an automated test suite. Try running "mozilla -f myfile.txt" (sorry, don't have a mozilla around atm to test this). If you need a delay between visiting the sites, you may have to add that code yourself. HTH, Stuart. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:33 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: "mooky" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Mousewheel crash crash crash Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 08:08:55 -0700 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 47 Message-ID: <8ab36f$so1@secnews.netscape.com> References: <8a94ta$o5i2@secnews.netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.65.197.56.ab.wave.home.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 n/m .... must have been due to the morning horkage ... seems to be working just fine now .... in fact ... with the afternoon nightly 2000030913 I think i'm going to start using moz on a semi-regular basis since its now stabalized and fairly inclusive in the browser area. Can't wait for beta1 and beyond to see how good a browser it can be :-) Only thing its missing is the suport my Alladvantage.com viewbar has for detecting an IE window for "surfing" time ... hmmm, guess thats up to alladvantage to plug into moz in the future :-) Cheers, Mike "mooky" wrote in message news:8a94ta$o5i2@secnews.netscape.com... > Posted a bug http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31217 on > mousewheel crashing in moz as of the 3/9/00 build of seamonkey. Assigned it > to joki since he is the default person for what I hope is the right module > owner of this bug. If not, could someone reassign it please. Hopefully > this crash is cleared up soon, though I am not sure its beta1 worthy. > > Forgot to mention in the bug report that it was usign Intellipoint 3 drivers > on an MS wheel mouse. OOPS! :) > > Any other Q's can be emailed or asked here . . . I'll check back hopefully > to see some progress later. Keep up the good work moz folks! On an > unrelated note, was the linking problem fixed in 3/9/00 build, cause once > I submit a query and get teh responses, the links are no longer clickable? > I remember reading something about links becoming unclickable, though I > forget the bug number or details. Should I file another bug/reopen one ? > > Cheers, > Mike > -- > > * Have you made money surfing the web today? * > * I did, on January 7, 2000, a $33.64 cheque. * > * http://www.alladvantage.com/joinsecure.asp?refid=bot753 * > > > > From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:33 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Scott I. Remick Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Thanks for the crypto!!! Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:25:13 -0500 Organization: Computer Alternatives, Inc. Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <000c01bf8a1d$0c2ca3c0$ede6fea9@mozilla> <38C85C40.129B104A@netscape.com> <38C90476.9232BA92@netreach.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: scott.computeralt.com X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.20 In article <38C90476.9232BA92@netreach.net>, sballard@netreach.net says... > I hope I'm getting the wrong impression here... but are you saying that > Netscape will be shipping Netscape 5.0 beta 1 with no support for SSL? I would think that because the Netscape-branded beta would be released as a binary and not source, it could already be packaged up and ready to go with crypto. Dan was talking about the Mozilla beta, which would be a different packaged product. And my interpretation of what he said was that it wouldn't become part of the NIGHTLIES until after the beta, but that doesn't stop them from plugging it into milestone releases like they did for M14. The first beta would be at a milestone point. ----------------------- Scott I. Remick scott@computeralt.com Network and Information (802)388-7545 ext. 236 Systems Manager FAX:(802)388-3697 Computer Alternatives, Inc. http://www.computeralt.com From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:34 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!gateway From: dhs@voyager.net (Hall Stevenson) Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Persistant proxy authentification fails Date: 10 Mar 2000 15:38:20 GMT Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 22 Message-ID: <005601bf8aa6$ccf7a850$d76510ac@dayengcad4.flowserve.com> Reply-To: "Hall Stevenson" NNTP-Posting-Host: h-207-200-73-41.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: , "Herve Foucher" What's the "-13" in the build # mean ?? I know proxy authentication worked at one point, then stopped working, then supposedly started working again. At work, where we use a proxy, I *cannot* use Mozilla !! ;-( Is it working now ?? Our proxy is MS Proxy... Thanks ! Hall Stevenson >> I am asked for a passwd for each image or text... Please tell me >> if someone succeded with M14. >> I can't use Mozilla as my default browser because of this. > >Forget my post ! Build 20000309-13 perfectly works for that !!!! > >Thank you. > >[switching to Mozilla in progress... XXXXXXXXX- 90% done] From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:34 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Jerry Baker Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: General C Question Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 07:54:37 -0800 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 40 Message-ID: <38C91ABD.CC06B213@weirdness.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lsanca1-ar3-147-141.dsl.gtei.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.71 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en When making or changing code in Mozilla, I have often wondered about one thing. There are many many if{} else if{} structures throughout Mozilla. In cases where a switch() could be used in place, would that not be better performance wise? I know that switch() statements usually get transformed into a branch table or comparison chain by compilers, but what happens with if{} else if{}? Another thing: should we look for inner loops that are not very tight. That is, something like (taking liberally from the AMD developer docs): for(i ...){ if(CONSTANT0 ){ DoWork0(i ); }else { DoWork1(i ); } } This inner loop could be made much tighter by avoiding repetitious evaluation of a known if() by doing if(CONSTANT0 ){ for(i ...){ DoWork0(i ); } }else { for(i ...){ DoWork1(i ); } } Do you think that there are performance gains to be had by looking for such things? I am thinking especially in the logic used to parse mail and news databases, etc. -- Jerry Baker PGP Mail Preferred Key: http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x09DE91C6 From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:34 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Jerry Baker Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Persistant proxy authentification fails Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 08:09:27 -0800 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 32 Message-ID: <38C91E37.CA16B04C@weirdness.com> References: <005601bf8aa6$ccf7a850$d76510ac@dayengcad4.flowserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lsanca1-ar3-147-141.dsl.gtei.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.71 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Hall Stevenson wrote: > > What's the "-13" in the build # mean ?? > > I know proxy authentication worked at one point, then stopped working, then > supposedly started working again. At work, where we use a proxy, I *cannot* > use Mozilla !! ;-( > > Is it working now ?? Our proxy is MS Proxy... > > Thanks ! > Hall Stevenson > > >> I am asked for a passwd for each image or text... Please tell me > >> if someone succeded with M14. > >> I can't use Mozilla as my default browser because of this. > > > >Forget my post ! Build 20000309-13 perfectly works for that !!!! > > > >Thank you. > > > >[switching to Mozilla in progress... XXXXXXXXX- 90% done] I believe the build numbers are: [4-digit year][two-digit month][two-digit date][hour (of the pull_all?)]. -- Jerry Baker PGP Mail Preferred Key: http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x09DE91C6 From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:34 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: "Scott A. Colcord" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: General C Question Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 11:12:18 -0500 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 14 Message-ID: <8ab6s3$3bf1@secnews.netscape.com> References: <38C91ABD.CC06B213@weirdness.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: wallmsi.mediastation.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 There may be, however most of them probably don't impose a noticable performance hit. The best way to proceed would be to run some profiling metrics to find out where in the code such optimizations would garner the most gain, and change them there. ----Scott "Jerry Baker" wrote: > Do you think that there are performance gains to be had by looking for > such things? I am thinking especially in the logic used to parse mail > and news databases, etc. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:34 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Irve Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: about:mozilla Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 18:16:14 +0200 Organization: Letargia ja sisalik Lines: 15 Message-ID: <38C91FCE.AA2954C7@metal.ee> References: <38C83470.5060107@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp1044.estpak.ee Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: et,en Stephen Donner wrote: > > Someone needs to implement about:mozilla, because the Day of Atonement > is at hand! for the curious: http://lxr.mozilla.org/mozilla/source/l10n/us/xp/mozilla.html ;) -- Irve | http://www.hot.ee/irve Mostly harmless From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:34 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Stuart Ballard Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: about:mozilla Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 16:49:32 +0000 Organization: NetReach Lines: 18 Message-ID: <38C9279C.DC9F1C0B@netreach.net> References: <38C83470.5060107@earthlink.net> <38C91FCE.AA2954C7@metal.ee> NNTP-Posting-Host: rainbow.netreach.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i586) X-Accept-Language: en Irve wrote: > > Stephen Donner wrote: > > > > Someone needs to implement about:mozilla, because the Day of Atonement > > is at hand! > > for the curious: > > http://lxr.mozilla.org/mozilla/source/l10n/us/xp/mozilla.html I love the fact that the NPL license header is in the source of this :) Will that be there when you view source on about:mozilla? OTOH, the actual html in that file is kinda sucky... would a patch to update it to xhtml 1.0 be accepted? ;) Stuart. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:34 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Robert O'Callahan Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: General C Question Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 12:06:44 -0500 Organization: Carnegie Mellon University Lines: 58 Message-ID: <38C92BA4.526FA64A@cs.cmu.edu> References: <38C91ABD.CC06B213@weirdness.com> Reply-To: roc+@cs.cmu.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: MAJESTY.FAC.CS.CMU.EDU Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en Jerry Baker wrote: > When making or changing code in Mozilla, I have often wondered about > one thing. There are many many if{} else if{} structures throughout > Mozilla. In cases where a switch() could be used in place, would that > not be better performance wise? I know that switch() statements usually > get transformed into a branch table or comparison chain by compilers, > but what happens with if{} else if{}? It's not clear-cut. Switch statements are often actually compiled into a sequence of if's when there are only a few options. On modern machines, a sequence of if's can actually be faster because the branch predictor is more likely to speculate through the right code. You should use a switch if that makes the code look better, or ifs if they make the code look better, and don't worry about tweaking them unless and until you determine, through profiling, that these statements have a significant performance impact. > Another thing: should we look for inner loops that are not very tight. > That is, something like (taking liberally from the AMD developer docs): > > for(i ...){ > if(CONSTANT0 ){ > DoWork0(i ); > }else { > DoWork1(i ); > } > } > > This inner loop could be made much tighter by avoiding repetitious > evaluation of a known if() by doing > > if(CONSTANT0 ){ > for(i ...){ > DoWork0(i ); > } > }else { > for(i ...){ > DoWork1(i ); > } > } > > Do you think that there are performance gains to be had by looking for > such things? I am thinking especially in the logic used to parse mail > and news databases, etc. See above. Worry first about desigining efficient algorithms and getting the code correct, then profile to find out where it's worth doing stuff like this. Doing these things in the wrong order usually leads to lots of unnecessary pain. It is very hard to debug cleverly-optimized code. Rob -- [Robert O'Callahan http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~roc 6th year CMU CS PhD student "I have seen the burden God has laid on men. He has made everything beautiful in its time. He has also set eternity in the hearts of men; yet they cannot fathom what God has done from beginning to end." --- Ecclesiastes 3:10-11] From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:34 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Ger-Bil Jinn Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Thanks for the crypto!!! Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:50:14 -0800 Organization: Gerbil-Box Lines: 20 Message-ID: <38C943E6.2503F04@ucdavis.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: d29-111.segubxgl.ucdavis.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Well I know everyone else is excited at this but does anyone else here besides me get a -225 Extraction error while trying to install the PSM? I'm on a Windoze system, BTW. <:3)~~ "Scott I. Remick" wrote: > > I just want to toss out a huge THANK YOU to everyone involved in getting > the crypto build of M14 out. I just got it going and it's been working > BEAUTIFULLY so far. I can now do 100% of my daily browsing in Mozilla, > only kicking up Communicator 4.72 and IE5 when I need to compare output > for the sake of bug-hunting. > > The installation of the crypto PSM was painless and smooth. I was VERY > impressed. > > You guys kick ass... keep up the good work!!! From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:34 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!gateway From: mWare@Ottawa.com (Mike Geiger) Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: about:mozilla Date: 10 Mar 2000 19:25:55 GMT Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 39 Message-ID: <38C94C43.4338C776@Ottawa.com> References: <38C83470.5060107@earthlink.net> <38C91FCE.AA2954C7@metal.ee> <38C9279C.DC9F1C0B@netreach.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-207-200-73-41.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit CC: mozilla-general@mozilla.org Don't you think about:mozilla should maybe showcase as many features as possible? Maybe that's a bad idea but - about:mozilla is a fairly simple page, what about an about:demo or :features? Think advertising - for a 'storefront' - show off all your coolness here for the few who want to see it. (This way you're not inundating the use with stuff for about: and about:mozilla keeps it's classic verse & rhyme, but you can also see what's new in living color (with Alpha! :) Just a-musing. Myke http://zm.mWare.ath.cx/ Stuart Ballard wrote: > Irve wrote: > > > > Stephen Donner wrote: > > > > > > Someone needs to implement about:mozilla, because the Day of Atonement > > > is at hand! > > > > for the curious: > > > > http://lxr.mozilla.org/mozilla/source/l10n/us/xp/mozilla.html > > I love the fact that the NPL license header is in the source of this :) > Will that be there when you view source on about:mozilla? > > OTOH, the actual html in that file is kinda sucky... would a patch to > update it to xhtml 1.0 be accepted? ;) > > Stuart. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:34 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Raneman Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Menu Changes - ToolBar Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 13:37:06 -0800 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 49 Message-ID: <38C96B02.28E3@linkline.com> References: <38C6E0BA.1D44@linkline.com> <38C8DB50.7AFE7921@weirdness.com> Reply-To: raneman@REMOVElinkline.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dsl-gte-gr12446-1.linkline.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I) To: Jerry Baker Jerry Baker wrote: > > Raneman wrote: > > > > Dear All: > > > > This may not be the right group to post to, but, have tried 4 other > > NS Groups without solution, so, please forgive my hoping someone here > > can help: > > > > This problem beats all, as the title bar menu in NS 3.04gold has been > > altered by programming from a Japanese search engine: > > > > "Kaixi Search Engine" http://www2d.biglobe.ne.jp/~kinryou/cgi/index.html > > > > Starting with title bar heading "Bookmarks" the menu reads down, > > including that in the following order: > > > > Bookmarks > > Add Bookmark CTRL+D > > Go to Bookmarks CTRL+B > > Kaixi Search Engine (which takes me to the URL noted above) > > > > How it got on my menu beats me, except I may have accessed this Japanese > > language only site in error and some how it infected my menu. > > > > How to get it off my menu also beats me. I have searched high and low in > > the base program Netscape.exe for "Kaixi" to no avail. If the > > programming is in Japanese I would not recognize. > > > > I have also searched my -C- drive and Windows Registry for any of the > > "terms" Kaixi/Search/www2D, to no avail. > > > > Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Gordon > The place to ask this question where you will get assistance is > snews://secnews.netscape.com/netscape.navigator > -- > Jerry Baker Jerry: Question was asked 3 times on that one of 4 groups with no response. Gordon From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:34 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: "Keith Bowes" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Talkback Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 16:51:10 -0500 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 11 Message-ID: <8abr0o$52i1@secnews.netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208-26-98-122.inetone.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Hello. I've noticed that the Netscape crash feedback component doesn't seem to work correctly. It begins to send the data, but the send is unsuccessful. It tries to send the data later, but that doesn't send either. After a few tries at regular intervals, the program stops responding and I have to close it with the task manager. I'm feeling that there's some serious problems here and it's not my fault. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:34 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Raneman Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Menu Changes - ToolBar Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 13:54:00 -0800 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 39 Message-ID: <38C96EF8.2FB5@linkline.com> References: <38C6E0BA.1D44@linkline.com> <38C6E727.CC6A2F33@home.com> <38C8A5F8.4CF9@linkline.com> <38C8F655.B6D4E4AC@lemnet.com> Reply-To: raneman@REMOVElinkline.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dsl-gte-gr12446-1.linkline.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I) Lemming wrote: > > Raneman wrote: > > > Sam Gross....: > > > > I assumed it was not "normal" but your response proves at least you are abnormal. You must read EMails before you expose further a very narrow mind. > > > > If someone can't figure out Version 3 we face real deep do-do with > > Version 5, which, I understand, will actually be version 6 to keep up with MS IE versions, cascading style sheets etc. > > > > Gordon > > If you went to the news alt.racing.formula1 and asked what a light bulb was would you expect to get a response? What about if people kept asking questions like that? ---It is a serious question unanswered on 5 normal Netscape Groups--- > > The fact is this is a newsgroup about _Mozilla_, not Netscape 3. ----------snip-------------- Between AOL sucks and NS Mozilla elitists, I guess a direct EMail to Mark Andreesen would no doubt engender a solution, but if not, at least a nicer reply. ---------------snip------------------------ > > Many people here use IE as their browser anyway, so you wouldn't > > > > expect them to know. > > Lemming, > > LemNet Manager I place no expectations on the knowledge of others. Some of the most seemingly ignorant people are genius and helpful in many circumstances, and nicer, of course. Says something about NS diehards giving in to reality, it seems. I have MSIE 5 and it is the total pits compared to NS 3 and especially to NS 4 and above. Gordon From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:34 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Daniel Veditz Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Menu Changes - ToolBar Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 14:17:18 -0800 Organization: Speaking only for myself Lines: 34 Message-ID: <38C9746E.65DA5515@netscape.com> References: <38C6E0BA.1D44@linkline.com> <38C6E727.CC6A2F33@home.com> <38C8A5F8.4CF9@linkline.com> <38C8F655.B6D4E4AC@lemnet.com> <38C96EF8.2FB5@linkline.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-205-217-240-31.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Raneman wrote: > > ---It is a serious question unanswered on 5 normal Netscape Groups--- Obviously no one here has ever heard of Kaixi Search Engine, most of us can't even read that site. Have you tried asking *them* what they've done to your system? In fact, how *did* they alter your system -- did you install something? Did they bring up a Java permission dialog to do something? How you got the toolbar in the first place would be a big clue. If you installed something maybe they added a plugin. check about:plugins and see, and if you have one you should be able to remove it. If it's not a plugin then it's gotta be something that always present on your system, check your startup items, and the "Run" key in the windows registry. Basically you're asking people questions about stuff they know nothing about. Flooding the group with everyone saying "I don't know" is not helpful, so people are silent. The Kaixi people would know, and their site no doubt has a feedback mechanism. If you did not give them permission to install this then I STRONGLY urge you to use that feedback mechanism to indicate your displeasure. > > The fact is this is a newsgroup about _Mozilla_, not Netscape 3. > ----------snip-------------- > > Between AOL sucks and NS Mozilla elitists, I guess a direct EMail to > Mark Andreesen would no doubt engender a solution, but if not, at least > a nicer reply. Something like "I'm sorry, I no longer work for AOL" maybe. -Dan Veditz From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:34 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Daniel Veditz Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Thanks for the crypto!!! Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 14:26:53 -0800 Organization: Speaking only for myself Lines: 30 Message-ID: <38C976AD.211D50B0@netscape.com> References: <000c01bf8a1d$0c2ca3c0$ede6fea9@mozilla> <38C85C40.129B104A@netscape.com> <38C90476.9232BA92@netreach.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-205-217-240-31.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Stuart Ballard wrote: > > Daniel Veditz wrote: > > > > Unfortunately not likely to be tomorrow. > > > > The crypto stuff comes in two parts. The "Netscape Personal Security > > Manager" will remain available only as a binary from iPlanet for quite a > > while since it contains patented RSA code. See > > http://www.mozilla.org/projects/security/pki/ for details > > > > But that part doesn't change often. The HTTPS protocol code that's part of > > mozilla itself and talks to PSM to get it's crypto done will eventually be > > part of the nightly builds, but probably not until after the beta because > > of the stability push. > > I hope I'm getting the wrong impression here... but are you saying that > Netscape will be shipping Netscape 5.0 beta 1 with no support for SSL? I'm not saying anything about what Netscape will ship. I was responding to a post that indicated hope for seeing it in the *mozilla.org* binaries. It's quite likely that the Netscape browser will have no legal problems shipping with the "Netscape Personal Security Manager" :-) (disclaimer: despite my @netscape.com address I know little more about this security stuff than I've read in places like the link I gave above -- feel free to read it for yourself and make your own conclusions.) -Dan Veditz From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:34 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Daniel Veditz Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Thanks for the crypto!!! Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 14:38:12 -0800 Organization: Speaking only for myself Lines: 20 Message-ID: <38C97954.F98D8A8B@netscape.com> References: <38C943E6.2503F04@ucdavis.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-205-217-240-31.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Ger-Bil Jinn wrote: > > Well I know everyone else is excited at this but does > anyone else here besides me get a -225 Extraction error > while trying to install the PSM? > > I'm on a Windoze system, BTW. -225 is EXTRACTION_FAILED, which only comes up in a couple of places. Basically either something bad happened trying to decompress that file out of the archive (a corrupt archive? But not *too* corrupt or we wouldn't have gotten this far -- we are already processing the install script at this point) or it couldn't create the destination file. If you're sure your disk isn't full and you don't have read-only files or directories in the way you might try downloading it again. Otherwise I'm kind of stumped without more info and probably would need to run a debugger on your system. :-( -Dan Veditz From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:34 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!gateway From: blizzard@mozilla.org (Christopher Blizzard) Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Status Update Date: 10 Mar 2000 23:01:34 GMT Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 15 Sender: blizzard@localhost.localdomain Message-ID: <38C97ECE.3235B022@mozilla.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-207-200-73-41.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: mozilla-general@mozilla.org, owners@mozilla.org Yep, it's that time. Got friends of the tree? New status updates? Want to talk about something that's going to happen post Netscape beta1? Send 'em along. --Chris -- ------------ Christopher Blizzard http://people.redhat.com/blizzard/ I think people tend to forget that trees are living creatures. They're sort of like dogs. Huge, quiet, motionless dogs, with bark instead of fur. ------------ From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:34 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Ger-Bil Jinn Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Thanks for the crypto!!! Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 15:04:50 -0800 Organization: Gerbil-Box Lines: 28 Message-ID: <38C97F92.5AAED7C2@ucdavis.edu> References: <38C943E6.2503F04@ucdavis.edu> <38C97954.F98D8A8B@netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d29-111.segubxgl.ucdavis.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Well I don't know how to get more detailed info other than when it attempts to install PSM I get a new window with a page that says: XPInstall Results PSM: Error encountered -- -225 My computer is a AMD K6-II 450 MHz with 96 megs RAM running Windoze 98. That's all the info I can give right now, crypto doesn't work for me :( <:3)~~ Daniel Veditz wrote: > -225 is EXTRACTION_FAILED, which only comes up in a couple of places. > Basically either something bad happened trying to decompress that file out > of the archive (a corrupt archive? But not *too* corrupt or we wouldn't > have gotten this far -- we are already processing the install script at > this point) or it couldn't create the destination file. > > If you're sure your disk isn't full and you don't have read-only files or > directories in the way you might try downloading it again. Otherwise I'm > kind of stumped without more info and probably would need to run a debugger > on your system. :-( > > -Dan Veditz From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:34 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Sam Grossberg Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: New newsgroup proposal n.p.m.skins Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:10:56 -0600 Organization: @Home Network Lines: 29 Message-ID: <38C98100.DDB522FE@home.com> References: <38C8EDE2.6F349A5C@email.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: c194222-a.hlndpk1.il.home.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-AtHome0407 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en I think that would be a great idea. I am NOT interested in skins (at the moment), but I am interested in some of the more functional parts of the UI. It would be nice to channel the two completely different ideas into two separate newsgroups. "Simon P. Lucy" wrote: > > I think the Presidential race will be very boring this year. Noise about noise doesn't improve Shannon's theory at all, as this message demonstrates. > (not cross posted) > > Simon P. Lucy > Objective 2000 Ltd > > -----Original Message----- > From: Zac Spitzer [mailto:zacs@email.com] > Sent: 10 March 2000 12:43 > To: mozilla-ui@mozilla.org; mozilla-general@mozilla.org; mozilla-xpfe@mozilla.org > Subject: New newsgroup proposal n.p.m.skins > > Please note: cross posted to xpfe, ui & general > > There's a lot of traffic on ui & xpfe about skins > > as we approach beta and then every tom dick and larry decides they want > to make skins > for mozilla the signal to noise ratio will climb in these group as has > already been mentioned. > > what do people think.? From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:34 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mindspring.net!newsfeed.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: "Josh Hansen" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Talkback Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 15:18:34 -0800 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 12 Message-ID: <8ac04s$kfd$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> References: <000401bf8adf$e8a17a20$ef86fea9@mozilla> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.de.7a.7c X-Server-Date: 10 Mar 2000 23:23:08 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 > You running a proxy? Firewall? Is this for Mozilla or for 4.72? I have the same problem. I use the Mozilla nightlies behind a wingate 2.1d firewall/proxy. The talkback thing tries to connect through the proxy but fails. If this is a widespread problem it could reduce the amount of user feedback via talkback and thus decrease the quality of the product. - Josh From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:34 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Marshall Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: benchmarking web page load sequence Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 18:49:38 -0500 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 4 Message-ID: <38C98A12.7DFE9E4@pssnet.com> References: <28717e21.be209887@usw-ex0106-046.remarq.com> <38C830F7.E0318788@lemnet.com> <38C853C7.2A2D8713@pssnet.com> <38C8FDCF.58D7F16F@SSpaeth.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: HSE-Toronto-ppp86398.sympatico.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en > Try starting Mozilla.exe with -console, and WYSIWYW (What you see is > what you want :-) Very cool. The only command line option I knew about was -quiet :) From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:34 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!f.de.uu.net!uunet!zur.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!world!news From: steveo@localhost.localdomain (Steven W. Orr) Subject: Need help with Shockwave plugin under Linux NS-4.72 Sender: news@world.std.com (Mr Usenet Himself) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 01:04:54 GMT Reply-To: steveo@world.std.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp0b002.std.com Organization: The World @ Software Tool & Die X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.5 Lines: 62 I am trying to view a website that needs Shockwave. I find that the website works if I run netscape as root. When I try to run as steveo it fails. I even renamed my ~/.netscape out of the way and let netscape create a whole new one from scratch. When I run Help -> About Plugins I get the following display: Shockwave Flash File name: /usr/lib/netscape/plugins/npflash.so Flash file player Version 0.4.3 Shockwave is a trademark of Macromedia Author : Olivier Debon Mime Type Description Suffixes Enabled application/futuresplash Future Splash spl Yes application/x-shockwave-flash Flash Plugin swf No Shockwave Flash File name: /usr/lib/netscape/plugins/libflashplayer.so Shockwave Flash 4.0 r12 Mime Type Description Suffixes Enabled application/futuresplash FutureSplash Player spl Yes application/x-shockwave-flash Shockwave Flash swf No When I run as root, all the yes's are lit right up. I checked all the permissions on all the files and there is no problem. I even ran netscape from strace to see if there were any system calls that failed because of inadequate file permission problems. No dice. I also experimented with a contrib version of flash vs. the static version that comes from the NS download. The static version learly worked better. If anyone is interested, the site I'm try to view (as steveo) is http://www.e-kong.com/ I'm really intruiged at getting this thing working. If anyone has any advise to try, I'd be grateful. Please email as news is much harder for me right now than it will be in about a month. Many many TIA. -- -Time flies like the wind. Fruit flies like a banana. steveo@world.std.com- -Stranger things have happened but none stranger than this. Steven W. Orr- Does your driver's license say Organ Donor?Black holes are where God \ -------divided by zero. Listen to me! We are all individuals!--------- From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:34 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Ger-Bil Jinn Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Thanks for the crypto!!! Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:37:59 -0800 Organization: Gerbil-Box Lines: 48 Message-ID: <38C9A377.D4E78102@ucdavis.edu> References: <000401bf8ae6$02fe61c0$379dfea9@mozilla> NNTP-Posting-Host: d29-111.segubxgl.ucdavis.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en I tired to install it several times and it failed each time. <:3)~~ Stephen Donner wrote: > > How many times have you tried to install Personal Security Manager? It > worked, first time for me, yesterday.. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ger-Bil Jinn > Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general > To: mozilla-general@mozilla.org > Date: Friday, March 10, 2000 6:08 PM > Subject: Re: Thanks for the crypto!!! > > >when it attempts to install PSM I get a new window with a > >page that says: > > > >XPInstall Results > >PSM: Error encountered -- -225 > > > > My computer is a AMD K6-II 450 MHz with 96 megs RAM running > >Windoze 98. > > > > That's all the info I can give right now, crypto doesn't > >work for me :( > > > > <:3)~~ > > > >Daniel Veditz wrote: > >> -225 is EXTRACTION_FAILED, which only comes up in a couple of places. > >> Basically either something bad happened trying to decompress that file > out > >> of the archive (a corrupt archive? But not *too* corrupt or we wouldn't > >> have gotten this far -- we are already processing the install script at > >> this point) or it couldn't create the destination file. > >> > >> If you're sure your disk isn't full and you don't have read-only files or > >> directories in the way you might try downloading it again. Otherwise I'm > >> kind of stumped without more info and probably would need to run a > debugger > >> on your system. :-( > >> > >> -Dan Veditz > > > > From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:34 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mindspring.net!newsfeed.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: "Josh Hansen" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Noticeable progress Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 21:00:28 -0800 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 7 Message-ID: <8ack71$94g$1@slb2.atl.mindspring.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.de.7a.7c X-Server-Date: 11 Mar 2000 05:05:37 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I'm not so sure that this discussion group is the place, but I just wanted to say that I am pleased with the latest builds of Mozilla. I actually found myself using it as my browser for a reasonable length of time tonight, rather than IE5. Hooray! - Josh From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:34 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!gateway From: mWare@Ottawa.com (Mike Geiger) Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Noticeable progress Date: 11 Mar 2000 05:24:50 GMT Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 19 Message-ID: <38C9D8A2.8D504C8F@Ottawa.com> References: <8ack71$94g$1@slb2.atl.mindspring.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-207-200-73-41.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Josh Hansen CC: mozilla-general@mozilla.org I'm extremely happy with mozilla! I'm finding that it's loading in about 6 seconds and displaying moz.org about 2s after that! (Athlon500, Nortel 1 Meg Modem) Now, if only i could have it on my Palm Vx........ (go n.p.m.smalldevices!!!!) Myke Josh Hansen wrote: > wanted to say that I am pleased with the latest builds of Mozilla. I > actually found myself using it as my browser for a reasonable length of time > tonight, rather than IE5. Hooray! > - Josh From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:34 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: John Higgins Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Damn java crashes Date: 11 Mar 2000 07:17:38 GMT Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 21 Message-ID: <8acrui$m97$1@slb1.atl.mindspring.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: c7.b7.09.68 User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-19990517 ("Psychonaut") (UNIX) (SunOS/4.1.4 (sun4m)) I am so damned sick of Netscape crashing on certain sites. I'm assuming it's Java or ActiveX problems, but there are some sites where N 4.7, and now N 4.72, quickly freeze up.(newyork.citysearch.com is one common one, as is foodtv.com) There's something on cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS that not only crashes Netscape but actually blanks my screen, freezes my whole PC and requires a reboot. Is there some patch or plugin that can stop this. When I use MSIE, those sites are fine, but I prefer Netscape, damnit!! Will MI14 resolve thins??? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- John M. Higgins higgins@dorsai.org v)212-337-7024/f)212-337-7028 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:34 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Sebastian Spaeth Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: benchmarking web page load sequence Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 08:26:51 +0100 Organization: University of =?iso-8859-1?Q?Link=F6ping?= Lines: 10 Message-ID: <38C9F53B.DEBF36D7@SSpaeth.de> References: <28717e21.be209887@usw-ex0106-046.remarq.com> <38C830F7.E0318788@lemnet.com> <38C853C7.2A2D8713@pssnet.com> <38C8FDCF.58D7F16F@SSpaeth.de> <38C98A12.7DFE9E4@pssnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: f29.ryd.student.liu.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [de] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: sv,de,en > > Try starting Mozilla.exe with -console, and WYSIWYW (What you see is > > what you want :-) > > Very cool. The only command line option I knew about was -quiet :) It would be nice to hear if there are other useful features hidden behind unknown options... Anybdy knows some? Is there a listing of them somewhere around? Sebastian From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:34 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc2.tx.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38C9F8B7.B54706A3@home.com> From: Luke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: turn off ads in email window Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 3 Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 07:36:48 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.14.51.30 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc2.tx.home.com 952760208 24.14.51.30 (Fri, 10 Mar 2000 23:36:48 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 23:36:48 PST Organization: @Home Network My prefs.js file used to have a special line that turned off the ads that show in your email window, but it got deleted. What is it? From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:34 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Thorsten Kaiser Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Performance still not sufficient Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 09:30:37 +0100 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 18 Message-ID: <38CA042D.928338FC@t-online.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: p3E9ED726.dip.t-dialin.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: de-DE,en Hello everyone, first of all: I've noticed the progress Mozilla has made the last few weeks. MTBF has greatly improved, congratulations for that! But still... Most of you will have machines with quite quick processors such als Celerons 400 up to Athlons and PIIIs. I´m one of the not so few (I guess) which have older, slower processor speed, a pentium 133 in my case with W95 OSR2. On this machine with 98 meg RAM mozilla is MUCH slower than 4.7. Slower in a way that makes it close to being unusable. UI responsiveness and window startup and change time are quite bad. Sorry, but you should be aware that there are still a lot of slower machines out there. What is the benefit from a small footprint if Mozilla is soooo slow... Thorsten From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:34 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Christian Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Performance still not sufficient Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 10:06:25 +0100 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 30 Message-ID: <38CA0C91.51FF9D1E@gmx.de> References: <38CA042D.928338FC@t-online.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: christian-mattar.dialup.FH-Aachen.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Hi! Thorsten Kaiser wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > first of all: I've noticed the progress Mozilla has made the last few weeks. > MTBF has greatly improved, congratulations for that! > But still... > Most of you will have machines with quite quick processors such als > Celerons 400 up to Athlons and PIIIs. > I´m one of the not so few (I guess) which have older, slower processor > speed, a pentium 133 in my case with W95 OSR2. > On this machine with 98 meg RAM mozilla is MUCH slower than 4.7. > Slower in a way that makes it close to being unusable. > UI responsiveness and window startup and change time are quite bad. > > Sorry, but you should be aware that there are still a lot of slower > machines out there. What is the benefit from a small footprint if > Mozilla is soooo slow... There are currently lots of open performance bugs which have a high priority, so this will definitely improve during the next few weeks. Take a look at Chris Watersons laundry-list( note that it hasn't been updated for some time): http://www.mozilla.org/performance/laundry-list.html Christian From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:34 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: "B.T." Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Xdefaults for button events? Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 03:14:00 -0600 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 17 Message-ID: <38CA0E58.65BE12B0@NOSPAM.indiansprings.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: host-209-214-106-10.bhm.bellsouth.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en I am very impressed with Mozilla, and I am ready to use it as my default browser. The only thing stopping me is that I cannot determine how to emulate my Netscape Xdefaults modifications. I have Netscape set so that clicking and releasing button 3 returns to the previous page whereas clicking and holding button 3 while moving the pointer brings up the menu. The following is in my Xdefaults file and enables this behavior: Netscape*drawingArea.translations: \ : \n\ ,: xfeDoCommand(back)\n\ ,: xfeDoPopup()\n\ : ActivatePopup() \n\ What is the corresponding syntax for Mozilla? Thanks! -benjy From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:34 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: sitsofe@my-deja.com Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 10:55:57 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 7 Message-ID: <8ad8nt$37v$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <38C33B8B.EA5BB1A1@SPAMarcmedia.ch> <38C3AEE9.60959507@SSpaeth.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: 137.44.10.119 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Mar 11 10:55:57 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; N; Linux 2.2.12-20 i686; en-US; m14) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x36.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 137.44.10.119 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDsitsofe Perhaps these problems are being seen becuause of http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29370 (Memory Cache doesn't work for CSS and JS files)? Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:34 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!unlisys!news.snafu.de!fu-berlin.de!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: sitsofe@my-deja.com Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: a newbie question Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 11:02:54 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 8 Message-ID: <8ad94v$3ha$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <38C86326.465CB666@cs.uh.edu> <38C8F2F8.4909049D@lemnet.com> <38C90600.81FA4096@netreach.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 137.44.10.119 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Mar 11 11:02:54 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; N; Linux 2.2.12-20 i686; en-US; m14) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x22.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 137.44.10.119 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDsitsofe You could alway try taking a look at my Bookmark Browser Buster: http://sucs.swan.ac.uk/~sits/buster/ This is a javascript page to do exactly that... Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:34 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Lemming Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Thanks for the crypto!!! Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 14:17:55 +0000 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 16 Message-ID: <38CA5592.F9362920@lemnet.com> References: <000401bf8ae6$02fe61c0$379dfea9@mozilla> <38C9A377.D4E78102@ucdavis.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: usr994-kno.cableinet.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en Ger-Bil Jinn wrote: > I tired to install it several times and it failed each > time. What about disk space. I know at least WinZip needs enough space in C:\windows\temp to do all the work, which is then copied over to the correct location. Could this be the problem? Thanks, Lemming, LemNet Manager http://www.lemnet.com/banners/ - Free targeted advertising http://www.lemnet.com/domains/ - Is your domain available? http://www.lemnet.com/guestbooks/ - Free guestbooks From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:34 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Lemming Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Talkback Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 14:29:23 +0000 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 23 Message-ID: <38CA5843.B3F4FBC9@lemnet.com> References: <8abr0o$52i1@secnews.netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: usr994-kno.cableinet.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en Keith Bowes wrote: > Hello. > > I've noticed that the Netscape crash feedback component doesn't seem to work > correctly. It begins to send the data, but the send is unsuccessful. It > tries to send the data later, but that doesn't send either. After a few > tries at regular intervals, the program stops responding and I have to close > it with the task manager. > > I'm feeling that there's some serious problems here and it's not my fault. I have a differant problem with 4.7. The Netscape crashes, the talkback thing loads then crashes straight away. No idea why, I think it did that over a windows reinstall too. Thanks, Lemming, LemNet Manager http://www.lemnet.com/banners/ - Free targeted advertising http://www.lemnet.com/domains/ - Is your domain available? http://www.lemnet.com/guestbooks/ - Free guestbooks From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:34 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!gateway From: chofmann@netscape.com (Chris Hofmann) Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Talkback Date: 11 Mar 2000 14:59:20 GMT Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 30 Message-ID: <38CA5F48.C7233432@netscape.com> References: <8abr0o$52i1@secnews.netscape.com> <38CA5843.B3F4FBC9@lemnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-207-200-73-41.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Lemming CC: mozilla-general@mozilla.org if talkback itself crashes when it starts up, it is usually corruption in your blackbox configuration files, or an incompatibility between the blackbox configuration files and the version of the talkback client you have installed. you can try just removing C:\Program Files\Netscape\Communicator\Program\FullSoft\Data>permdata.box or some of of the steps explained in this article http://help.netscape.com/kb/consumer/19990914-1.html Seamonkey users that install over the top of an existing installation might also have some small exposure to this problem. Lemming wrote: > > > I have a differant problem with 4.7. The Netscape crashes, the talkback thing loads then crashes straight away. No idea why, I think it did that over a windows reinstall too. > > Thanks, > Lemming, > LemNet Manager > > http://www.lemnet.com/banners/ - Free targeted advertising > http://www.lemnet.com/domains/ - Is your domain available? > http://www.lemnet.com/guestbooks/ - Free guestbooks From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:34 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!gateway From: mWare@Ottawa.com (Mike Geiger) Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Performance still not sufficient Date: 11 Mar 2000 15:00:02 GMT Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 52 Message-ID: <38CA5F71.43DB2EFF@Ottawa.com> References: <38CA042D.928338FC@t-online.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-207-200-73-41.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit To: mozilla-general@mozilla.org My Bro's machine: P100,48MB EDO, EIDE: Mozilla: 1s to splash 18s to full window 1.5s to load moz.org/whatever 5s to load buffy.com (uncached) Netscape - 8s to load full win buffy.com (yes this is my brother's machine -I've got the k7 :) is a good 16 seconds later (and since it's his startup - I'm assuming most of it's cached.). My Machine: k7/500, 128 SD, UDMA66: (and I'm running seti@home full time) Mozilla .5s to splash 5.5s to full window <1s to moz.org (not cached) 3s for buffy.com (not cached) timed with a stop watch, not accurate.... Layout time is amazing, but load time still hurts on old machines.... (Side note: after I put mozilla on his machine, he was an instant convert!) Myke Thorsten Kaiser wrote: > Hello everyone, > > first of all: I've noticed the progress Mozilla has made the last few weeks. > MTBF has greatly improved, congratulations for that! > But still... > Most of you will have machines with quite quick processors such als > Celerons 400 up to Athlons and PIIIs. > I´m one of the not so few (I guess) which have older, slower processor > speed, a pentium 133 in my case with W95 OSR2. > On this machine with 98 meg RAM mozilla is MUCH slower than 4.7. > Slower in a way that makes it close to being unusable. > UI responsiveness and window startup and change time are quite bad. > > Sorry, but you should be aware that there are still a lot of slower > machines out there. What is the benefit from a small footprint if > Mozilla is soooo slow... > > Thorsten From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:34 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!gateway From: chofmann@netscape.com (Chris Hofmann) Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Talkback Date: 11 Mar 2000 15:09:42 GMT Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 41 Message-ID: <38CA61B5.F984B582@netscape.com> References: <001a01bf8ae8$e54df340$379dfea9@mozilla> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-207-200-73-41.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Stephen Donner CC: mozilla-general@mozilla.org, Josh Hansen namachi@netscape.com can provide the latest status on the things that are possible, and not possible, running the talkback client behind various proxies, and firewalls. there is some information here, but updates may be needed. http://home.netscape.com/eng/mozilla/4.5/relnotes/unix-4.5.html thanks chris h. Stephen Donner wrote: > choffman@netscape.com knows the Talkback manager. > > Hopefully your data will get to the appropriate code reviewer in time. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Josh Hansen > Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general > To: mozilla-general@mozilla.org > Date: Friday, March 10, 2000 6:26 PM > Subject: Re: Talkback > > >> You running a proxy? Firewall? Is this for Mozilla or for 4.72? > > > >I have the same problem. I use the Mozilla nightlies behind a wingate 2.1d > >firewall/proxy. The talkback thing tries to connect through the proxy but > >fails. If this is a widespread problem it could reduce the amount of user > >feedback via talkback and thus decrease the quality of the product. > > - Josh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:34 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news2.rdc1.on.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38CA76AE.17C60BAD@home.com> From: Phil Inglis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Cookies Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 7 Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 16:35:14 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.42.22.136 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news2.rdc1.on.home.com 952792514 24.42.22.136 (Sat, 11 Mar 2000 08:35:14 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 08:35:14 PST Organization: @Home Network Canada Does anyone here know how cookies work in Netscape. If I was writing an app to download a web page and I needed to send a cookie (for login) how would I go about doing that? I can get the page alright, but Im having a lot of trouble trying to find information on sending cookie data. Thanks Phil From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:34 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Daniel Veditz Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Performance still not sufficient Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 10:27:44 -0800 Organization: Speaking only for myself Lines: 27 Message-ID: <38CA9020.2F211740@netscape.com> References: <38CA042D.928338FC@t-online.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-205-217-240-67.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Thorsten Kaiser wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > first of all: I've noticed the progress Mozilla has made the last few weeks. > MTBF has greatly improved, congratulations for that! > But still... > Most of you will have machines with quite quick processors such als > Celerons 400 up to Athlons and PIIIs. > I´m one of the not so few (I guess) which have older, slower processor > speed, a pentium 133 in my case with W95 OSR2. > On this machine with 98 meg RAM mozilla is MUCH slower than 4.7. > Slower in a way that makes it close to being unusable. > UI responsiveness and window startup and change time are quite bad. > > Sorry, but you should be aware that there are still a lot of slower > machines out there. What is the benefit from a small footprint if > Mozilla is soooo slow... We are well aware. Performance on Win 9x is definitely way worse than Win NT, especially on slow machines and with limited memory (not your problem). I think our "slow" machine is a 166Mhz, not 133Mhz, but we *are* testing in your ballpark and are trying to solve the problem. Good thing you've got as much memory as you do, it could be worse :-) -Dan Veditz From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:34 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Daniel Veditz Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Thanks for the crypto!!! Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 10:32:44 -0800 Organization: Speaking only for myself Lines: 39 Message-ID: <38CA914C.889C8130@netscape.com> References: <38C943E6.2503F04@ucdavis.edu> <38C97954.F98D8A8B@netscape.com> <38C97F92.5AAED7C2@ucdavis.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-205-217-240-67.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en You didn't answer the question about how much disk space you had free. Could that be the problem? In the directory with mozilla.exe you should find a file called "install.log" -- could you post what it says about one of the times you attempted to install PSM? -Dan Veditz Ger-Bil Jinn wrote: > > Well I don't know how to get more detailed info other than > when it attempts to install PSM I get a new window with a > page that says: > > XPInstall Results > PSM: Error encountered -- -225 > > My computer is a AMD K6-II 450 MHz with 96 megs RAM running > Windoze 98. > > That's all the info I can give right now, crypto doesn't > work for me :( > > <:3)~~ > > Daniel Veditz wrote: > > -225 is EXTRACTION_FAILED, which only comes up in a couple of places. > > Basically either something bad happened trying to decompress that file out > > of the archive (a corrupt archive? But not *too* corrupt or we wouldn't > > have gotten this far -- we are already processing the install script at > > this point) or it couldn't create the destination file. > > > > If you're sure your disk isn't full and you don't have read-only files or > > directories in the way you might try downloading it again. Otherwise I'm > > kind of stumped without more info and probably would need to run a debugger > > on your system. :-( > > > > -Dan Veditz From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:35 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!gateway From: mWare@Ottawa.com (Mike Geiger) Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Performance still not sufficient Date: 11 Mar 2000 18:49:18 GMT Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 14 Message-ID: <38CA952E.386D2153@Ottawa.com> References: <38CA042D.928338FC@t-online.de> <38CA9020.2F211740@netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-207-200-73-41.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit CC: mozilla-general@mozilla.org Why would NT be faster than 9x? Daniel Veditz wrote: > > Sorry, but you should be aware that there are still a lot of slower > > machines out there. What is the benefit from a small footprint if > > Mozilla is soooo slow... > We are well aware. Performance on Win 9x is definitely way worse than Win > NT, especially on slow machines and with limited memory (not your problem). > I think our "slow" machine is a 166Mhz, not 133Mhz, but we *are* testing in > your ballpark and are trying to solve the problem. > Good thing you've got as much memory as you do, it could be worse :-) From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:35 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Jerry Baker Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Performance still not sufficient Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 11:20:37 -0800 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 14 Message-ID: <38CA9C85.7261EAC1@weirdness.com> References: <38CA042D.928338FC@t-online.de> <38CA9020.2F211740@netscape.com> <38CA952E.386D2153@Ottawa.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lsanca1-ar3-147-141.dsl.gtei.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.71 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Mike Geiger wrote: > > Why would NT be faster than 9x? > Because WindowsNT is *actually* a 32-bit operating system. Windows 95 and Windows 98 are really just a glorified and tweaked out DOSShell (remember DOSSHell? When was that? DOS 5?). -- Jerry Baker PGP Mail Preferred Key: http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x09DE91C6 From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:35 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Ger-Bil Jinn Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Thanks for the crypto!!! Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 11:36:46 -0800 Organization: Gerbil-Box Lines: 57 Message-ID: <38CAA04E.A4D8CAD8@ucdavis.edu> References: <38C943E6.2503F04@ucdavis.edu> <38C97954.F98D8A8B@netscape.com> <38C97F92.5AAED7C2@ucdavis.edu> <38CA914C.889C8130@netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d29-111.segubxgl.ucdavis.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Oh sorry, it slipped my mind, I got 1.9 gigs free from a 3.89 gig C drive partition. And here's the contents of the install.log: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://docs.iplanet.com/docs/manuals/psm/psm-mozilla/psm_1.1_win32.xpi -- 03/11/2000 11:33:16 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Netscape Personal Security Manager ---------------------------------- ** startInstall() returned: 0 ** ERROR (-225): Installing: C:\WINDOWS\DESKTOP\MOZILLA\BIN\psm\ui\psm_ui.properties ** ERROR (-225): Installing: C:\WINDOWS\DESKTOP\MOZILLA\BIN\psm\nscnv3231.dll ** ERROR (-225): Installing: C:\WINDOWS\DESKTOP\MOZILLA\BIN\psm\nsres3231.dll ** ERROR (-225): Installing: C:\WINDOWS\DESKTOP\MOZILLA\BIN\psm\plds3.dll ** ERROR (-225): Installing: C:\WINDOWS\DESKTOP\MOZILLA\BIN\psm\doc\cmcjavascriptapi.html ** ERROR (-225): Installing: C:\WINDOWS\DESKTOP\MOZILLA\BIN\psm\doc\prev.gif ** ERROR (-225): Installing: C:\WINDOWS\DESKTOP\MOZILLA\BIN\psm\ui\psm_text.properties ** ERROR (-225): Installing: C:\WINDOWS\DESKTOP\MOZILLA\BIN\psm\ui\psm_doc.properties ** ERROR (-225): Installing: C:\WINDOWS\DESKTOP\MOZILLA\BIN\psm\nsbrk3231.dll ** ERROR (-225): Installing: C:\WINDOWS\DESKTOP\MOZILLA\BIN\psm\doc\contents.htm ** ERROR (-225): Installing: C:\WINDOWS\DESKTOP\MOZILLA\BIN\psm\doc\release_notes.html ** ERROR (-225): Installing: C:\WINDOWS\DESKTOP\MOZILLA\BIN\psm\nspr3.dll ** ERROR (-225): Installing: C:\WINDOWS\DESKTOP\MOZILLA\BIN\psm\doc\license.html ** ERROR (-225): Installing: C:\WINDOWS\DESKTOP\MOZILLA\BIN\psm\doc\bannerrn.gif ** ERROR (-225): Installing: C:\WINDOWS\DESKTOP\MOZILLA\BIN\psm\nsfmt3231.dll ** ERROR (-225): Installing: C:\WINDOWS\DESKTOP\MOZILLA\BIN\psm\doc\06pcrypt.gif ** ERROR (-225): Installing: C:\WINDOWS\DESKTOP\MOZILLA\BIN\psm\ui\psm_bin.properties ** ERROR (-225): Installing: C:\WINDOWS\DESKTOP\MOZILLA\BIN\psm\plc3.dll ** ERROR (-225): Installing: C:\WINDOWS\DESKTOP\MOZILLA\BIN\psm\psm.exe ** ERROR (-225): Installing: C:\WINDOWS\DESKTOP\MOZILLA\BIN\psm\nsuni3231.dll ** ERROR (-225): Installing: C:\WINDOWS\DESKTOP\MOZILLA\BIN\psm\doc\cartbanner.gif ** ERROR (-225): Installing: C:\WINDOWS\DESKTOP\MOZILLA\BIN\psm\doc\04digsgn.gif ** ERROR (-225): Installing: C:\WINDOWS\DESKTOP\MOZILLA\BIN\psm\doc\glossary.htm ** ERROR (-225): Installing: C:\WINDOWS\DESKTOP\MOZILLA\BIN\psm\doc\help.htm ** ERROR (-225): Installing: C:\WINDOWS\DESKTOP\MOZILLA\BIN\psm\nscol3231.dll ** ERROR (-225): Installing: C:\WINDOWS\DESKTOP\MOZILLA\BIN\psm\doc\next.gif ** ERROR (-225): Installing: C:\WINDOWS\DESKTOP\MOZILLA\BIN\psm\ren8dot3.exe ** ERROR (-225): Installing: C:\WINDOWS\DESKTOP\MOZILLA\BIN\psm\doc\psmtest.html ** addDirectory() returned: -225 Install **FAILED** with error -225 Finished Installation 03/11/2000 11:33:19 Daniel Veditz wrote: > > You didn't answer the question about how much disk space you had free. > Could that be the problem? > > In the directory with mozilla.exe you should find a file called > "install.log" -- could you post what it says about one of the times you > attempted to install PSM? > > -Dan Veditz From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:35 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Raneman Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Menu Changes - ToolBar Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 13:34:25 -0800 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 28 Message-ID: <38CABBE1.5E7C@linkline.com> References: <38C6E0BA.1D44@linkline.com> <38C6E727.CC6A2F33@home.com> <38C8A5F8.4CF9@linkline.com> <38C8CF94.B6C535D@StarTrekMail.com> Reply-To: raneman@REMOVElinkline.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dsl-gte-gr12446-1.linkline.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I) To: Robert Kaiser Robert Kaiser wrote: > > On one hand Mozilla/Netscape 6.0 code is very different from 3.x or 4.x > code as it hasn't kept _any_ code line from there, everything was > rewritten from scratch.... > > On the other hand, that's a very strange thing which has been happening > to you... I've never seen/read of something like that before. If you > don't fnd someone to respond in Netscape newsgroups (I don't think > anyone in this ng will answer you), then you'll stay with the only > chance to mail that search engine admin - perhaps they will be patient > enough to tell you.... > > Robert Kaiser Robert: Though the site is not in English, I will try to find some way, even a blind to Postmaster/Webmaster or whatever and see what happens. With the help of 2 now, plus a nice message from a prior NS owner I feel some progress toward a solution is being made. Thanks for your kind and very nice reply; it is appreciated and very helpful knowledge-wise re version code variances. Gordon raneman@linkline.com From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:35 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Goofy root Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Communicator 4.72 now unstable - due to background programs running? Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 23:13:49 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 79 Message-ID: <8aejv8$v2e$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <38C8AE8D.3F5795C9@orac.net.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.117.18.8 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Mar 11 23:13:49 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x25.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 206.117.18.8 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDgoofy_root My buddy downloaded NC 4.72 into my WinNT 4.0 workstation. Somehow it kept crashing whenever he tried "Prefences" to change something, e.g., e-mail address, fonts, etc. I realized there's a file that is updated whenever you alter the settings called "preferences.js" I found out it was in "READ ONLY" meaning you can't update at all. I unchecked the READ ONLY and it's NC 4.72 not crashing anymore. You may also go to your MS-DOS prompt and issue command like: attrib c:\*.* /s -r where switch -s will turn off READ ONLY to all files recursively. I hope that will work. -- reply to goofy underscore root at yahoo.com In article <38C8AE8D.3F5795C9@orac.net.au>, bioaccent@orac.net.au wrote: > Netscape Communicator 4.72 (or 4.7) has now become unstable and keeps > crashing at random. I am wondering whether it is caused by one of the > background programs running. What *are* these programs which Windows > starts automatically? > > I am running Win 95B with MS Office 97, and HP Officejet > Printer/Scanner, and software including Omnipage, and a Decision Tools > program called @Risk. > > On booting up, the initial Windows screen [Desktop] has the following 10 > programs running behind it: > > 1. Explorer > 2. Systray > (these two appear to be essential) > 3. Findfast > 4. Dtole > 5. Msmsgs > 6. Osa > 7. Loadwc > 8. Opware16 > 9. Opware32 > 10. Procdb > > In most cases I have no idea what they do or whether it is necessary for > these to start running automatically. > > However, I think at least one is messing up my system: Scandisk > continually restarts, Defragmenter takes a lot longer than it should > through restarting, and now Netscape Communicator 4.72 (or 4.7) has now > become unstable and keeps crashing at random. When I shut some of these > background programs down using Control-Alt-Delete, the stability and > operation of these 3 programs improves. > > The Start button / Programs / Start Up contains only three items: > Microsoft Find Fast (presumably number 3 in my list above); Office > Start Up, and HP Picture Link (presumably part of my scanner software). > > Any insight into: > 1. what these programs are, and > 2. how I can stop the unnecessary ones automatically starting up > would be welcome. > > By the way, I am getting two types of crashes: > 1. Freezes (often but not necessarily when sending email) - needs > reset button / Scandisk > 2. A blue DOS-type screen with a message which the computer shop tells > me indicates some incompatibility in the system caused by programs that > are running. > I have uninstalled and reinstalled Netscape several times. > > David Fayle > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:35 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Goofy root Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Communicator 4.72 now unstable - due to background programs running? Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 23:14:30 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 79 Message-ID: <8aek0j$v2n$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <38C8AE8D.3F5795C9@orac.net.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.117.18.8 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Mar 11 23:14:30 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x26.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 206.117.18.8 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDgoofy_root My buddy downloaded NC 4.72 into my WinNT 4.0 workstation. Somehow it kept crashing whenever he tried "Prefences" to change something, e.g., e-mail address, fonts, etc. I realized there's a file that is updated whenever you alter the settings called "preferences.js" I found out it was in "READ ONLY" meaning you can't update at all. I unchecked the READ ONLY and it's NC 4.72 not crashing anymore. You may also go to your MS-DOS prompt and issue command like: attrib c:\*.* /s -r where switch -s will turn off READ ONLY to all files recursively. I hope that will work. -- reply to goofy underscore root at yahoo.com In article <38C8AE8D.3F5795C9@orac.net.au>, bioaccent@orac.net.au wrote: > Netscape Communicator 4.72 (or 4.7) has now become unstable and keeps > crashing at random. I am wondering whether it is caused by one of the > background programs running. What *are* these programs which Windows > starts automatically? > > I am running Win 95B with MS Office 97, and HP Officejet > Printer/Scanner, and software including Omnipage, and a Decision Tools > program called @Risk. > > On booting up, the initial Windows screen [Desktop] has the following 10 > programs running behind it: > > 1. Explorer > 2. Systray > (these two appear to be essential) > 3. Findfast > 4. Dtole > 5. Msmsgs > 6. Osa > 7. Loadwc > 8. Opware16 > 9. Opware32 > 10. Procdb > > In most cases I have no idea what they do or whether it is necessary for > these to start running automatically. > > However, I think at least one is messing up my system: Scandisk > continually restarts, Defragmenter takes a lot longer than it should > through restarting, and now Netscape Communicator 4.72 (or 4.7) has now > become unstable and keeps crashing at random. When I shut some of these > background programs down using Control-Alt-Delete, the stability and > operation of these 3 programs improves. > > The Start button / Programs / Start Up contains only three items: > Microsoft Find Fast (presumably number 3 in my list above); Office > Start Up, and HP Picture Link (presumably part of my scanner software). > > Any insight into: > 1. what these programs are, and > 2. how I can stop the unnecessary ones automatically starting up > would be welcome. > > By the way, I am getting two types of crashes: > 1. Freezes (often but not necessarily when sending email) - needs > reset button / Scandisk > 2. A blue DOS-type screen with a message which the computer shop tells > me indicates some incompatibility in the system caused by programs that > are running. > I have uninstalled and reinstalled Netscape several times. > > David Fayle > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:35 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!netnews.globalip.ch!news.worldcom.ch!not-for-mail From: Patrick Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: It must be so simple Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 23:35:44 +0000 Organization: IP worldcom Lines: 10 Message-ID: <38CAD844.632FE3B3@worldcom.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: portls033.worldcom.ch Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.worldcom.ch 952813502 15420 212.74.155.33 (11 Mar 2000 22:25:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.worldcom.ch NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Mar 2000 22:25:02 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: fr Hello ! I have a PowerCenter 150 (MacOS), Communicator 4.5 french version, bookmarks to import from Microsoft Exchange (PC). Is there a tool to convert Microsoft Exchange adressbook into Netscape ? The import function of my Communicator doesn't work. Thanks From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:35 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!news.tig.com.au!not-for-mail From: "Michael Hendy" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Performance still not sufficient Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 11:12:22 +1100 Organization: The Internet Group (Sydney) Lines: 11 Message-ID: <8aenbh$n7e$1@bugstomper.ihug.com.au> References: <38CA042D.928338FC@t-online.de> <38CA9020.2F211740@netscape.com> <38CA952E.386D2153@Ottawa.com> <38CA9C85.7261EAC1@weirdness.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p37-max42.syd.ihug.com.au X-Server-Date: 12 Mar 2000 00:11:29 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 > > Why would NT be faster than 9x? > > > > Because WindowsNT is *actually* a 32-bit operating system. Windows 95 > and Windows 98 are really just a glorified and tweaked out DOSShell > (remember DOSSHell? When was that? DOS 5?). I tested Moz out on a c366/64MB RAM running Win98, and it feels so sluggish compared to my c400/64MB RAM/NT4 :( From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:35 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ihug.co.nz!news.tig.com.au!not-for-mail From: "Michael Hendy" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: It must be so simple Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 11:16:17 +1100 Organization: The Internet Group (Sydney) Lines: 11 Message-ID: <8aenir$n9s$1@bugstomper.ihug.com.au> References: <38CAD844.632FE3B3@worldcom.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: p37-max42.syd.ihug.com.au X-Server-Date: 12 Mar 2000 00:15:23 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 This is the wrong Newsgroup for your problem. Perhaps one of the following would be better: netscape.communicator.mac netscape.macintosh Have a nice day! From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:35 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!news.tig.com.au!not-for-mail From: "Michael Hendy" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Thanks for the crypto!!! Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 11:25:56 +1100 Organization: The Internet Group (Sydney) Lines: 8 Message-ID: <8aeo4p$nem$1@bugstomper.ihug.com.au> References: <38C943E6.2503F04@ucdavis.edu> <38C97954.F98D8A8B@netscape.com> <38C97F92.5AAED7C2@ucdavis.edu> <38CA914C.889C8130@netscape.com> <38CAA04E.A4D8CAD8@ucdavis.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: p37-max42.syd.ihug.com.au X-Server-Date: 12 Mar 2000 00:24:57 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 > Oh sorry, it slipped my mind, I got 1.9 gigs free from a 3.89 gig C drive partition. Just run scandisk - I've had free space errors that have been that inaccurate before with FAT32 From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:35 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: "Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T." Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Performance still not sufficient Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 21:21:05 -0500 Organization: VPEA Lines: 42 Message-ID: <38CAFF05.8C76DA23@kimbanet.com> References: <38CA042D.928338FC@t-online.de> <38CA0C91.51FF9D1E@gmx.de> Reply-To: pjones@kimbanet.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.34.233.200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en It also afects old Mac PowerPC Machines as well. Christian wrote: > > Hi! > > Thorsten Kaiser wrote: > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > first of all: I've noticed the progress Mozilla has made the last few weeks. > > MTBF has greatly improved, congratulations for that! > > But still... > > Most of you will have machines with quite quick processors such als > > Celerons 400 up to Athlons and PIIIs. > > I´m one of the not so few (I guess) which have older, slower processor > > speed, a pentium 133 in my case with W95 OSR2. > > On this machine with 98 meg RAM mozilla is MUCH slower than 4.7. > > Slower in a way that makes it close to being unusable. > > UI responsiveness and window startup and change time are quite bad. > > > > Sorry, but you should be aware that there are still a lot of slower > > machines out there. What is the benefit from a small footprint if > > Mozilla is soooo slow... > > There are currently lots of open performance bugs which have a high > priority, so this will definitely improve during the next few weeks. > Take a look at Chris Watersons laundry-list( note that it hasn't been > updated for some time): > > http://www.mozilla.org/performance/laundry-list.html > > Christian -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Phillip M. Jones, CET |MEMBER:VPEA (LIFE) ETA-I, NESDA,ISCET, Sterling 616 Liberty Street |Who's Who. PHONE:540-632-5045, FAX:540-632-0868 Martinsville Va 24112-1809|pjones@kimbanet.com, ICQ11269732, AIM pjonescet -------------------------------------------------------------------------- If it's "fixed", don't "break it"! From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:35 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: "Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T." Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Talkback Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 21:28:34 -0500 Organization: VPEA Lines: 28 Message-ID: <38CB00C5.C7FD2CD8@kimbanet.com> References: <000401bf8adf$e8a17a20$ef86fea9@mozilla> <8ac04s$kfd$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> Reply-To: pjones@kimbanet.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.34.233.200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en I give this notice on this newsgroup as well. Apple macintosh OS 9 is incompatible with any form of Talkback Full Circle. any Machine with OS 9 will crash hard with a -119 system error. There is even a explaination of why the -119 error. They've changed the file tracking system to keep track of more open files and folders. So don't waste your time installing Talkback unless the code has been changed since OS 9's coming on the market. Josh Hansen wrote: > > > You running a proxy? Firewall? Is this for Mozilla or for 4.72? > > I have the same problem. I use the Mozilla nightlies behind a wingate 2.1d > firewall/proxy. The talkback thing tries to connect through the proxy but > fails. If this is a widespread problem it could reduce the amount of user > feedback via talkback and thus decrease the quality of the product. > - Josh -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Phillip M. Jones, CET |MEMBER:VPEA (LIFE) ETA-I, NESDA,ISCET, Sterling 616 Liberty Street |Who's Who. PHONE:540-632-5045, FAX:540-632-0868 Martinsville Va 24112-1809|pjones@kimbanet.com, ICQ11269732, AIM pjonescet -------------------------------------------------------------------------- If it's "fixed", don't "break it"! From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:35 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!gateway From: dhs@voyager.net (Hall Stevenson) Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: It must be so simple Date: 12 Mar 2000 03:03:52 GMT Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 14 Message-ID: <20000311220352.B4208@eruption.voyager.net> References: <38CAD844.632FE3B3@worldcom.ch> Reply-To: Hall Stevenson NNTP-Posting-Host: h-207-200-73-41.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: mozilla-general@mozilla.org Try exporting the Exchange addressbook to a more "standard" format, if possible. Then, Communicator may have better luck "importing" it. Regards, Hall * Patrick (derhamp@worldcom.ch) [000311 18:42]: > I have a PowerCenter 150 (MacOS), Communicator 4.5 french version, > bookmarks to import from Microsoft Exchange (PC). > > Is there a tool to convert Microsoft Exchange adressbook into Netscape ? > The import function of my Communicator doesn't work. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:35 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!gateway From: chofmann@netscape.com (Chris Hofmann) Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Performance still not sufficient Date: 12 Mar 2000 03:33:11 GMT Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 40 Message-ID: <38CB0FF7.76D173B@netscape.com> References: <000801bf8bd0$4608bf20$6a79fea9@mozilla> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-207-200-73-41.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Stephen Donner CC: mozilla-general@mozilla.org, Michael Hendy This man knows what runs smoothly and what does not!. ;-) He has submitted more Seamonkey talkback crash reports than any other person in the universe by a two to one margin..... Mr. Donner ROCKS! chris h. Stephen Donner wrote: > Not me, but then again, I was running a P200 with 48 megs and NT sucks on 48 > megs, period. (Or was it because I was running NTFS?). My 98 SE box runs > much smoother... > > Window switching on NT was disastrous (service pack 6). > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Hendy > Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general > To: mozilla-general@mozilla.org > Date: Saturday, March 11, 2000 10:02 PM > Subject: Re: Performance still not sufficient > > >> > Why would NT be faster than 9x? > >> > > >> > >> Because WindowsNT is *actually* a 32-bit operating system. Windows 95 > >> and Windows 98 are really just a glorified and tweaked out DOSShell > >> (remember DOSSHell? When was that? DOS 5?). > > > >I tested Moz out on a c366/64MB RAM running Win98, and it feels so sluggish > >compared to my c400/64MB RAM/NT4 :( > > > > > > > > From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:35 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!gateway From: chofmann@netscape.com (Chris Hofmann) Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Performance still not sufficient Date: 12 Mar 2000 04:39:19 GMT Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 74 Message-ID: <38CB1F76.8A21D579@netscape.com> References: <000401bf8bd5$3191d900$6a79fea9@mozilla> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-207-200-73-41.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Stephen Donner CC: mozilla-general@mozilla.org Yes, we can easily throw away the dups, or use good judgment to tell us about the frequency users might encounter any given problem, over time our database analysis tools of the talkback reports are getting better and more refined... You can't give us too many crash reports. Keep 'em comin' thanks . chris h. Stephen Donner wrote: > Chris, and others; are they really helpful? I mean, most of them *are* due > to the same circumstance, IE the http://cgi.netscape.com bug (I think it > uses a re-director mechanism). > > I won't flood your box with the common gateway interface bugs if you already > have enough info to knock them down. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Hofmann > To: Stephen Donner > Cc: mozilla-general@mozilla.org ; Michael Hendy > > Date: Saturday, March 11, 2000 10:35 PM > Subject: Re: Performance still not sufficient > > > > >This man knows what runs smoothly and what does not!. ;-) > > > >He has submitted more Seamonkey talkback crash reports than > >any other person in the universe by a two to one margin..... > > > >Mr. Donner ROCKS! > > > >chris h. > > > >Stephen Donner wrote: > > > >> Not me, but then again, I was running a P200 with 48 megs and NT sucks on > 48 > >> megs, period. (Or was it because I was running NTFS?). My 98 SE box runs > >> much smoother... > >> > >> Window switching on NT was disastrous (service pack 6). > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Michael Hendy > >> Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general > >> To: mozilla-general@mozilla.org > >> Date: Saturday, March 11, 2000 10:02 PM > >> Subject: Re: Performance still not sufficient > >> > >> >> > Why would NT be faster than 9x? > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> Because WindowsNT is *actually* a 32-bit operating system. Windows 95 > >> >> and Windows 98 are really just a glorified and tweaked out DOSShell > >> >> (remember DOSSHell? When was that? DOS 5?). > >> > > >> >I tested Moz out on a c366/64MB RAM running Win98, and it feels so > sluggish > >> >compared to my c400/64MB RAM/NT4 :( > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:35 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Daniel Crisman Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Default html.css & link:focus:outline Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 00:12:44 -0500 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 2 Message-ID: <38CB274C.6DBCF54F@d6.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-s161-n152-as1.nerdc.ufl.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Can anyone tell me why the default html.css has outline set to '1px dotted black' and not 'none'? From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:35 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!unlisys!news.snafu.de!diablo.theplanet.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peernews!news2-hme0.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38CB4C6E.934A7919@cwcom.net> From: Allan Purnell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr,de,it,Latin MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Save WebPages for offline viewing function in NC 4.6 ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 8 Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 07:51:11 +0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.44.4.253 X-Trace: news2-hme0 942025516 195.44.4.253 (Mon, 08 Nov 1999 01:45:16 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 01:45:16 GMT Is there a function in NC 4.6 whereby one can easily save WebPages and even WebSites to any configurable page depth in their entirety to disk for offline viewing, like "make available offline" and synchronization in IE5? Thanks, Allan From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:35 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Irve Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Default html.css & link:focus:outline Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 11:39:34 +0200 Organization: Letargia ja sisalik Lines: 12 Message-ID: <38CB65D6.5E717D22@metal.ee> References: <38CB274C.6DBCF54F@d6.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp150.estpak.ee Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: et,en Daniel Crisman wrote: > > Can anyone tell me why the default html.css has outline set to '1px > dotted black' and not 'none'? to mimic IE? I find it also quite annoying, why is it useful? -- Irve | http://www.hot.ee/irve Mostly harmless From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:35 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Thorsten Kaiser Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Performance still not sufficient Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 15:22:01 +0100 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 51 Message-ID: <38CBA809.F0676ACC@t-online.de> References: <38CA042D.928338FC@t-online.de> <38CA9020.2F211740@netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pC19F806B.dip.t-dialin.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: de-DE,en Daniel Veditz wrote: > > Thorsten Kaiser wrote: > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > first of all: I've noticed the progress Mozilla has made the last few weeks. > > MTBF has greatly improved, congratulations for that! > > But still... > > Most of you will have machines with quite quick processors such als > > Celerons 400 up to Athlons and PIIIs. > > I´m one of the not so few (I guess) which have older, slower processor > > speed, a pentium 133 in my case with W95 OSR2. > > On this machine with 98 meg RAM mozilla is MUCH slower than 4.7. > > Slower in a way that makes it close to being unusable. > > UI responsiveness and window startup and change time are quite bad. > > > > Sorry, but you should be aware that there are still a lot of slower > > machines out there. What is the benefit from a small footprint if > > Mozilla is soooo slow... > > We are well aware. Performance on Win 9x is definitely way worse than Win > NT, especially on slow machines and with limited memory (not your problem). > I think our "slow" machine is a 166Mhz, not 133Mhz, but we *are* testing in > your ballpark and are trying to solve the problem. > > Good thing you've got as much memory as you do, it could be worse :-) > > -Dan Veditz Dan, it´s good to know that you folks are aware of the problem. For me, als long as the menus don´t feel nearly as quick as native menus, working with mozilla requires SOME patience and good will. The other posts are correct, it´s not rendering that is the problem but creating new windows and the menus. I guess that is mainly because you don´t use native widgets for the menus but XUL but I can´t figure out why startup times (app and new items) are so big. >From my perspective rendering speed is a good marketing argument but users will only be converted when responsiveness improves significantly. Again: I know we´re only advancing beta and it´s too early to complain, but things should be noted. Anyway, you do a very good job, keep up with that! Thorsten From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:35 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ70!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Ralph C. Blach" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Imap leave message on server Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 09:23:09 -0500 Organization: Intrex.net Lines: 10 Message-ID: <38CBA84D.D0E37C88@intrex.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.5-15 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I want to use linux/netscape/imap mail and leave the messages on the server. Can Netscape be told to leave the messages on the server when using Imap? Thanks Chip From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:35 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.atl.bellsouth.net.MISMATCH!newsfeed.atl!news1.mia.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "James" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Windows 2000 Compatability Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Message-ID: <4vPy4.31598$wk.1451648@news1.mia> Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 10:23:33 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.60.25.62 X-Trace: news1.mia 952878144 208.60.25.62 (Sun, 12 Mar 2000 11:22:24 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 11:22:24 EST Not sure if right group - but here goes... Running W2K (Final) under a normal user account (not admin). When run as admin no probs. When run as normal user, I get several errors related to file permission problems... The first one I fixed...changed user group's permissions on %SYSTEMROOT%/nsreg.dat to read/write, etc... This let me get profiles built for users. Now when netscape starts, I get the following error: Failed to update the system registry. Please try using REGEDIT. I click OK, and everything seems to work fine. How do I get rid of this message? Do I need to change permissions on a registry hive and if so which one? Message is a little vauge. Thanks in advance... James toprice@bellsouth.net From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:35 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Ger-Bil Jinn Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Thanks for the crypto!!! Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 10:24:09 -0800 Organization: Gerbil-Box Lines: 7 Message-ID: <38CBE0C9.EF7CCB37@ucdavis.edu> References: <38C943E6.2503F04@ucdavis.edu> <38C97954.F98D8A8B@netscape.com> <38C97F92.5AAED7C2@ucdavis.edu> <38CA914C.889C8130@netscape.com> <38CAA04E.A4D8CAD8@ucdavis.edu> <8aeo4p$nem$1@bugstomper.ihug.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: d29-111.segubxgl.ucdavis.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Ran it, no errors found, crypto still doesn't work :( <:3)~~ Michael Hendy wrote: > Just run scandisk - I've had free space errors that have been that > inaccurate before with FAT32 From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:35 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Jerry Baker Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Windows 2000 Compatability Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 11:42:19 -0800 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 33 Message-ID: <38CBF31B.F56CF56A@weirdness.com> References: <4vPy4.31598$wk.1451648@news1.mia> NNTP-Posting-Host: lsanca1-ar3-147-141.dsl.gtei.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.71 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en James wrote: > > Not sure if right group - but here goes... > > Running W2K (Final) under a normal user account (not admin). When run as > admin no probs. When run as normal user, I get several errors related to > file permission problems... > > The first one I fixed...changed user group's permissions on > %SYSTEMROOT%/nsreg.dat to read/write, etc... This let me get profiles built > for users. Now when netscape starts, I get the following error: > > Failed to update the system registry. > Please try using REGEDIT. > > I click OK, and everything seems to work fine. How do I get rid of this > message? Do I need to change permissions on a registry hive and if so which > one? Message is a little vauge. > > Thanks in advance... > > James > toprice@bellsouth.net This forum is for the discussion of Mozilla development. General Netscape Communicator questions should go to snews://secnews.netscape.com/netscape.communicator. -- Jerry Baker PGP Mail Preferred Key: http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x09DE91C6 From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:35 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: "Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T." Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Imap leave message on server Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 15:23:54 -0500 Organization: VPEA Lines: 40 Message-ID: <38CBFCCF.41D90602@kimbanet.com> References: <000a01bf8c5f$40a992e0$491cfea9@mozilla> Reply-To: pjones@kimbanet.com NNTP-Posting-Host: fang11-20.kimbanet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Actually, since the rollout of Communicator 4.7 you can do the same with POP mail as well as Imap. Edit > Preferences > Mail & newsgroups > Mail Server. Click on name of Mail Server then click on Edit. When edit window opens click tab that says POP. You can set "Leave messages on Server" and "Delete on server when deleted locally". Uhh Huh, Uhh Huh! Stephen Donner wrote: > > Actually, that's the whole idea of IMAP. :-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ralph C. Blach > Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general > To: mozilla-general@mozilla.org > Date: Sunday, March 12, 2000 9:34 AM > Subject: Imap leave message on server > > >I want to use linux/netscape/imap mail and leave the messages on the > >server. > > > >Can Netscape be told to leave the messages on the server when using > >Imap? > > > >Thanks > > > >Chip > > > > > > -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Phillip M. Jones, CET |MEMBER:VPEA (LIFE) ETA-I, NESDA,ISCET, Sterling 616 Liberty Street |Who's Who. PHONE:540-632-5045, FAX:540-632-0868 Martinsville Va 24112-1809|pjones@kimbanet.com, ICQ11269732, AIM pjonescet -------------------------------------------------------------------------- If it's "fixed", don't "break it"! From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:35 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: "Jonas Sicking" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: UA strings Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 22:53:43 +0100 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 22 Message-ID: <8ah3kg$n2q1@secnews.netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.247.16.49 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I'm in the process of making a tool for mailing webmasters about mozilla/netscape incompatible pages. One of the errors is wrong parsing of the UA string so I need tell them what the new UA strings will look like (both in the http request and the navigator.userAgent and navigator.appVersion props). I know there has been some heavy discussions about how the UA should look like for mozilla. Has there been anything decided? Are we going to keep with how it looks now? Also, has there been anything decided from Netscape what their UA strings will look like. I guess it should be pretty nailed down by now due to the beta. I was also planning to refer people to the page http://developer.netscape.com/docs/examples/javascript/browser_type.html The page seems fine except that I thought that mozilla supports js1.5? -- Jonas Sicking From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:35 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!news1.optus.net.au!optus!news0.optus.net.au!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38CC314F.A9FF6C48@orac.net.au> From: David Fayle Reply-To: bioaccent@orac.net.au Organization: BioAccent Pty Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ja,de,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Communicator 4.72 now unstable - due to background programs running? References: <38C8AE8D.3F5795C9@orac.net.au> <38C8DCAC.ED59B680@weirdness.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 30 Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 00:08:18 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 202.76.128.8 NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:08:18 EST Jerry Baker wrote: > David Fayle wrote: > > > > Netscape Communicator 4.72 (or 4.7) has now become unstable and keeps > > crashing at random. I am wondering whether it is caused by one of the > > background programs running. What *are* these programs which Windows > > starts automatically? > > > > > > Kill FindFast and OSA and watch all your programs become more stable. > Please post future questions about Netscape Communicator in > snews://secnews.netscape.com/netscape.communicator. This group is for > the discussion of Netsape 6.0 (hey, JS says it's not Mozilla right? Try > navigator.userAgent). > > -- > Jerry Baker Thanks Jerry How can I stop FindFast and OSA (whatever that is) starting up - I really don't want to have to use Control-Alt-Del all the time. Thanks also Goofy - I will try your suggestion David From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:35 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!gateway From: bioaccent@orac.net.au (David Fayle) Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Communicator 4.72 now unstable - due to background programs running? Date: 13 Mar 2000 00:44:21 GMT Organization: BioAccent Pty Ltd Lines: 88 Message-ID: <38CC39E4.88A63AAA@orac.net.au> References: <38C8AE8D.3F5795C9@orac.net.au> <38C8DCAC.ED59B680@weirdness.com> <38CC314F.A9FF6C48@orac.net.au> <38CC366A.3050506@earthlink.net> Reply-To: bioaccent@orac.net.au NNTP-Posting-Host: h-207-200-73-41.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: Stephen Donner CC: mozilla-general@mozilla.org, Jerry Baker Thanks Stephen Unless OSA is "Office Start Up", it is not in my Start up folder - there = are only three things there - Microsoft Find Fast (presumably number 3 in my = list); Office Start Up, and HP Picture Link (presumably part of my scanner softw= are). What 5 of the other 7 programs running are, who knows? There should be s= ome way of looking at a part of a file to find out what its function is and what application it is attached to. By the way, the crashes I am getting are of two types: 1. Freezes =96 requires pressing reset button. 2. A blue DOS-type screen with a message like this: =93An exception 0E has occurred at 0028: C002 AFD6 in VxD IFSMGR(01) + 00= 00 38D2. This was called from 0028:C104 CB0E in VxD VTDI(01) + 0000 00BA. It may = be possible to continue normally.=94 (It never is, and sometimes I get one like this:) =93A fatal exception 0E has occurred at 0028: C002 AFD6 in VxD IFSMGR(01)= + 0000 38D2. The current application will be terminated.=94 Once this has happened, Communicator can usually be restarted but is alwa= ys very unstable, and to get it working at all, you need to re-boot. After a cra= sh like this, I tried shutting down FindFast and OSA using Control-Alt-Del, then restarting Communicator, but it was still unstable. PS Goofy - I Tried your suggestion: prefs.js is not read only on my syst= em - =93Archive=94 was selected.! David Fayle Stephen Donner wrote: > Go to your start menu, program files, then startup. FindFast is an > Office97 app that is always installed (unless by custom). and OSA I'm > not sure about, but just delete them from that folder, reboot and you'r= e > good as gold. > > David Fayle wrote: > > > Jerry Baker wrote: > > > > > David Fayle wrote: > > > > > > > > Netscape Communicator 4.72 (or 4.7) has now become unstable and = keeps > > > > crashing at random. I am wondering whether it is caused by one > of the > > > > background programs running. What *are* these programs which Wi= ndows > > > > starts automatically? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kill FindFast and OSA and watch all your programs become more stab= le. > > > Please post future questions about Netscape Communicator in > > > snews://secnews.netscape.com/netscape.communicator. This group is = for > > > the discussion of Netsape 6.0 (hey, JS says it's not Mozilla right= ? Try > > > navigator.userAgent). > > > > > > -- > > > Jerry Baker > > > > Thanks Jerry > > > > How can I stop FindFast and OSA (whatever that is) starting up - I r= eally > > don't want to have to use Control-Alt-Del all the time. > > > > Thanks also Goofy - I will try your suggestion > > > > David > > > > > From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:35 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: "Mike J." Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Communicator 4.72 now unstable - due to background programs running? Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 18:53:11 -0700 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 101 Message-ID: <8ahhnc$pi81@secnews.netscape.com> References: <38C8AE8D.3F5795C9@orac.net.au> <38C8DCAC.ED59B680@weirdness.com> <38CC314F.A9FF6C48@orac.net.au> <38CC366A.3050506@earthlink.net> <38CC39E4.88A63AAA@orac.net.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.65.197.56.ab.wave.home.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 OSA - Office Startup Assistant I believe is the acronym. Its like a pre-load of part of the office files to make later launch seemingly quicker to achieve .. you do not need it loaded ... its just one of those things (like real player's start center thingamajig (TM) that sits in the tray to quick-launch real player) Mike J -- * Have you made money surfing the web today? * * I did, on January 7, 2000, a $33.64 cheque. * * http://www.alladvantage.com/joinsecure.asp?refid=bot753 * "David Fayle" wrote in message news:38CC39E4.88A63AAA@orac.net.au... Thanks Stephen Unless OSA is "Office Start Up", it is not in my Start up folder - there are only three things there - Microsoft Find Fast (presumably number 3 in my list); Office Start Up, and HP Picture Link (presumably part of my scanner software). What 5 of the other 7 programs running are, who knows? There should be some way of looking at a part of a file to find out what its function is and what application it is attached to. By the way, the crashes I am getting are of two types: 1. Freezes - requires pressing reset button. 2. A blue DOS-type screen with a message like this: "An exception 0E has occurred at 0028: C002 AFD6 in VxD IFSMGR(01) + 0000 38D2. This was called from 0028:C104 CB0E in VxD VTDI(01) + 0000 00BA. It may be possible to continue normally." (It never is, and sometimes I get one like this:) "A fatal exception 0E has occurred at 0028: C002 AFD6 in VxD IFSMGR(01) + 0000 38D2. The current application will be terminated." Once this has happened, Communicator can usually be restarted but is always very unstable, and to get it working at all, you need to re-boot. After a crash like this, I tried shutting down FindFast and OSA using Control-Alt-Del, then restarting Communicator, but it was still unstable. PS Goofy - I Tried your suggestion: prefs.js is not read only on my system - "Archive" was selected.! David Fayle Stephen Donner wrote: > Go to your start menu, program files, then startup. FindFast is an > Office97 app that is always installed (unless by custom). and OSA I'm > not sure about, but just delete them from that folder, reboot and you're > good as gold. > > David Fayle wrote: > > > Jerry Baker wrote: > > > > > David Fayle wrote: > > > > > > > > Netscape Communicator 4.72 (or 4.7) has now become unstable and keeps > > > > crashing at random. I am wondering whether it is caused by one > of the > > > > background programs running. What *are* these programs which Windows > > > > starts automatically? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kill FindFast and OSA and watch all your programs become more stable. > > > Please post future questions about Netscape Communicator in > > > snews://secnews.netscape.com/netscape.communicator. This group is for > > > the discussion of Netsape 6.0 (hey, JS says it's not Mozilla right? Try > > > navigator.userAgent). > > > > > > -- > > > Jerry Baker > > > > Thanks Jerry > > > > How can I stop FindFast and OSA (whatever that is) starting up - I really > > don't want to have to use Control-Alt-Del all the time. > > > > Thanks also Goofy - I will try your suggestion > > > > David > > > > > From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:35 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Daniel Veditz Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Performance still not sufficient Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 21:33:04 -0800 Organization: Speaking only for myself Lines: 11 Message-ID: <38CC7D90.4BCBAAE9@netscape.com> References: <000601bf8c7f$5fa13980$491cfea9@mozilla> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-205-217-240-44.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Stephen Donner wrote: > > Does Mozilla run benchmarking software or do you test times by hand? Both. We stopwatch things, investigate trouble spots with various profilers, and have sections of code instrumented to output timings when certain switches are set (either compiled in, or runtime switches in debug builds). -Dan Veditz From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:35 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: John Bandhauer Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: PBS Special? Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 21:37:49 -0800 Organization: minions of mozilla Lines: 8 Message-ID: <38CC7EAD.82E6F477@netscape.com> References: <38CC510F.3000109@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-205-217-243-23.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: Stephen Donner Stephen Donner wrote: > > Anyone know then that PBS special about Mozilla/Open Source is on? http://www.coderush.com http://www.coderush.com/screenings.html John. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:35 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Daniel Veditz Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: PBS Special? Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 21:38:29 -0800 Organization: Speaking only for myself Lines: 11 Message-ID: <38CC7ED5.22DADAD0@netscape.com> References: <38CC510F.3000109@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-205-217-240-44.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Stephen Donner wrote: > > Anyone know then that PBS special about Mozilla/Open Source is on? Officially March 30 at 10pm. PBS stations seem to have quite a bit of leeway about when they show network programming so check your local station. http://www.pbs.org/whatson/index.html -Dan Veditz From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:35 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Bob Crawford Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: www.cnn.com/videoselect and M14? Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 05:13:07 -0600 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 16 Message-ID: <38CCCD43.FC005067@io.com> References: <38CC3DE3.1000204@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cs9351-169.austin.rr.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Stephen Donner wrote: > Loaded this site with M14 and I got the following message: > CNN Video select requires Cascading Style Sheets. Please enable them in > your preferences. > Little do they know I am using Mozilla. > - Stephen > Yeah, CNN's browser detection code is busted... their "mycnn.com" site lets you get quite a ways in before it suddenly decides to tell you your browser is unrecognized. CNN would make a good candidate for a hi-visibility "update your site's code" campaign From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:35 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Colin Blake Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Thanks for the crypto!!! Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 09:24:31 -0500 Organization: OpenVMS Lines: 10 Message-ID: <38CCFA1F.70BA0118@theblakes.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.manchester-03-04rs.nh.dial-access.att.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: fr-FR,en On my RedHat 6.1 Linux box, I downloaded and installed the new M14 kit. Then I installed the PSM stuff. It said it all installed just fine. I exited and restarted Mozilla. But when I try to browse to a secure page nothing happens. If I click on the padlock in the bottom right corner, after about 10 seconds I get a window that contains "Socket Error 10049". Any ideas what I'm doing wrong? Colin. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:36 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!unlisys!news.snafu.de!diablo.theplanet.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!nmaster.kpnqwest.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!EU.net!den-news-02.qwest.net!qwest!wdc-read-01.qwest.net!not-for-mail From: "Jason Cheatham" Subject: Nescape Proxy Server 3.5 and Internet Explorer Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Message-ID: <01bf8d05$fd97cc40$49c988aa@JChetha> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Lines: 17 Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 16:09:58 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.207.51.61 X-Complaints-To: news-admin@qwestip.net X-Trace: wdc-read-01.qwest.net 952963798 216.207.51.61 (Mon, 13 Mar 2000 09:09:58 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 09:09:58 MST Hi, I use Internet Explorer with Netscape Proxy Server 3.5 on Unix. I have a problem with Internet Explorer toggling between a current version and an older version of a webpage when you click on the "Refresh" button. I have tried disabling the caching of the web page, but that only helped with Netscape browsers, but had no effect on the Internet Explorer browsers. I have tested several different versions of Internet Explorer, and they all behave the same way. Also, I can go to any computer on the network, and see the same older page, so I know it's not the local cache. Any suggestions to fix this problem or insight of how Internet Explorer uses cache differently then Netscape, would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Jason From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:36 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Jerry Baker Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Nescape Proxy Server 3.5 and Internet Explorer Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 08:16:03 -0800 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 29 Message-ID: <38CD1443.F9450F18@weirdness.com> References: <01bf8d05$fd97cc40$49c988aa@JChetha> NNTP-Posting-Host: lsanca1-ar3-147-141.dsl.gtei.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.71 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Jason Cheatham wrote: > > Hi, > I use Internet Explorer with Netscape Proxy Server 3.5 on Unix. > I have a problem with Internet Explorer toggling between a current version > and an older version of a webpage when you click on the "Refresh" button. > I have tried disabling the caching of the web page, but that only helped > with Netscape browsers, but had no effect on the Internet Explorer > browsers. > I have tested several different versions of Internet Explorer, and they > all behave the same way. Also, I can go to any computer on the network, > and see the same older page, so I know it's not the local cache. Any > suggestions to fix this problem or insight of how Internet Explorer uses > cache differently then Netscape, would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Jason Internet Explorer ignores the Last-Modified date on objects fed to it via HTTP. It just caches everything. IE ignores lots of things that it is not supposed to ignore. Content-Type is another one I can think of off of the top of my head. -- Jerry Baker PGP Mail Preferred Key: http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x09DE91C6 From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:36 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: "Keith Bowes" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Sidebar Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:18:22 -0500 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 16 Message-ID: <8aj4n3$1m31@secnews.netscape.com> References: <8aj4f3$1k41@secnews.netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208-26-98-84.inetone.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 "Matthew Rogers" wrote in message news:8aj4f3$1k41@secnews.netscape.com... > The sidebar sucks, how do I get rid of it? I can't find any options in > preferences and right clicking does nothing. I know I can resize it to move > to the side of the screen, but all I want is a straight forward browser > window. > > Matt > > It's in the "View" menu. Make sure "Sidebar" is unchecked. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:36 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Jerome Kwok Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Some feelings about Mozilla Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 01:25:27 +0800 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 19 Message-ID: <38CD2487.33D0A78F@cs.cityu.edu.hk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp7-182.att.net.hk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-TW I tried every Mozilla milestones since M6 (or something like that). I know programming, wanna participate in the project, but feeling the community is difficult to get into. So I just file bugs in Bugzilla... When M13 was released, I was amazed by its reliability and performance. Since that, I tried nearly every nightly builds after M13. However, the reliability and performance becoming worse and worse... M14 was the worst build I ever seen. It shows no significant improvements over the last release, just bugs, just slow downs. Post M14 builds are also very bad, keep going down. My home page now no longer be rendered by the latest nightly builds, hit by two major bugs. I'm tired filing in Bugzilla, slow responses. Perhaps developers are shooting PDT+s, but also creating new blockers. Hackers, please make sure your checkins are in good quality. Check bugzilla if you are creating side effects. I wanna see the anniversal build kicks. Or I need to wait for Netscape 7? From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:36 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Marshall Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Final Release Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:29:14 -0500 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 14 Message-ID: <38CD256A.24DD0983@pssnet.com> References: <8aj2vv$1i12@secnews.netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: HSE-Toronto-ppp88144.sympatico.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Matthew Rogers wrote: > > Does anyone have any speculation on when Mozilla will become Navigator 5, > available to the public? The beta will be out in a month or 2. The full version should be a few more months after that. So definatly before the end of the year :) > Netscape 4's very poor CSS support is causing me a ton of headaches. Everyone gets them :) Soon it will be IE that causes those headaches... I've already started to feel them. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:36 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Sebastian Spaeth Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.mozilla.ui Subject: Re: Sidebar Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 18:33:01 +0100 Organization: University of =?iso-8859-1?Q?Link=F6ping?= Lines: 18 Message-ID: <38CD264D.C89A6657@SSpaeth.de> References: <8aj4f3$1k41@secnews.netscape.com> <8aj4n3$1m31@secnews.netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: f29.ryd.student.liu.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [de] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: sv,de,en Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.general:17146 netscape.public.mozilla.ui:6806 > > The sidebar sucks, how do I get rid of it? I can't find any options in > > preferences and right clicking does nothing. I know I can resize it to > move > > to the side of the screen, but all I want is a straight forward browser > > window. > It's in the "View" menu. Make sure "Sidebar" is unchecked. I really wonder why people are asking this all the time? I personally think is not so difficult to find and View->Sidebar(checked/unchecked) is pretty intuitive, isn't it? Maybe in customize sidebar there should be an additional hide_sidebar_completely button which does the same as unchecking view->Sidebar. Sebastian (crossposted to n.p.m.UI) From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:36 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Marshall Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Disable Sidebar UI Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:33:26 -0500 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 12 Message-ID: <38CD2666.9548C9E8@pssnet.com> References: <8aj4f3$1k41@secnews.netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: HSE-Toronto-ppp88144.sympatico.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en > The sidebar sucks, how do I get rid of it? I can't find any options in > preferences and right clicking does nothing. I know I can resize it to move > to the side of the screen, but all I want is a straight forward browser > window. I think this might be a good example of how to make the UI better. This user was unable to find the view->sidebar option, maybe it should also be available in the right click menu. I know on the start bar in windows (With IE4+ installed) if you right click it allows you to disable/enable different toolbars similar to what this user was trying. Maybe we should add a similar option. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:36 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!gateway From: tshanno@luc.edu (Thomas Shannon) Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Disable Sidebar UI Date: 13 Mar 2000 18:10:19 GMT Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 45 Message-ID: <20000313.18101900@mis.configured.host> References: <8aj4f3$1k41@secnews.netscape.com> <38CD2666.9548C9E8@pssnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-207-200-73-41.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: Marshall CC: mozilla-general@mozilla.org On 3/13/00, 11:33:26 AM, Marshall wrote regarding = Re: Disable Sidebar UI: > > The sidebar sucks, how do I get rid of it? I can't find any options= =20 in > > preferences and right clicking does nothing. I know I can resize it= =20 to move > > to the side of the screen, but all I want is a straight forward=20 browser > > window. > I think this might be a good example of how to make the UI better. =20 This > user was unable to find the view->sidebar option, maybe it should also= > be available in the right click menu. For what its worth, I also think a bit more attention could be paid to=20 these context-sensitive menus. For instance, I have submitted a=20 suggestion that "send page" be added to the browser window menu. It=20 didn't make it into M14 but I still have hope for the beta. There are=20 probably many other possibilities. =20 I always tell beginners that the secret to Windows is the=20 "right-click". Microsoft in particular does an excellent job of=20 anticipating what a user may need to do in particular situations. =20 They then make it easy to find the proper command by making it only a=20 right-click away. We should learn from them. The right-click is very=20 convenient for those who don't have the time or inclination to search=20 through all of the menus and preferences to find out how to change or=20 do something. Context-sensitive menus aren't just another way of=20 doing things. They are frequently the best way, especially for beginner= s. Tom From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:36 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: "Scott A. Colcord" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Disable Sidebar UI Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 13:18:16 -0500 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 26 Message-ID: <8ajbcf$1h65@secnews.netscape.com> References: <8aj4f3$1k41@secnews.netscape.com> <38CD2666.9548C9E8@pssnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: wallmsi.mediastation.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I'd say that cloning IE's method of putting a small 'x' in the upper right corner to hide the sidebar panel would eliminate all of these issues. IE has some good UI techniques...we shouldn't be shy about taking the ones we like. Scott A. Colcord Software Engineer "Marshall" wrote in message news:38CD2666.9548C9E8@pssnet.com... > > The sidebar sucks, how do I get rid of it? I can't find any options in > > preferences and right clicking does nothing. I know I can resize it to move > > to the side of the screen, but all I want is a straight forward browser > > window. > > I think this might be a good example of how to make the UI better. This > user was unable to find the view->sidebar option, maybe it should also > be available in the right click menu. I know on the start bar in > windows (With IE4+ installed) if you right click it allows you to > disable/enable different toolbars similar to what this user was trying. > > Maybe we should add a similar option. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:36 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Marshall Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Final Release Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 13:23:34 -0500 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 26 Message-ID: <38CD3226.AD85FB2F@pssnet.com> References: <8aj2vv$1i12@secnews.netscape.com> <38CD256A.24DD0983@pssnet.com> <8ajasn$1ic2@secnews.netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: HSE-Toronto-ppp88144.sympatico.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en > What's been giving you problems with IE? The only thing I've noticed is how > objects will inherit the properties. A few things. One of the ones that stumped me was the way Mozilla handles float vs the way IE handles it. Mozilla thinks that float is floating on top of everything, so relative divs go underneath it and the text flows around the edges. IE thinks that float is just like relative. So a relative div gets placed beside it. For my page, I wound up having to create a browser sniffer and attaching different style sheets to the page because the left in Mozilla was not the same as the left in IE. +---+ +---+ | | | | | |-+ | | +-----+ | | | | | | | +---+ | +---+ | | | | | | +-----+ +-----+ Mozilla Same code - IE 1 Float layer 1 Relative layer From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:36 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.idt.net!nntp3.giganews.com!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Issac Goldstand Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Using roaming profiles Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 18:38:20 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 19 Message-ID: <8ajcis$6h6$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 147.161.1.25 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Mar 13 18:38:20 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.08 [en] (WinNT; I ;Nav) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x39.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 147.161.1.25 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDneojct Hi. I am trying to set up Netscape roaming profiles for a bunch of users. I'm trying to set it up to work with LDAP (because it seems to me that that allows more admin control over preferences). However, after exhausting searches through the Netscape site, I came up with only one relevant document: Understanding Directory-Based Preferences by Edwin Aoki - which did not explain very much. Is there anyplace that I can find complete documentation about how to manually set up an LDAP server to work with Netscape roaming profiles??? Thanks in advance, Issac Goldstand Jerusalem College of Technology -- Internet is a wonderful mechanism for making a fool of yourself in front of a very large audience. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:36 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: "Matthew Rogers" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Final Release Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 10:52:32 -0800 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 18 Message-ID: <8aj2vv$1i12@secnews.netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.189.157.253 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Does anyone have any speculation on when Mozilla will become Navigator 5, available to the public? Netscape 4's very poor CSS support is causing me a ton of headaches. Specifically in referencing .css files. If I have a division with ID="LAYER_MAIN" and a .css file with #LAYER_MAIN { background-color: #000000; } It doesn't change the background color to black. In fact, anything that's referencing through the div tag doesn't work at all. Anyone have any suggestions? Matt From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:36 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Robert Kaiser Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Final Release Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 20:03:24 +0100 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 5 Message-ID: <38CD3B7C.B36B5107@StarTrekMail.com> References: <8aj2vv$1i12@secnews.netscape.com> <38CD256A.24DD0983@pssnet.com> <8ajasn$1ic2@secnews.netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: server.hirsch.sth.ac.at Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [de] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: de-AT,de,en-US,en,it > What's been giving you problems with IE? The only thing I've noticed is how > objects will inherit the properties. See the IE bug sheet at RichInStyle.com From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:36 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: "Matthew Rogers" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Sidebar Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:17:40 -0800 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 8 Message-ID: <8aj4f3$1k41@secnews.netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.189.157.253 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 The sidebar sucks, how do I get rid of it? I can't find any options in preferences and right clicking does nothing. I know I can resize it to move to the side of the screen, but all I want is a straight forward browser window. Matt From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:36 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!gmt2000.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "rvj" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: copyright basics Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 20:04:04 -0000 Message-ID: <952977850.116.0.nnrp-08.9e9837d2@news.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: gmt2000.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: gmt2000.demon.co.uk:158.152.55.210 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 952977850 nnrp-08:116 NO-IDENT gmt2000.demon.co.uk:158.152.55.210 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Lines: 17 1. I think I understand the aims of open source but does this mean that say any UIs designed using XUL would not subject to copyright. 2. Apple lost its look and feel case - so is it pointless to develop a distinct UI based on Mozilla 3. Are there any/many companies building derivate commercial products from the Mozilla . 4. If so what types of products would be commercially viable? From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:36 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!gateway From: gbreland@healthtech.net (Greg Breland) Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: RE: Some feelings about Mozilla Date: 13 Mar 2000 20:20:34 GMT Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 51 Message-ID: <1B85F084906ED111B1220000F878067063E479@ahtmail> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-207-200-73-41.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: "'Jerome Kwok'" , "'mozilla-general@mozilla.org'" I have had the exact same experience. I have been downloading the Milestones since M8. I have tried to break into the development side of things, but there does not seem to be a good place to break in at. If there is, it is very hard to find such a place. I think a better description of what each CVS branch did with more detail would help. I have also noticed the downward slide of nightly builds ever since M14. I have been downloading nightly builds since M10. A week before M14, I was blown away at how stable and fast Mozilla was getting. M14 was just horrible and not usable on Linux. It has gotten steadily better since M14, and last nights build was finally useable again. Most of this was due to the scroll bar not working. I can not use a browser, I can not even test if the main scroll bar does not work. I would welcome any hints on how to break into the programming side of Mozilla. I have hacked many a project, but Mozilla seems to be over my head for some reason. Greg > -----Original Message----- > From: Jerome Kwok [mailto:ptmkwok@cs.cityu.edu.hk] > > I tried every Mozilla milestones since M6 (or something like that). I > know programming, wanna participate in the project, but feeling the > community is difficult to get into. So I just file bugs in > Bugzilla... > > When M13 was released, I was amazed by its reliability and > performance. > Since that, I tried nearly every nightly builds after M13. > However, the > reliability and performance becoming worse and worse... M14 was the > worst build I ever seen. It shows no significant > improvements over the > last release, just bugs, just slow downs. > > Post M14 builds are also very bad, keep going down. My home > page now no > longer be rendered by the latest nightly builds, hit by two major > bugs. I'm tired filing in Bugzilla, slow responses. Perhaps > developers > are shooting PDT+s, but also creating new blockers. > > Hackers, please make sure your checkins are in good quality. Check > bugzilla if you are creating side effects. I wanna see the anniversal > build kicks. Or I need to wait for Netscape 7? > From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:36 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!gateway From: ian@lemnet.com (Lemming) Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Talkback Date: 13 Mar 2000 20:51:48 GMT Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 33 Message-ID: <38CD54E4.3F54BCCB@lemnet.com> References: <8abr0o$52i1@secnews.netscape.com> <38CA5843.B3F4FBC9@lemnet.com> <38CA5F48.C7233432@netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-207-200-73-41.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Chris Hofmann CC: mozilla-general@mozilla.org Chris Hofmann wrote: > if talkback itself crashes when it starts up, > it is usually corruption in your blackbox configuration files, > or an incompatibility between the blackbox configuration files > and the version of the talkback client you have installed. > > you can try just removing > C:\Program Files\Netscape\Communicator\Program\FullSoft\Data>permdata.box > > or some of of the steps explained in this article > http://help.netscape.com/kb/consumer/19990914-1.html > > Seamonkey users that install over the top of an existing installation > might also have some small exposure to this problem. > > Lemming wrote: > > > > > > > I have a differant problem with 4.7. The Netscape crashes, the talkback thing loads then crashes straight away. No idea why, I think it did that over a windows reinstall too. > > > > Thanks, > > Lemming, Well, I'be done that and it didn't work. Thanks, Lemming, LemNet Manager http://www.lemnet.com/ - Returning soon... From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:36 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Lemming Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Disable Sidebar UI Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 20:59:43 +0000 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 22 Message-ID: <38CD56BE.BF960F14@lemnet.com> References: <8aj4f3$1k41@secnews.netscape.com> <38CD2666.9548C9E8@pssnet.com> <8ajbcf$1h65@secnews.netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: usr763-kno.cableinet.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en "Scott A. Colcord" wrote: > I'd say that cloning IE's method of putting a small 'x' in the upper right > corner to hide the sidebar panel would eliminate all of these issues. > > IE has some good UI techniques...we shouldn't be shy about taking > the ones we like. > > Scott A. Colcord > Software Engineer I tried doing this when I was working on my IE skin ( http://www.lemnet.com/ieskin ) but it creates some problems. Either you move the current grippy up to the top of the seperator bar and make it (and the whole seperator bar wider), or you move it into the sidebar header, in which case it doesn't hide properly. All the grippies are 'inteligent' as to what they hide, they just don't always get it right. Thanks, Lemming, LemNet Manager http://www.lemnet.com/banners/ - returning soon From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:36 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Lemming Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Some feelings about Mozilla Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 21:04:41 +0000 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 21 Message-ID: <38CD57E9.BBD916A6@lemnet.com> References: <1B85F084906ED111B1220000F878067063E479@ahtmail> NNTP-Posting-Host: usr763-kno.cableinet.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en Greg Breland wrote: > I would welcome any hints on how to break into the programming side of > Mozilla. I have hacked many a project, but Mozilla seems to be over my head > for some reason. > > Greg Fidn a bug in bugzilla that you feel you are capable of, post a message to the bug and do a bit of digging in the source. When you find the problem post a patch to that bug and hopefully it should get included. Remember just testing build and reporting bugs is still very important. Thanks, Lemming, LemNet Manager http://www.lemnet.com/banners/ - Free targeted advertising http://www.lemnet.com/domains/ - Is your domain available? http://www.lemnet.com/guestbooks/ - Free guestbooks From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:36 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: "Matthew Rogers" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Final Release Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 13:05:31 -0800 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 24 Message-ID: <8ajasn$1ic2@secnews.netscape.com> References: <8aj2vv$1i12@secnews.netscape.com> <38CD256A.24DD0983@pssnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.189.157.253 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Marshall wrote in message news:38CD256A.24DD0983@pssnet.com... > > > Matthew Rogers wrote: > > > > Does anyone have any speculation on when Mozilla will become Navigator 5, > > available to the public? > > The beta will be out in a month or 2. The full version should be a few > more months after that. So definatly before the end of the year :) > > > Netscape 4's very poor CSS support is causing me a ton of headaches. > > Everyone gets them :) Soon it will be IE that causes those headaches... > I've already started to feel them. What's been giving you problems with IE? The only thing I've noticed is how objects will inherit the properties. Matt From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:36 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: "Matthew Rogers" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Disable Sidebar UI Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 13:08:41 -0800 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 28 Message-ID: <8ajb2u$1h64@secnews.netscape.com> References: <8aj4f3$1k41@secnews.netscape.com> <38CD2666.9548C9E8@pssnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.189.157.253 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I agree. I RARELY use the View menu in any program. Either I right click to see the source, or hit some of the shortcut keys. The Preferences area let's the user customize some of the views, but not all; such as that stupid bar. Good CSS support, but a terrible interface. It makes me feel like the program can crash at any time. Matt Marshall wrote in message news:38CD2666.9548C9E8@pssnet.com... > > The sidebar sucks, how do I get rid of it? I can't find any options in > > preferences and right clicking does nothing. I know I can resize it to move > > to the side of the screen, but all I want is a straight forward browser > > window. > > I think this might be a good example of how to make the UI better. This > user was unable to find the view->sidebar option, maybe it should also > be available in the right click menu. I know on the start bar in > windows (With IE4+ installed) if you right click it allows you to > disable/enable different toolbars similar to what this user was trying. > > Maybe we should add a similar option. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:36 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Lemming Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: copyright basics Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 21:09:46 +0000 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 32 Message-ID: <38CD591A.25CC6B45@lemnet.com> References: <952977850.116.0.nnrp-08.9e9837d2@news.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: usr763-kno.cableinet.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en rvj wrote: > 1. I think I understand the aims of open source but does this mean that say > any UIs designed using XUL would not subject to copyright. I think all XUL (and any code coming from Mozilla) is automatically under the NPL, you should probably check that for full details. > 2. Apple lost its look and feel case - so is it pointless to develop a > distinct UI based on Mozilla So? When people install an aqua skin they are trying to emulate the Mac. Every time they (or someone else) uses their computer they are reminded about Apple. In that way it has a positive effect for the company. Personally I think the whole Aqua case was just to get a bit more publicity for Apple. > 3. Are there any/many companies building derivate commercial products from > the Mozilla . Yes. > 4. If so what types of products would be commercially viable? I think nokia or someone are going to be using Mozilla in a set-top box, under some form of linux. There was another company that was writing its interface in XUL. Thanks, Lemming, LemNet Manager http://www.lemnet.com/banners/ - Free targeted advertising http://www.lemnet.com/domains/ - Is your domain available? http://www.lemnet.com/guestbooks/ - Free guestbooks From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:36 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Daniel Veditz Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Some feelings about Mozilla Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 13:26:47 -0800 Organization: Speaking only for myself Lines: 30 Message-ID: <38CD5D17.AC1A9B58@netscape.com> References: <1B85F084906ED111B1220000F878067063E479@ahtmail> <38CD57E9.BBD916A6@lemnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-205-217-240-51.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Lemming wrote: > > Greg Breland wrote: > > > I would welcome any hints on how to break into the programming side of > > Mozilla. I have hacked many a project, but Mozilla seems to be over my head > > for some reason. > > > > Greg > > Fidn a bug in bugzilla that you feel you are capable of, post a message to > the bug and do a bit of digging in the source. When you find the problem > post a patch to that bug and hopefully it should get included. In particular bugs with "help wanted" in the keywords (or was it status whiteboard?) field are not being looked at by anyone at the moment, so you don't have to worry about duplicating work. Ditto for bugs assigned to "nobody@mozilla.org". Once you've found a bug that's in an area that looks interesting to you you can post to a newsgroup relevant to that part of the product asking for hints about where that part of the code is handled. Then set some breakpoints and watch the control flow for that part of the product. Crashes may be the easiest bugs to find. Sometimes the cause is an obvious code error right at the point it crashed, often you have to work backwards trying to find where the bogus data came from, but at least you know where to start looking. -Dan Veditz From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:36 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Peter Trudelle Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.mozilla.ui Subject: Re: Sidebar Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 13:56:12 -0800 Organization: Netscape Communications Lines: 26 Message-ID: <38CD63FC.6C3D9A70@netscape.com> References: <8aj4f3$1k41@secnews.netscape.com> <8aj4n3$1m31@secnews.netscape.com> <38CD264D.C89A6657@SSpaeth.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-208-12-39-205.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.general:17162 netscape.public.mozilla.ui:6836 Sebastian Spaeth wrote: > > > The sidebar sucks, how do I get rid of it? > > I really wonder why people are asking this all the time? I personally > think is not so difficult to find and View->Sidebar(checked/unchecked) > is pretty intuitive, isn't it? If people are asking this all the time, that pretty much answers your second question. This is probably why MS put an 'X' close button on theirs. > Maybe in customize sidebar there should be an additional > hide_sidebar_completely button which does the same as unchecking > view->Sidebar. I doubt that users looking to get rid of it are likely to try customizing it. Then again, they seem to tolerate Start>Shutdown... Peter -- Peter Trudelle XPToolkit Manager Netscape Communications From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:36 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Daniel Veditz Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: copyright basics Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 14:05:27 -0800 Organization: Speaking only for myself Lines: 46 Message-ID: <38CD6627.FAC37339@netscape.com> References: <952977850.116.0.nnrp-08.9e9837d2@news.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-205-217-240-51.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en rvj wrote: > > 1. I think I understand the aims of open source but does this mean that say > any UIs designed using XUL would not subject to copyright. "Open Source" code depends /heavily/ on copyright. It is only because copyright forbids copying without the copyright holder's permission that we can attach licenses that allow others to reproduce the code and product if and ONLY if the copier follows a list of conditions we set down. As far as I know, however, there have not been any open source "look and feel" copyright registrations, just copyrights on source code and documentation. It could be done, I just don't think anyone has bothered or come up with anything original enough yet. > 2. Apple lost its look and feel case - so is it pointless to develop a > distinct UI based on Mozilla Just because one particular case was won or lost does not mean any other case would be decided the same way. The particulars are extremely important in these kinds of things. You need to talk to a lawyer. > 3. Are there any/many companies building derivate commercial products from > the Mozilla . Yes. How could you know about Mozilla without knowing this? Netscape obviously is one, but there are others as well. Nokia, IBM, Citec, Neoplanet, etc. > 4. If so what types of products would be commercially viable? What do you mean by "commercially viable"? It would indeed be hard to sell a plain Mozilla derivative if that's what you mean. In part because competitors could start from the same open source, but more importantly because Microsoft Internet Explorer is free and bundled with the OS for 90% of desktop systems. You could, however, use Mozilla as a component in some other kind of product. Open source Mozilla frees you from having to re-invent the "browser" wheel, but you still have to put the rest of the car together. A get-rich-quick repackager is not going to make any money, but if you create a significant and creative service or product using the browser you have and deserve a shot. -Dan Veditz From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:36 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: "Scott A. Colcord" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: copyright basics Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 17:10:16 -0500 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 17 Message-ID: <8ajovg$3311@secnews.netscape.com> References: <952977850.116.0.nnrp-08.9e9837d2@news.demon.co.uk> <38CD591A.25CC6B45@lemnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: wallmsi.mediastation.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 "Lemming" wrote in message news:38CD591A.25CC6B45@lemnet.com... > rvj wrote: > > > 1. I think I understand the aims of open source but does this mean that say > > any UIs designed using XUL would not subject to copyright. > > I think all XUL (and any code coming from Mozilla) is automatically under the NPL, you should probably check that for full details. I think (or at least I /hope/) that that's the MPL, not the NPL, except where necessary. ----Scott From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:36 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Waldo ? Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.mozilla.ui Subject: Re: Sidebar Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 14:47:36 -0800 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 22 Message-ID: <8ajr68$37n4@secnews.netscape.com> References: <8aj4f3$1k41@secnews.netscape.com> <8aj4n3$1m31@secnews.netscape.com> <38CD264D.C89A6657@SSpaeth.de> <38CD63FC.6C3D9A70@netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-216-101-213-251.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.general:17165 netscape.public.mozilla.ui:6851 Peter Trudelle wrote: > > Sebastian Spaeth wrote: > > > > > The sidebar sucks, how do I get rid of it? > > > > I really wonder why people are asking this all the time? I personally > > think is not so difficult to find and View->Sidebar(checked/unchecked) > > is pretty intuitive, isn't it? > > If people are asking this all the time, that pretty much answers your second > question. This is probably why MS put an 'X' close button on theirs. > This sounds like a bug, and as I didn't see it existing already, I just filed it. http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31684 W From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:36 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!news-out.nntp.airnews.net.MISMATCH!cabal10.airnews.net!news.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: Tim Whaling Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Posting to secure servers Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 19:31:37 -0600 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 12 Message-ID: <1068B5A76F40AE50.35CBD6FC8C9A3A77.1DB4A6C437C535D3@lp.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <38CD9679.5060701@airmail.net> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: 204.181.96.50 NNTP-Posting-Time: Mon Mar 13 19:32:49 2000 NNTP-Posting-Host: !^U`M1k-Y.JKBZT (Encoded at Airnews!) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Netscape 5.0 X-Accept-Language: en Could someone explain to me how to post to the secure server for netscape using M14. The server I have set up is secnews.netscape.com with the SSL option checked. The news group is netscape.communicator. This is the same set up I run in Communicator 4.72. When I try to read the newsgroup it gives me the error message: A News (NNTP) error occurred:No such group. Thanks for your help. Tim From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:36 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Bob Crawford Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Sidebar Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 20:28:36 -0600 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 13 Message-ID: <38CDA3D4.FE23E3F8@powerclam.com> References: <8aj4f3$1k41@secnews.netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cs9351-169.austin.rr.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Matthew Rogers wrote: > The sidebar sucks, how do I get rid of it? I can't find any options in > preferences and right clicking does nothing. I know I can resize it to move > to the side of the screen, but all I want is a straight forward browser > window. > > Matt In the main browser, select the View menu, and deslect "Sidebar" ;) From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:36 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!secnews.netscape.com!secnews2.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Kevin Hecht Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Posting to secure servers Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 21:36:22 -0500 Organization: Villanova University Lines: 23 Message-ID: <38CDA5A6.E24BCDFA@idt.net> References: <1068B5A76F40AE50.35CBD6FC8C9A3A77.1DB4A6C437C535D3@lp.airnews.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip51.philadelphia12.pa.pub-ip.psi.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-MCD VU_ANS-OSP (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en-US,en Tim Whaling wrote: > > Could someone explain to me how to post to the secure server for > netscape using M14. The server I have set up is secnews.netscape.com > with the SSL option checked. The news group is netscape.communicator. > This is the same set up I run in Communicator 4.72. When I try to read > the newsgroup it gives me the error message: > > A News (NNTP) error occurred:No such group. > > Thanks for your help. > > Tim Have you installed PSM? (http://docs.iplanet.com/docs/manuals/psm/psm-mozilla/index.html) It does work, at least with yesterday's build. -- Kevin Hecht, Netscape Champion College of Commerce and Finance, Villanova University khecht19@idt.net Kevin.Hecht@villanova.edu http://idt.net/~khecht19/ From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:36 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Bob Crawford Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Disable Sidebar UI Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 21:08:27 -0600 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 22 Message-ID: <38CDAD2B.6523E2AA@powerclam.com> References: <8aj4f3$1k41@secnews.netscape.com> <38CD2666.9548C9E8@pssnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cs9351-169.austin.rr.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Marshall wrote: > > The sidebar sucks, how do I get rid of it? I can't find any options in > > preferences and right clicking does nothing. I know I can resize it to move > > to the side of the screen, but all I want is a straight forward browser > > window. > > I think this might be a good example of how to make the UI better. This > user was unable to find the view->sidebar option, maybe it should also > be available in the right click menu. I know on the start bar in > windows (With IE4+ installed) if you right click it allows you to > disable/enable different toolbars similar to what this user was trying. > > Maybe we should add a similar option. Might it not be better to add an to the right of "customize"? No use eating up the right-click menu's space. But, if someone is looking to add right-click options, consider "send page," as soon as Mail is up to it... From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:36 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Jerry Baker Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Posting to secure servers Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 19:15:29 -0800 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 17 Message-ID: <38CDAED1.AD860289@weirdness.com> References: <1068B5A76F40AE50.35CBD6FC8C9A3A77.1DB4A6C437C535D3@lp.airnews.net> <38CDA5A6.E24BCDFA@idt.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lsanca1-ar3-147-141.dsl.gtei.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.71 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Kevin Hecht wrote: > > > It does work, at least with yesterday's build. > -- > Kevin Hecht, Netscape Champion > College of Commerce and Finance, Villanova University > khecht19@idt.net Kevin.Hecht@villanova.edu > http://idt.net/~khecht19/ Works with source I pulled from CVS at about 5:00pm today and built. -- Jerry Baker PGP Mail Preferred Key: http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x09DE91C6 From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:36 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!unlisys!news.snafu.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.icl.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!news-out.nntp.airnews.net.MISMATCH!cabal10.airnews.net!news.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: Tim Whaling Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Posting to secure servers Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 22:36:10 -0600 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 61 Message-ID: <8E4F122A96CB35C2.05BC677D00703BFD.F733D7464BBFB3BC@lp.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <38CDC1BA.9070605@airmail.net> References: <1068B5A76F40AE50.35CBD6FC8C9A3A77.1DB4A6C437C535D3@lp.airnews.net> <38CDA5A6.E24BCDFA@idt.net> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library2.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Mon Mar 13 22:37:22 2000 NNTP-Posting-Host: !dPe31k-X1\RA*` (Encoded at Airnews!) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Netscape 5.0 X-Accept-Language: en Kevin Hecht wrote: > Tim Whaling wrote: > > > > Could someone explain to me how to post to the secure server for > > netscape using M14. The server I have set up is secnews.netscape.com > > with the SSL option checked. The news group is netscape.communicator. > > This is the same set up I run in Communicator 4.72. When I try to read > > the newsgroup it gives me the error message: > > > > A News (NNTP) error occurred:No such group. > > > > Thanks for your help. > > > > Tim > > Have you installed PSM? > (http://docs.iplanet.com/docs/manuals/psm/psm-mozilla/index.html) > > It does work, at least with yesterday's build. > -- > Kevin Hecht, Netscape Champion > College of Commerce and Finance, Villanova University > khecht19@idt.net Kevin.Hecht@villanova.edu > http://idt.net/~khecht19/ Thanks for the link. Still no go. I first deleted all the prior M14 milestone files I had. I then downloaded the program http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/releases/m14/mozilla-win32-M14-Crypto-talkback.zip and unzipped it. I ran mozilla.exe. On the bottom right hand corner it says build ID 2000030317 and there is an open lock symbol which wasn't there before. I went back to the site and clicked on the bar at the bottom of the page that says "Install Netscape PSM for Windows". A download window opened and after awhile I got a message saying it installed. I do not remember the exact message. XPinstall successful or something like that. I exited Mozilla and rebooted the system. No luck here so I guess it doesn't work for me. Oh well. Netscape still works. :) From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:36 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Balram Ramanathan Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.mozilla.ui Subject: Re: Disable Sidebar UI Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 10:46:02 +0530 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 32 Message-ID: <38CDCB12.11558764@yahoo.com> References: <8aj4f3$1k41@secnews.netscape.com> <38CD2666.9548C9E8@pssnet.com> Reply-To: balram@altavista.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.197.192.94 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.general:17171 netscape.public.mozilla.ui:6891 If there is a way to hide the sidebar by clicking an 'X' there should also be a way of showing it again without wading through the menus. Here's a suggestion: A small knob or arrow on the extreme bottom left of the toolbar (near the 'back' button). When you click on the arrow, the sidebar slides out, and the arrow is transported in a modified form (looking as if it's saying "click to hide") to the sidebar's top-right corner. Clicking it makes the sidebar slide back and the arrow goes back to it's earlier form. The View menu option should remain, though. Animating the sidebar's sliding out will be nice, but might be a little tough implementing in XUL/CSS/Js (it'll probably hog system resources). (cross posted to N.P.M.ui) :Balram Marshall wrote: > > > The sidebar sucks, how do I get rid of it? I can't find any options in > > preferences and right clicking does nothing. I know I can resize it to move > > to the side of the screen, but all I want is a straight forward browser > > window. > > I think this might be a good example of how to make the UI better. This > user was unable to find the view->sidebar option, maybe it should also > be available in the right click menu. I know on the start bar in > windows (With IE4+ installed) if you right click it allows you to > disable/enable different toolbars similar to what this user was trying. > > Maybe we should add a similar option. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:36 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: "Jamie Frater" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Mozilla + stalinism + maoism Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 20:40:16 +1300 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 20 Message-ID: <8akq9n$6a51@secnews.netscape.com> Reply-To: "Jamie Frater" NNTP-Posting-Host: 203-96-130-71.dialup.globe.net.nz X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Hi all, I was just reading the flyer for the mozilla party and suddenly realised that every part of the mozilla party flyer is identical to communist paraphenalia. The things I noticed are: 1: Big red star 2: people wearing what looks like wokers cloth caps and hard hats 3: arms raised in victory 4: smoke (near the top) from factories maybe? Is this accidental or is it intended as a stylistic approach to the mozilla graphics? Also, the main page mozilla logo has factories in it, which seems to tie in :) Jamie. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:36 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Sebastian Spaeth Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Posting to secure servers Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 09:50:26 +0100 Organization: University of =?iso-8859-1?Q?Link=F6ping?= Lines: 10 Message-ID: <38CDFD52.2A9F3495@SSpaeth.de> References: <1068B5A76F40AE50.35CBD6FC8C9A3A77.1DB4A6C437C535D3@lp.airnews.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: f29.ryd.student.liu.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [de] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: sv,de,en > Could someone explain to me how to post to the secure server for > netscape using M14. The server I have set up is secnews.netscape.com > with the SSL option checked. The news group is netscape.communicator. > This is the same set up I run in Communicator 4.72. When I try to read > the newsgroup it gives me the error message: Posting to secure servers has been implemented a couple of days ago. It won't work with M14 even if you install PSM. Sebastian From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:36 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Jerry Baker Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Mozilla + stalinism + maoism Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 01:01:39 -0800 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 30 Message-ID: <38CDFFF3.64C8AFCA@weirdness.com> References: <8akq9n$6a51@secnews.netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lsanca1-ar3-147-141.dsl.gtei.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.71 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Jamie Frater wrote: > > Hi all, I was just reading the flyer for the mozilla party and suddenly > realised that every part of the mozilla party flyer is identical to > communist paraphenalia. > > The things I noticed are: > > 1: Big red star > 2: people wearing what looks like wokers cloth caps and hard hats > 3: arms raised in victory > 4: smoke (near the top) from factories maybe? > > Is this accidental or is it intended as a stylistic approach to the mozilla > graphics? > > Also, the main page mozilla logo has factories in it, which seems to tie in > :) > > Jamie. Damn, people are starting to find out that Mozilla is really a project that was organized by Cuba and China to take over the United States. -- Jerry Baker PGP Mail Preferred Key: http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x09DE91C6 From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:36 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!nntp.giganews.com!cabal14.airnews.net!news.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: Tim Whaling Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Posting to secure servers Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 08:20:36 -0600 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 40 Message-ID: <615007C32A14F4E2.4ED67CD824A0B1A6.4FD7A08E10801C9D@lp.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <38CE4AB4.1080909@airmail.net> References: <1068B5A76F40AE50.35CBD6FC8C9A3A77.1DB4A6C437C535D3@lp.airnews.net> <38CDFD52.2A9F3495@SSpaeth.de> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library2.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Tue Mar 14 08:21:50 2000 NNTP-Posting-Host: !Y3 > Could someone explain to me how to post to the secure server for > > netscape using M14. The server I have set up is secnews.netscape.com > > with the SSL option checked. The news group is netscape.communicator. > > This is the same set up I run in Communicator 4.72. When I try to read > > the newsgroup it gives me the error message: > > Posting to secure servers has been implemented a couple of days ago. It > won't work with M14 even if you install PSM. > > Sebastian Thanks to all for your help. Tim From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:36 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Stephen Bowen Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Sidebar Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 16:42:35 +0100 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 31 Message-ID: <38CE5DEB.90429BD3@netscape.net> References: <8aj4f3$1k41@secnews.netscape.com> <38CDA3D4.FE23E3F8@powerclam.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: N584P018.dipool.highway.telekom.at Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Hi All Not wanting to double post but in the seamonkey news group, this server, got told to go to AOL, but would like to know if anyone here can answer the question below. Does anyone know when or if the Netcenter Apps will be added back into the customize menu in My Sidebar? In the official M 13 alpha (Build 2000012520) release it was there and seemed to work correctly, in M 14(build 2000022808) it was also there but by clicking on Check Mail got you only to the My Netcenter start page and not to the login for post. Bug #29817 and #28069 Using build 2000031008 at the moment and no sign of Netcenter Apps. steve Bob Crawford wrote: > Matthew Rogers wrote: > > > The sidebar sucks, how do I get rid of it? I can't find any options in > > preferences and right clicking does nothing. I know I can resize it to move > > to the side of the screen, but all I want is a straight forward browser > > window. > > > > Matt > > In the main browser, select the View menu, and deslect "Sidebar" ;) From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:36 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!pixie.netscape.com!eli From: Eli Goldberg Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: www.cnn.com/videoselect and M14? Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 08:23:24 -0800 Organization: Netscape Communications Corp. Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <38CC3DE3.1000204@earthlink.net> <38CCCD43.FC005067@io.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.12.39.187 Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.0 (PPC) In article <38CCCD43.FC005067@io.com>, Bob Crawford wrote: > Yeah, CNN's browser detection code is busted... their "mycnn.com" > site > lets you get quite a ways in before it suddenly decides to tell you your > browser is unrecognized. > CNN would make a good candidate for a hi-visibility "update your > site's > code" campaign [Above message forwarded to colleague at CNN Interactive.] -- --- elig disclaimer: all opinions in this message are my own, and not those of netscape communications corporation. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:36 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: "Scott A. Colcord" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Mozilla doesn't render tables Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 12:11:39 -0500 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 62 Message-ID: <8alrrj$b513@secnews.netscape.com> References: <8alr68$b461@secnews.netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: wallmsi.mediastation.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 This bug might have something to do with it: http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1044 "Matthew Rogers" wrote in message news:8alr68$b461@secnews.netscape.com... > I'm working on a web page design and in order to keep it static, I'm using a > table with table-layout: fixed. > > So I designed the table and the images to make everything look smooth. In > IE and Netscape, the table looks fine, but in Mozilla, some things like > valign=bottom don't work and it's giving some cells my background > color. Here's my table code: > > width=700 bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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> > :( > > Matt > > From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:36 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!howland.erols.net!isdnet!news-ge.switch.ch!news1.sunrise.ch!not-for-mail From: "Luigino Cavallaro" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: error with java40.jar and ifc11.jar Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 18:39:53 +0100 Organization: sunrise communications ag Lines: 14 Message-ID: <8alt5p$9mu$1@news1.sunrise.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: pop-ls-07-1-dialup-246.freesurf.ch X-Trace: news1.sunrise.ch 953055225 9950 194.230.232.246 (14 Mar 2000 17:33:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sunrise.ch NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Mar 2000 17:33:45 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 hello! i have the following problem: i'm working with communicator 4.6. since a few days every time when i want to access a site with a java-applet I get this errormsg: 'issuer certificate is invalid (-8156): java40.jar' and the same msg with ifc11.jar. anybody an idea? Luigino From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:36 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Jerry Baker Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: error with java40.jar and ifc11.jar Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 09:57:05 -0800 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 23 Message-ID: <38CE7D71.E8250EAA@weirdness.com> References: <8alt5p$9mu$1@news1.sunrise.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: lsanca1-ar3-147-141.dsl.gtei.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.71 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Luigino Cavallaro wrote: > > hello! > > i have the following problem: > > i'm working with communicator 4.6. since a few days every time when i want > to access a site with a java-applet I get this errormsg: 'issuer certificate > is invalid (-8156): java40.jar' and the same msg with ifc11.jar. > > anybody an idea? > > Luigino This group is for the discussion of Mozilla (and Netscape 6.0). Questions concerning Netscape Communicator should be directed to snews://secnews.netscape.com/netscape.communicator. -- Jerry Baker PGP Mail Preferred Key: http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x09DE91C6 From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:36 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Daniel Veditz Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Mozilla + stalinism + maoism Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 11:22:00 -0800 Organization: Speaking only for myself Lines: 28 Message-ID: <38CE9157.651D941C@netscape.com> References: <8akq9n$6a51@secnews.netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-208-12-39-196.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en It is apparently hip. I'm too old to get it. Why anyone would want to appropriate the symbols of a /failed/ revolution is beyond me. Although if Mozilla lasts 70 years like the USSR that'd be a pretty good run for a piece of software. -Dan Veditz Jamie Frater wrote: > > Hi all, I was just reading the flyer for the mozilla party and suddenly > realised that every part of the mozilla party flyer is identical to > communist paraphenalia. > > The things I noticed are: > > 1: Big red star > 2: people wearing what looks like wokers cloth caps and hard hats > 3: arms raised in victory > 4: smoke (near the top) from factories maybe? > > Is this accidental or is it intended as a stylistic approach to the mozilla > graphics? > > Also, the main page mozilla logo has factories in it, which seems to tie in > :) > > Jamie. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:36 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Irve Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Mozilla + stalinism + maoism Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 21:45:37 +0200 Organization: Letargia ja sisalik Lines: 32 Message-ID: <38CE96E1.B57819EB@metal.ee> References: <8akq9n$6a51@secnews.netscape.com> <38CE9157.651D941C@netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp1088.estpak.ee Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: et,en Daniel Veditz wrote: > Why anyone would want to appropriate the symbols of a /failed/ revolution > is beyond me. Although if Mozilla lasts 70 years like the USSR that'd be a > pretty good run for a piece of software. take it like this: the whole idea of _communism_ is not bad at all. but people have been unable to imlpement it correcly i.e. they put the society first and humans next. mozilla is purely voluntary effort and I must admit that open source has a lot in commmon with the _idea_ of USSR. Russia really made a really perverse society out of it though. but Mozilla looks fine to me so far :) The programmers of the world, unite! > Jamie Frater wrote: > > 1: Big red star > > 2: people wearing what looks like wokers cloth caps and hard hats > > 3: arms raised in victory > > 4: smoke (near the top) from factories maybe? > > Is this accidental or is it intended as a stylistic approach to the mozilla > > graphics? > > > > Also, the main page mozilla logo has factories in it, which seems to tie in > > :) -- Irve | http://www.hot.ee/irve Mostly harmless From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:36 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: "Matthew Rogers" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Mozilla doesn't render tables Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 11:57:46 -0800 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 50 Message-ID: <8alr68$b461@secnews.netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.189.157.253 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I'm working on a web page design and in order to keep it static, I'm using a table with table-layout: fixed. So I designed the table and the images to make everything look smooth. In IE and Netscape, the table looks fine, but in Mozilla, some things like valign=bottom don't work and it's giving some cells my background color. Here's my table code:
      
  
 
  
    
 
    
  
   
   
 
:( Matt From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:36 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Jerry Baker Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Mozilla + stalinism + maoism Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 12:02:10 -0800 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 22 Message-ID: <38CE9AC2.5182B30F@weirdness.com> References: <8akq9n$6a51@secnews.netscape.com> <38CE9157.651D941C@netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lsanca1-ar3-147-141.dsl.gtei.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.71 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Daniel Veditz wrote: > > It is apparently hip. I'm too old to get it. > > Why anyone would want to appropriate the symbols of a /failed/ revolution > is beyond me. Although if Mozilla lasts 70 years like the USSR that'd be a > pretty good run for a piece of software. > > -Dan Veditz Enough people have mentioned the similarity that I am going to have to make the throbber in my skin a rotating hammer and sickle. I saw it once, and I think it would be good for a laugh. As a side note (and way off topic): The revolution failed, but so did Betamax, Tuckers and DAT. -- Jerry Baker PGP Mail Preferred Key: http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x09DE91C6 From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:36 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!unlisys!news.snafu.de!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!news.randori.com!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!hub12.nn.bcandid.com!tw12.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38CEB5EE.47225CE1@coax.net> From: David King X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.netscape,netscape.public.general,netscape.public.mozilla.wishlist,netscape.public.mozilla.performance,netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.mozilla.crash-data Subject: new delays in netscape Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 36 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.244.169.246 X-Trace: tw12.nn.bcandid.com 953071092 206.244.169.246 (Tue, 14 Mar 2000 14:58:12 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 14:58:12 MST Organization: bCandid - Powering the world's discussions - http://bCandid.com Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 21:58:12 GMT Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.general:22255 netscape.public.mozilla.wishlist:9389 netscape.public.mozilla.performance:1406 netscape.public.mozilla.general:17190 netscape.public.mozilla.crash-data:275 I could really use help with this. My Netscape Communicator (4.51) (Incl. browser, news and mail) has developed some extremely irritating delays just recently. Every minute or so, whenever Netscape is on (whether I am actively using it or not) it freezes for 7 seconds or so while it beats my disk to death. These "computer belches" have only recently come up, after months of use, and nothing significant that I know of in the way of new hardware or software. Just in the course of finding these newsgroups and posting this note it has happened 4 or 5 times. No user interface elements of netscape respond at all during this time, and the wasted time is really beginning to add up. I presume this may have to do with free disk (151mb--considering it's win95 that's probably not enough!) or main memory (32mb)--but why has this just started recently? I'd sure like to know exactly what it is before I invest in new hardware resources. Of course I'd really prefer someone to point me to a magic preferences tweak that would put it back to rights without more expense. I believe I have enough cache enabled (1mb main memory, 15mb disk). What else? Perhaps this has to do with another problem I've posted about before, without response: When I upgraded from 3.x to 4.51, I put the new installation elsewhere, but some essential data files (bookmarks, mail, etc.?) were left in the old 3.1 location (Netscape: this was a _BAD idea_). Now I cant get rid of the old netscape installation because I don't know exactly what files are still in use--I want everything in use to be in the new installation directory, and to get rid of 3.x (...wait for computer to burp again....) completely. What do I have to move? Any help appreciated. Email replies greatly preferred. Thanks. David King dking@coax.net (Spammers need not apply) From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:36 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!brick.direct.ca!brie.direct.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Devin Currie Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Attaching ASCII files to an email message (Netscape 4.61) Message-ID: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 17:19:28 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.66.140.11 X-Complaints-To: abuse@direct.ca X-Trace: brie.direct.ca 953083189 216.66.140.11 (Tue, 14 Mar 2000 17:19:49 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 17:19:49 PST Organization: Internet Direct - http://www.mydirect.com Hello, Using Netscape 4.61, how do I send/receive ASCII file attachments without displaying its content in the email message? IOW, I would like to see an email message with ASCII attachments (not the content of the files) that allows me to click on it as either "Save to disk" or "Open file". Thanks, Devin From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:36 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: "Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T." Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Attaching ASCII files to an email message (Netscape 4.61) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 20:28:09 -0500 Organization: VPEA Lines: 24 Message-ID: <38CEE721.8FE8B6D8@kimbanet.com> References: Reply-To: pjones@kimbanet.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.34.233.227 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Wrong Newsgroup - but; Go to View attachments inline and uncheck. Devin Currie wrote: > > Hello, > > Using Netscape 4.61, how do I send/receive ASCII file attachments > without displaying its content in the email message? IOW, I would like > to see an email message with ASCII attachments (not the content of the > files) that allows me to click on it as either "Save to disk" or "Open > file". > > Thanks, > > Devin -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Phillip M. Jones, CET |MEMBER:VPEA (LIFE) ETA-I, NESDA,ISCET, Sterling 616 Liberty Street |Who's Who. PHONE:540-632-5045, FAX:540-632-0868 Martinsville Va 24112-1809|pjones@kimbanet.com, ICQ11269732, AIM pjonescet -------------------------------------------------------------------------- If it's "fixed", don't "break it"! From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:36 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: "Wesley Felter" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: copyright basics Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 20:31:32 -0600 Organization: Hack the Planet Secret Labs Lines: 17 Message-ID: <8amsfn$efb1@secnews.netscape.com> References: <952977850.116.0.nnrp-08.9e9837d2@news.demon.co.uk> <38CD591A.25CC6B45@lemnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cs2724-177.austin.rr.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Lemming wrote in message news:38CD591A.25CC6B45@lemnet.com... > rvj wrote: > > > 1. I think I understand the aims of open source but does this mean that say > > any UIs designed using XUL would not subject to copyright. > > I think all XUL (and any code coming from Mozilla) is automatically under the NPL, you should probably check that for full details. No. XUL files are under whatever license the author decides to put them under. Wesley Felter - wesf@cs.utexas.edu From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:36 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Brian King Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.xpinstall,netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.mozilla.layout Subject: Re: nsApprunner Start-up query... Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 20:15:34 -0800 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 38 Message-ID: <38CF0E66.334BFAB5@clubi.ie> References: <38C33EAB.B7A0F0B7@clubi.ie> <38C5ECEF.F1AE4B8C@netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: whiskey.medianet.ie Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: Seth Spitzer Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.xpinstall:55 netscape.public.mozilla.general:17189 netscape.public.mozilla.layout:6992 Seth Spitzer wrote: > Brian King wrote: > > Is it possible to add your own component, using a different comand line > > switch (e.g. '-myapp') and pass chrome URL to start up with? > > Yes. All you have to do is implement the nsICmdLineHandler interface and > register with the category manager. > > The good news, is this is easy to do from C++. > > The CMDLINEHANDLER_IMPL macro that I wrote makes implementing the > nsICmdLineHandler interface a one line job. > (see nsICmdLineHandler.idl) You basically pass it some arguments and it > does all the work. > .... This is all very straightforward and easy to follow, but presumes that you have your own component / class. All I would like to do is start up the editor component with a different chrome module, while leaving the editor start up alone. So would it be possible to have some sort of conditional in nsEditorService.cpp that checks the switch before it passes the arguments? Or would it just be easier to write my own class? > I've skipped over how "general.startup.*" prefs get registered, and how all > this relates to "-help", and why some command line arguments (the profile > ones, like -CreateProfile, -ProfileManager, etc) don't use this scheme > (yet). > > It is also possible to implement all this in JS. I plan on doing that for > -chat (to launch chatzilla). Or should I be doing it one of these ways? The JS sounds very interesting. -Brian From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:36 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Frank Hecker Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Mozilla + stalinism + maoism Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 00:43:57 -0500 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 77 Message-ID: <38CF231D.132179D4@collab.net> References: <8akq9n$6a51@secnews.netscape.com> <38CE9157.651D941C@netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cc817150-c.hwrd1.md.home.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12-20 i686) X-Accept-Language: en Daniel Veditz wrote: > Why anyone would want to appropriate the symbols of a /failed/ revolution > is beyond me. Well, it was a failed (and ultimately murderous) revolution, but it did inspire some great art, and Soviet artists in the 1920s had a lot of influence over graphic design in the 20th century. 1920s political posters in the constructivist style were background and inspiration for the mozilla.org graphics, and I think they've worked really well as a key element in an overall Mozilla "branding strategy". (Lord knows JWZ would hate to hear me call it that :-). This was mentioned a while back on n.p.m.ui, but I thought people might be interested who missed it: The original mozilla.org graphics were done by Shepard Fairey; you can see some of his other work at the URLs below: http://www.obeygiant.com/posters/ http://www.blkmrkt.com/gallery/ http://www.seattleweekly.com/features/9933/features-parrish.shtml http://www.citysearch.signonsandiego.com/E/E/SANCA/0000/50/55/cs1.html (If we ever get tired of using Mozilla, perhaps we could have "Ming the Merciless" be our new mascot. He might be especially useful during those final days spent getting the tree ready for a milestone...) For anyone who's interested in the original artistic influences behind Fairey's mozilla.org designs, here are some sample Russian posters from the 1920s, both nonpolitical and political: http://www.moma.org/exhibitions/stenbergbrothers/stenbergbrosworks.html http://www.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/lirsk/bildseit/rodche.htm http://www.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/lirsk/bildseit/unbeka4.htm http://www.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/lirsk/bildseit/kulagin.htm http://www.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/lirsk/bildseit/stenbg2.htm http://www.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/lirsk/bildseit/lavin.htm Whatever you might think of it in terms of ideology, certainly as art it's much better than the Soviet realism crap that got produced later: http://www.stanford.edu/~gfreidin/courses/147/propart/propart.htm (Which reminds me, if you want to complain about communist imagery please go complain about the stuff at the Hungry Programmer's site: http://www.hungry.org/ There's nothing worse than the kitsch that passed for art in the People's Republic of China.) Also, if you object to Soviet or Chinese posters on political grounds, here are some examples of "capitalist propaganda" posters being produced in the U.S. during the same (1920s) timeframe: http://www.hellerposters.com/1923.htm (and other years). IMO these are decidedly artistically inferior to the better Soviet 1920s posters. However despite their lesser artistic quality, we could certainly consider using these posters as the basis for a mozilla.org "rebranding", as many of the messages of these posters are relevant to the Mozilla project: "There's Only One Way to Become Manager" (1923), "Don't Waste My Time (Idle Talk Earns Nothing)" (1924), "Jumpy? (Size It Up -- and Keep Cool)" (1929), "Do You Explode? (Handle Your Temper with Care)" (1929), and my very personal favorite, "Nobody Fixed It (Let's Plug the Leaks!)": http://www.hellerposters.com/1926.htm And now that I'm finally back on topic, I think it's time to call a halt to today's "art moment". Till later! Frank -- Frank Hecker work: http://www.collab.net/ frank@collab.net home: http://www.hecker.org/ From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:37 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Kerry Ginn Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Mozilla + stalinism + maoism Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 23:51:52 -0600 Organization: <> Lines: 31 Message-ID: <38CF24E8.699974@computer.org> References: <8akq9n$6a51@secnews.netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.96.175.83 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en-US Jamie Frater wrote: > > Hi all, I was just reading the flyer for the mozilla party and suddenly > realised that every part of the mozilla party flyer is identical to > communist paraphenalia. > > The things I noticed are: > > 1: Big red star > 2: people wearing what looks like wokers cloth caps and hard hats > 3: arms raised in victory > 4: smoke (near the top) from factories maybe? > > Is this accidental or is it intended as a stylistic approach to the mozilla > graphics? > > Also, the main page mozilla logo has factories in it, which seems to tie in > :) The flyer is recycled from last year (when mozilla.org experienced an abrupt leadership change). Its style suggests a cross between a video tape box for Jurassic Park and a Chineese version of Socialist Realism poster art. Since the Red Guard would very likely have banished the party's band (and probably many of the party goers) to a "re-education camp", people would normally not take such tie-ins with the flyer art seriously at all. This thread has the appearance of being recycled, too. I will point out as I did last year that the "Lone Star" is also the symbol of the State of Texas and of a beer brewed therein. .... And Texans often raise their arms in victory, for better or worse. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:37 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!unlisys!news.snafu.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!xs4all!not-for-mail From: Marcel van Beurden Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: How to install a nightly over after using the installer ? Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:20:38 +0100 Organization: XS4ALL Internet BV Lines: 9 Message-ID: <38CF47D6.CCECA97@telebyte.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: dc2-isdn2500.dial.xs4all.nl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news1.xs4all.nl 953108355 16641 194.109.157.196 (15 Mar 2000 08:19:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Mar 2000 08:19:15 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Hiya, I downloaded M14 with installer (WinNT). Now how do I install a newer nightly build over my current Mozilla installation with the minimum amout of hassle ? Just unzip nightly in the Mozilla directory ? Thanks in advance, Marcel From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:37 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!unlisys!news.snafu.de!diablo.theplanet.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!howland.erols.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.sshe1.sk.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38CF5597.67082BCF@hissandpop.com> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=A7uper=A7tar=40H=A4llyw=A4=A4d?= Organization: (8^)=?iso-8859-1?Q?=AB=BB=BB=BB=7C=7C=2D=2D=2D=2D=2DB?= X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.netscape,netscape.public.general,netscape.public.mozilla.wishlist,netscape.public.mozilla.performance,netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.mozilla.crash-data Subject: Re: new delays in netscape References: <38CEB5EE.47225CE1@coax.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:18:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.68.177.26 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.sshe1.sk.home.com 953111892 24.68.177.26 (Wed, 15 Mar 2000 01:18:12 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 01:18:12 PST Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.general:22276 netscape.public.mozilla.wishlist:9401 netscape.public.mozilla.performance:1408 netscape.public.mozilla.general:17198 netscape.public.mozilla.crash-data:277 Just a thought. Pay attention to the site's your visiting. Sometimes a careless Java programmer will make a file that is hard to shake. Try avoiding any regular site you visit that has java on it for awhile, if the HD grinding stops, you've found the culprit. -- http://www.hissandpop.com/ I work hard on my site! SO VISIT IT, ALREADY! From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:37 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Bob Crawford Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: How to install a nightly over after using the installer ? Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:03:16 -0600 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 22 Message-ID: <38CFA634.95C96654@powerclam.com> References: <38CF47D6.CCECA97@telebyte.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: cs9351-169.austin.rr.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Marcel van Beurden wrote: > Hiya, > > I downloaded M14 with installer (WinNT). Now how do I install a newer > nightly build over my current Mozilla installation with the minimum > amout of hassle ? Just unzip nightly in the Mozilla directory ? Into the Mozilla/bin directory... > Thanks in advance, > Marcel FWIW, I install the most recent talk-back version, then drop the nightlies on top of that. Can anyone tell me if this is a safe practice Is the crash-data sent back to the coders good, or does the data get mungled by putting a nightly atop it? When (rarely, these days) I have a crash, talkback sends something back... I would hate to be sending polluted info back, and have gotten no complaints... From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:37 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Bob Crawford Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: New newsgroup proposal n.p.m.skins Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:22:40 -0600 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 51 Message-ID: <38CFAAC0.AC0DF53F@w3cdom.com> References: <38C8EDE2.6F349A5C@email.com> <38C98100.DDB522FE@home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cs9351-169.austin.rr.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------B1EA3C2FEACDDF3120556A4C" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf --------------B1EA3C2FEACDDF3120556A4C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sam Grossberg wrote: > I think that would be a great idea. I am NOT interested in skins (at > the moment), but I am interested in some of the more functional parts of > the UI. It would be nice to channel the two completely different ideas > into two separate newsgroups. And I'm (along with Tom, Dick, and Larry, thiguberrymucth! ) interested in learning how to do chrome for Mozilla, and and find the .ui and .xpfe groups aren't quite that. Chrome is a big topic ubnto itself. I think a chrome-oriented group would be great. I think it should be under the netscape.public.mozilla.* tree. netscape.public.mozilla.chrome or netscape.public.mozilla.lizardskin :^) --------------B1EA3C2FEACDDF3120556A4C Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sam Grossberg wrote:
I think that would be a great idea.  I am NOT interested in skins (at
the moment), but I am interested in some of the more functional parts of
the UI.  It would be nice to channel the two completely different ideas
into two separate newsgroups.
    And I'm (along with Tom, Dick, and Larry, thiguberrymucth! ) interested in learning how to do chrome for Mozilla, and and find the .ui and .xpfe groups aren't quite that. Chrome is a big topic ubnto itself. I think a chrome-oriented group would be great.

I think it should be under the netscape.public.mozilla.* tree.
netscape.public.mozilla.chrome
or
netscape.public.mozilla.lizardskin
:^)
 
  --------------B1EA3C2FEACDDF3120556A4C-- From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:37 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!unlisys!news.snafu.de!diablo.theplanet.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.skycache.com!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!hub12.nn.bcandid.com!tw12.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38CFB120.23F8A176@coax.net> From: David King X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.netscape,netscape.public.general,netscape.public.mozilla.wishlist,netscape.public.mozilla.performance,netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: new delays in netscape References: <38CEB5EE.47225CE1@coax.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 54 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.244.169.223 X-Trace: tw12.nn.bcandid.com 953135417 206.244.169.223 (Wed, 15 Mar 2000 08:50:17 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 08:50:17 MST Organization: bCandid - Powering the world's discussions - http://bCandid.com Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 15:50:17 GMT Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.general:22292 netscape.public.mozilla.wishlist:9403 netscape.public.mozilla.performance:1409 netscape.public.mozilla.general:17201 Phil Sweeney and also "KM :^\)" suggested: > maybe just try deleting your history file. (netscape.hst) Simply _clearing_ the visited links history (from within the preferences menu) seemed to clear the problem--thanks for the suggestion Phil, KM. I _did_ have history expiration set to an extra-special long time (999 days), which is how I wanted it, but apparently that can create problems (are you listening, Netscape folks?) The netscape.hst file was (and still is) exactly 10,000kb long, but apparently simply clearing it prevented some periodic maintenance chore from becoming lengthy. David King wrote: > > I could really use help with this. > > My Netscape Communicator (4.51) (Incl. browser, news and mail) has > developed some extremely irritating delays just recently. Every minute > or so, whenever Netscape is on (whether I am actively using it or not) > it freezes for 7 seconds or so while it beats my disk to death. These > "computer belches" have only recently come up, after months of use, and > nothing significant that I know of in the way of new hardware or > software. > > Just in the course of finding these newsgroups and posting this note it > has happened 4 or 5 times. No user interface elements of netscape > respond at all during this time, and the wasted time is really beginning > to add up. > > I presume this may have to do with free disk (151mb--considering it's > win95 that's probably not enough!) or main memory (32mb)--but why has > this just started recently? I'd sure like to know exactly what it is > before I invest in new hardware resources. Of course I'd really prefer > someone to point me to a magic preferences tweak that would put it back > to rights without more expense. I believe I have enough cache enabled > (1mb main memory, 15mb disk). What else? > > Perhaps this has to do with another problem I've posted about before, > without response: When I upgraded from 3.x to 4.51, I put the new > installation elsewhere, but some essential data files (bookmarks, mail, > etc.?) were left in the old 3.1 location (Netscape: this was a _BAD > idea_). Now I cant get rid of the old netscape installation because I > don't know exactly what files are still in use--I want everything in use > to be in the new installation directory, and to get rid of 3.x (...wait > for computer to burp again....) completely. What do I have to move? > > Any help appreciated. Email replies greatly preferred. Thanks. > > David King > dking@coax.net (Spammers need not apply) From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:37 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: "R. Saravanan" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.unix,netscape.public.mozilla.xpfe,netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Try out XMLterm, an xterm emulator/enhancer Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 10:01:35 -0700 Organization: http://xmlterm.org Lines: 19 Message-ID: <38CFC1EF.EAF247E9@worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 27.denver-05-10rs.co.dial-access.att.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i586) X-Accept-Language: en CC: leaf@mozilla.org, shaver@mozilla.org Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.unix:3958 netscape.public.mozilla.xpfe:6078 netscape.public.mozilla.general:17202 As Mozilla approaches beta, XMLterm finally approaches alpha. Check out the new screenshots at http://xmlterm.org. On Linux/Solaris, XMLterm can now be compiled simply by setting the configure option --with-extensions=xmlterm. XMLterm can also be used as a powerful Javascript console (see http://xmlterm.org/shots/js.html). If you are a Linux mozilla user who also uses xterms in some form, please try out the M14-compatible version of the XMLterm binaries, which may be downloaded from http://xmlterm.org/install.html. Remember this is pre-alpha software; so don't delete your xterm binaries just yet! There are still many bugs and unimplemented features, but any feedback on the "feel" of XMLterm will be appreciated. Saravanan -- http://xmlterm.org svn@xmlterm.org From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:37 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Jerome Kwok Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: document.write not working? Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 01:45:12 +0800 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 25 Message-ID: <38CFCC28.7B0C0E09@cs.cityu.edu.hk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp8-250.att.net.hk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-TW This kind of browser detection code seems not working in the latest build (031505). DOM problem? Any alternatives? (http://compuwise.home.dhs.org/) From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:37 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Stuart Ballard Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.unix,netscape.public.mozilla.xpfe,netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Try out XMLterm, an xterm emulator/enhancer Followup-To: netscape.public.mozilla.general Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:56:38 +0000 Organization: NetReach Lines: 71 Message-ID: <38CFCED6.CF6E87D5@netreach.net> References: <38CFC1EF.EAF247E9@worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: rainbow.netreach.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i586) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.unix:3959 netscape.public.mozilla.xpfe:6081 netscape.public.mozilla.general:17204 "R. Saravanan" wrote: > > As Mozilla approaches beta, XMLterm finally approaches alpha. > Check out the new screenshots at http://xmlterm.org. > On Linux/Solaris, XMLterm can now be compiled simply by setting > the configure option --with-extensions=xmlterm. > XMLterm can also be used as a powerful Javascript console (see > http://xmlterm.org/shots/js.html). I just downloaded the tarball and installed it in the /usr/lib/mozilla directory created by my Debian mozilla installation. I blew away ~/.mozilla/component.reg as requested (this is what corresponds to the package/component.reg file in a "standard" moz install) and ran mozilla -chrome chrome://xmlterm/default/xmlterm.xul (The "xmlterm" binary wouldn't work for various other reasons). I got the following messages on startup (the error is, of course, at the end...) I am running Debian Woody (up to date as of this morning) and my mozilla package is version M14-1 (Build ID: 2000030321). Is there any fix for this other than downloading a "stock" mozilla? (I like the debian packages because they take care of what should be in ~/.mozilla and what should be in /usr/lib/mozilla for me... but I'd really, really like to get xmlterm to work. It looks SO cool.) Thanks in advance for any help. Followups set to .general because that's where I read. Stuart. --- Messages from xmlterm startup begin here... --- Registering lineterm interface Registering xmlterm shell interface RegSelf Unicode to Big5 converter complete RegSelf Unicode to x-x-big5 converter complete RegSelf Big5 to Unicode converter complete *** Deferring registration of sample JS components -*- sidebar: registering (all right -- a JavaScript module!) registerSelf for remoteControl *** Registering sample JS components nNCL: registering deferred (0) nNCL: registering deferred (0) Profile Manager : Profile Wizard and Manager activites : Begin Profile Manager : Command Line Options : Begin Profile Manager : Command Line Options : End ProfileManager : GetProfileDir ProfileManager : GetProfileDir Profile Manager : Profile Wizard and Manager activites : End WEBSHELL+ = 1 WEBSHELL+ = 2 WEBSHELL+ = 3 StartupXMLTerm: StartupXMLTerm:1 StartupXMLTerm:content StartupXMLterm: WINDOW.ARGUMENTS=undefined Trying to make an XMLTerm Shell through the component manager... tlog_init: tlog_set_level:1, 0 tlog_set_level:1, 8 tlog_set_level: module 1, messageLevel=8 tlog_set_level:2, 8 tlog_set_level: module 2, messageLevel=8 Interface xmltshell1 = [xpconnect wrapped nsISupports] Interface xmltshell2 = [xpconnect wrapped mozIXMLTermShell] mozXMLTerminal::Init, check1 mozXMLTerminal::Init, check2, result=0, contViewer=837fcf0 /usr/lib/mozilla/mozilla-bin: error in loading shared libraries: /home/sballard/.mozilla/components/libxmlterm.so: undefined symbol: GetService__16nsServiceManagerRC4nsIDRC4nsIDPP11nsISupportsP19nsIShutdownListener From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:37 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: "R. Saravanan" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Try out XMLterm, an xterm emulator/enhancer Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 11:42:25 -0700 Organization: http://xmlterm.org Lines: 103 Message-ID: <38CFD990.C51C4AD7@worldnet.att.net> References: <38CFC1EF.EAF247E9@worldnet.att.net> <38CFCED6.CF6E87D5@netreach.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: nirvana.cgd.ucar.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------C1FDDC541B2879F8672DCB17" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en --------------C1FDDC541B2879F8672DCB17 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I presume you are using the nightly build dated 20000303, not the "stock" M14 release version from the "releases/m14" mozilla FTP directory. The error message suggests that the interface nsServiceManager has changed since the M14 branch was cut. Since mozilla is under active development, interfaces keep changing all the time and any older dynamically linked library will fail to link. In the future, the XMLterm extension may be enabled in the nightly builds, so this won't be a problem. At the moment, I don't see any option other than to use the "stock" M14 release build, or compile XMLterm yourself. If you have problems linking to the M14 release build, do let me know. Saravanan PS. When I run the command nm -D libxpcom.so | grep GetService in the mozilla/dist/bin/directory, one of the output lines is [1522] | 555860| 68|FUNC |GLOB |0 |116|GetService__16nsServiceManagerRC4nsIDRC4nsIDPP11nsISupportsP19nsIShutdownListener Apparently the symbol is present in my version of libxmlterm.so but not in yours. Stuart Ballard wrote: > > I got the following messages on startup (the error is, of course, at the > end...) > > I am running Debian Woody (up to date as of this morning) and my mozilla > package is version M14-1 (Build ID: 2000030321). > > Is there any fix for this other than downloading a "stock" mozilla? (I > like the debian packages because they take care of what should be in > ~/.mozilla and what should be in /usr/lib/mozilla for me... but I'd > really, really like to get xmlterm to work. It looks SO cool.) > > Thanks in advance for any help. Followups set to .general because that's > where I read. > > Stuart. > > /usr/lib/mozilla/mozilla-bin: error in loading shared libraries: > /home/sballard/.mozilla/components/libxmlterm.so: undefined symbol: > GetService__16nsServiceManagerRC4nsIDRC4nsIDPP11nsISupportsP19nsIShutdownListener -- http://xmlterm.org svn@xmlterm.org --------------C1FDDC541B2879F8672DCB17 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I presume you are using the nightly build dated  20000303, not the "stock" M14 release version from the "releases/m14" mozilla FTP directory. The error message suggests that the interface nsServiceManager has changed since the M14 branch was cut. Since mozilla is under active development, interfaces keep changing all the time and any older dynamically linked library will fail to link. In the future, the XMLterm extension may be enabled in the nightly builds, so this won't be a problem. At the moment, I don't see any option other than to use the "stock" M14 release build, or compile XMLterm yourself.

If you have problems linking to the M14 release build, do let me know.

Saravanan

PS. When I run the command
nm -D libxpcom.so | grep GetService
in the mozilla/dist/bin/directory, one of the output lines is
[1522]  |    555860|      68|FUNC |GLOB |0    |116|GetService__16nsServiceManagerRC4nsIDRC4nsIDPP11nsISupportsP19nsIShutdownListener

Apparently the symbol is present in my version of libxmlterm.so but not in yours.

Stuart Ballard wrote:

 
I got the following messages on startup (the error is, of course, at the
end...)

I am running Debian Woody (up to date as of this morning) and my mozilla
package is version M14-1 (Build ID: 2000030321).

Is there any fix for this other than downloading a "stock" mozilla? (I
like the debian packages because they take care of what should be in
~/.mozilla and what should be in /usr/lib/mozilla for me... but I'd
really, really like to get xmlterm to work. It looks SO cool.)

Thanks in advance for any help. Followups set to .general because that's
where I read.

Stuart.

/usr/lib/mozilla/mozilla-bin: error in loading shared libraries:
/home/sballard/.mozilla/components/libxmlterm.so: undefined symbol:
GetService__16nsServiceManagerRC4nsIDRC4nsIDPP11nsISupportsP19nsIShutdownListener

--
http://xmlterm.org            svn@xmlterm.org
  --------------C1FDDC541B2879F8672DCB17-- From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:37 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Harry Krause Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: ISO "cheat sheet" for skins & address book... Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:52:44 -0500 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 17 Message-ID: <38CFEA0C.8F26E520@capu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dsl-4-249.capu.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf I'd love to try some skins for mozilla. Where are they? How are they installed? Also, I cannot seem to import my address book from Netscape 4.72 into Mozilla, even though I am following the "import" screen in the program. Who has some cheat sheets? -- Harry Krause ------------ I brake for animals - and accelerate for small children. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:37 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Fred Roeber Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Mozilla + stalinism + maoism Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 11:54:06 -0800 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 63 Message-ID: <38CFEA5E.EF3E0323@netscape.com> References: <8akq9n$6a51@secnews.netscape.com> <38CF24E8.699974@computer.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-208-12-62-61.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms510221C882F15F6FB37F3B34" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.71 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12-20smp i686) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, es This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms510221C882F15F6FB37F3B34 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I will point out as I did last year that the "Lone Star" is > also the symbol of the State of Texas At CERN (near Geneva), I had a California flag up over my desk. People would see the red star, the bear, the words "California Republic" and think it was some communist or socialist thing. 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Burns" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Mozilla + stalinism + maoism Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:12:46 -0800 Organization: None Lines: 8 Message-ID: <38CFFCCE.CD2AD6CB@netscape.net> References: <8akq9n$6a51@secnews.netscape.com> <38CE9157.651D941C@netscape.com> <38CF231D.132179D4@collab.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-209-157-149-157.bluemartini.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Frank Hecker wrote: > [snip] > (If we ever get tired of using Mozilla, perhaps we could have "Ming the > Merciless" be our new mascot. He might be especially useful during those > final days spent getting the tree ready for a milestone...) > [snip] What's wrong with supporting characters? From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:37 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Jerry Baker Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: [OT] Mozilla + stalinism + maoism Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:23:12 -0800 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 19 Message-ID: <38CFFF40.6D691313@weirdness.com> References: <8akq9n$6a51@secnews.netscape.com> <38CF24E8.699974@computer.org> <38CFEA5E.EF3E0323@netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lsanca1-ar3-147-141.dsl.gtei.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.71 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Fred Roeber wrote: > > (I didn't tell them how right they were.) I always wonder how California gets labeled this way. This is the state that produced Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, has Orange County (the most conservative county in the nation), has had Republican governors for like 16 of the last 18 years, passes "No bilingual education" proposition, passes "No public benefits to illegal immigrants" proposition, the birthplace of the taxpayer revolt (stingy rich people), defeats almost every comprehensive environmental proposition ever put on the ballot, etc. etc. -- Jerry Baker PGP Mail Preferred Key: http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x09DE91C6 From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:37 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Daniel Veditz Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: New newsgroup proposal n.p.m.skins Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:35:45 -0800 Organization: Speaking only for myself Lines: 35 Message-ID: <38D00230.4DA52EC9@netscape.com> References: <38C8EDE2.6F349A5C@email.com> <38C98100.DDB522FE@home.com> <38CFAAC0.AC0DF53F@w3cdom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-208-12-39-196.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Bob Crawford wrote: > > Sam Grossberg wrote: > > > I think that would be a great idea. I am NOT interested in skins (at > > the moment), but I am interested in some of the more functional parts > > of > > the UI. It would be nice to channel the two completely different ideas > > > > into two separate newsgroups. > > And I'm (along with Tom, Dick, and Larry, thiguberrymucth! ) > interested in learning how to do chrome for Mozilla, and and find the .ui > and .xpfe groups aren't quite that. Chrome is a big topic ubnto itself. I > think a chrome-oriented group would be great. > > I think it should be under the netscape.public.mozilla.* tree. > netscape.public.mozilla.chrome > or > netscape.public.mozilla.lizardskin > :^) The thinking behind netscape.public.dev.skins (and n.p.dev.xul etc) is that you're not talking about developing mozilla itself, you're using mozilla features to develop something else. Why a netscape and not a mozilla group? Well, after the Netscape beta we expect there may be a ton of people interested in these topics and they would probably swamp the mozilla groups. Plus the content could get repetitive as beginners cycle through, become the experts, and eventually move onto other things while new beginners take their places. Good or bad those groups already exist. You may find them useful. -Dan Veditz From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:37 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Robert O'Callahan Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: [OT] Mozilla + stalinism + maoism Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:53:56 -0500 Organization: Carnegie Mellon University Lines: 20 Message-ID: <38D00674.3329684B@cs.cmu.edu> References: <8akq9n$6a51@secnews.netscape.com> <38CF24E8.699974@computer.org> <38CFEA5E.EF3E0323@netscape.com> <38CFFF40.6D691313@weirdness.com> Reply-To: roc+@cs.cmu.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: MAJESTY.FAC.CS.CMU.EDU Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en Jerry Baker wrote: > I always wonder how California gets labeled this way. This is the state > that produced Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, has Orange County (the most > conservative county in the nation), has had Republican governors for > like 16 of the last 18 years, passes "No bilingual education" > proposition, passes "No public benefits to illegal immigrants" > proposition, the birthplace of the taxpayer revolt (stingy rich > people), defeats almost every comprehensive environmental proposition > ever put on the ballot, etc. etc. It's a convenient fiction that helps the rich and comfortable to sleep a little better. But you already knew that. Rob -- [Robert O'Callahan http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~roc 6th year CMU CS PhD student "I have seen the burden God has laid on men. He has made everything beautiful in its time. He has also set eternity in the hearts of men; yet they cannot fathom what God has done from beginning to end." --- Ecclesiastes 3:10-11] From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:37 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Jim Clow Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: My first trials of M14 & M15 not good Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 19:04:23 -0800 Organization: Total Dis Lines: 37 Message-ID: <38D04F37.C5FCC7B6@cts.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: jimclow.cts.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: de-DE,en I installed M14/Fullsoft yesterday and found that it would not properly display a couple of sites of my own creation. I completely removed M14 and installed the build: ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/nightly/2000-03-15-09-M15/ W3C says my pages are error-free (4.0 Transitional/loose). They also display as intended in IE5.0 and all versions of NC I have tried (4.04, 4.61, 4.7, 4.72) The problems: 1. Alt text does not display on mouseover of images. It does display at the start of image loads (true for both 2. and 3. below) 2. This is a page which uses
with absolute positioning and Selection boxes: http://members.cts.com/crash/j/jimclow/Pnos1024.htm (Also Pnos1280.htm, Pnos800.htm and Pnos640.htm) These are the same except each is designed for a specific range of monitor resolutions.) (a) The text which identifies the Selection boxes is incorrectly aligned (one line too low). (b) The selection lists won't display nor will the action button (marked 'Show') work with the deault selection. 3. This is a frameset page: http://members.cts.com/crash/j/jimclow/Passport/index.html The page which is loaded when the image at the bottom of the left frame is clicked has three Area Maps. (a) The areas have ALT text which is not displayed on mouseover. (b) The links are not selected when attempting to TAB through them. Jim Clow, San Diego From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:37 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Bob Crawford Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: New newsgroup proposal n.p.m.skins Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 21:46:00 -0600 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 12 Message-ID: <38D058F8.B9909595@w3cdom.com> References: <38C8EDE2.6F349A5C@email.com> <38C98100.DDB522FE@home.com> <38CFAAC0.AC0DF53F@w3cdom.com> <38D00230.4DA52EC9@netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cs9351-169.austin.rr.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Daniel Veditz wrote: > netscape.public.dev.skins (and n.p.dev.xul etc) > is that you're not talking about developing mozilla itself, you're using > mozilla > features to develop something else. > Good or bad those groups already exist. You may find them useful. Didn't know they already existed. I do hereby shut up. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:37 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Bob Crawford Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: document.write not working? Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 21:49:05 -0600 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 9 Message-ID: <38D059B1.BC37B20A@w3cdom.com> References: <38CFCC28.7B0C0E09@cs.cityu.edu.hk> NNTP-Posting-Host: cs9351-169.austin.rr.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Jerome Kwok wrote: > This kind of browser detection code seems not working in the latest > build (031505). DOM problem? Any alternatives? http://www.w3cdom.com/detect.html From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:37 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Daniel Veditz Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: New newsgroup proposal n.p.m.skins Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 21:21:31 -0800 Organization: Speaking only for myself Lines: 14 Message-ID: <38D06F5B.B805775F@netscape.com> References: <38C8EDE2.6F349A5C@email.com> <38C98100.DDB522FE@home.com> <38CFAAC0.AC0DF53F@w3cdom.com> <38D00230.4DA52EC9@netscape.com> <38D058F8.B9909595@w3cdom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-205-217-240-75.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Bob Crawford wrote: > > Daniel Veditz wrote: > > > netscape.public.dev.skins (and n.p.dev.xul etc) > > Good or bad those groups already exist. You may find them useful. > > Didn't know they already existed. I do hereby shut up. Sorry if that sounded curt, wasn't intended that way. If you *don't* find them useful then by all means come back and re-suggest creating a new group :-) -Dan Veditz From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:37 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Jerome Kwok Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: document.write not working? Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 13:22:01 +0800 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 13 Message-ID: <38D06F79.895E85AF@hotmail.com> References: <38CFCC28.7B0C0E09@cs.cityu.edu.hk> <38D059B1.BC37B20A@w3cdom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: node70031.cathaypacific.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-TW Hmm... I mean... I want to use different CSS file for NS and IE. "document.write" seems not working with the latest nightly builds. It made the whole page corrupted. NS, IE and M13 works fine. Bob Crawford wrote: > > Jerome Kwok wrote: > > > This kind of browser detection code seems not working in the latest > > build (031505). DOM problem? Any alternatives? > > http://www.w3cdom.com/detect.html From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:37 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!unlisys!news.snafu.de!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!enews.sgi.com!news-zh.switch.ch!news.dplanet.ch!not-for-mail From: rbs Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: help:transfer of addresses Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 06:43:10 +0100 Organization: diAx dplanet (postings do not reflect the views of diAx) Lines: 11 Message-ID: <38D0746E.1813A3F2@dplanet.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-52-23.dplanet.ch Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: hs1b01h02-0.dplanet.ch 953184898 6922 212.35.52.23 (16 Mar 2000 05:34:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dplanet.ch NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Mar 2000 05:34:58 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD dplanet_1.1 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Hello! would anyone know how to transfer the contents of private address books from one user profile to another? (currently migrating from Compuserve which gave very poor service lately, to another provider. Thanks in advance. jlrb From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:37 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!enews.sgi.com!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.syd.connect.com.au!not-for-mail From: Peter Grullemans Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: DATE DISPLAY Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 16:55:41 +1100 Organization: Customer of Connect.com.au Pty. Ltd. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <38D0775D.41CA8303@sia.net.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.63.47.216 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: merki.connect.com.au 953186253 29121 203.63.47.216 (16 Mar 2000 05:57:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@connect.com.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Mar 2000 05:57:33 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Dates in my Nestcape 4.6 or 4.7 message headers very often display as e.g. "4.15 pm Thursday" I need them to say e.g. "16/03/2000" or similar I've tried the edit preferences, view header, view message, date in desktop, regional settings. My ISP (sia.net.au) cant tell me. DOES ANYONE HAVE KNOWLEDGE OR EXPERIENCE PLEASE. Peter G. Sydney Australia From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:37 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Daniel Veditz Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: My first trials of M14 & M15 not good Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 22:00:38 -0800 Organization: Speaking only for myself Lines: 20 Message-ID: <38D07886.283E1806@netscape.com> References: <38D04F37.C5FCC7B6@cts.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-205-217-240-75.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Jim Clow wrote: > > W3C says my pages are error-free (4.0 Transitional/loose). They also > display as intended in IE5.0 and all versions of NC I have tried (4.04, > 4.61, 4.7, 4.72) > > The problems: > 1. Alt text does not display on mouseover of images. It does display at > the start of image loads (true for both 2. and 3. below) The validators check syntax, your complaint is about behavior. There is nothing incorrect about the way Mozilla handles ALT tags. See http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/objects.html#adef-alt You want to use the title attribute for "tool-tip" like behavior: http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/global.html#adef-title The rest sound like things that should be filed in bugzilla. -Dan Veditz From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:37 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Jerry Baker Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: DATE DISPLAY Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 23:00:56 -0800 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 25 Message-ID: <38D086A8.9DF43495@weirdness.com> References: <38D0775D.41CA8303@sia.net.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: lsanca1-ar3-147-141.dsl.gtei.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.71 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Peter Grullemans wrote: > > Dates in my Nestcape 4.6 or 4.7 message headers very often display as > e.g. > "4.15 pm Thursday" > > I need them to say e.g. > > "16/03/2000" or similar > > I've tried the edit preferences, view header, view message, date in > desktop, regional settings. My ISP (sia.net.au) cant tell me. > > DOES ANYONE HAVE KNOWLEDGE OR EXPERIENCE PLEASE. > > Peter G. Sydney Australia It is not configurable. In the future, Netscape Communicator questions are best asked in snews://secnews.netscape.com/netscape.communicator. -- Jerry Baker PGP Mail Preferred Key: http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x09DE91C6 From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:37 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Richard Zach Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: DATE DISPLAY Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 01:21:05 -0800 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 15 Message-ID: <38D0A781.6040208@NOSPAMmath.berkeley.edu> References: <38D0775D.41CA8303@sia.net.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-63-194-82-58.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; N; Linux 2.2.11 i586; en-US; m14) X-Accept-Language: en Peter Grullemans wrote: > Dates in my Nestcape 4.6 or 4.7 message headers very often display as > e.g. > "4.15 pm Thursday" > > I need them to say e.g. > > "16/03/2000" or similar Mozilla/Netscape 6 will have the date format like you want it. Beta available soon. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:37 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Harry Krause Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Importing Netscape Address Book? Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 06:46:53 -0500 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 10 Message-ID: <38D0C9AD.FE740B34@capu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dsl-4-249.capu.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf How, please... Since the "import" doesn't seem to work in Mozilla address book utils... -- Harry Krause ------------ Politically, fashionably and aerodynamically incorrect. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:37 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Harry Krause Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Using skins... Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 06:47:38 -0500 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 11 Message-ID: <38D0C9DA.C32BE174@capu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dsl-4-249.capu.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf How, please...since there seems to be no direction sheet for importing and using skins. And where might these skins be found? -- Harry Krause ------------ What can you do for me? From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:37 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!ihug.co.nz!news.tig.com.au!not-for-mail From: "Michael Hendy" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Using skins... Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 23:12:41 +1100 Organization: The Internet Group (Sydney) Lines: 10 Message-ID: <8aqj9c$nva$1@bugstomper.ihug.com.au> References: <38D0C9DA.C32BE174@capu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p16-max26.syd.ihug.com.au X-Server-Date: 16 Mar 2000 12:15:40 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 > How, please...since there seems to be no direction sheet for importing > and using skins. > And where might these skins be found? > Have a look in the newsgroup netscape.public.mozilla.ui and read the FAQ :) ( Version .07 in HTML form is at http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~hendy/npmuifaq.html ) From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:37 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Sebastian Spaeth Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Chatzilla Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:11:17 +0100 Organization: University of =?iso-8859-1?Q?Link=F6ping?= Lines: 6 Message-ID: <38D0EB85.DA0E6EDD@SSpaeth.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: f29.ryd.student.liu.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [de] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: sv,de,en I understand that Chatzilla was turned off for beta, but now that the branching took place: Will Chatzilla be back in the nights? When? Sebastian From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:37 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!skynet.be!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!nntp2.giganews.com!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: tim_hutchinson@my-deja.com Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: File locations for offline mail (imap) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 16:05:06 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <8ar0ne$oe1$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.233.75.137 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Mar 16 15:45:44 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x23.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 128.233.75.137 I'm trying to download mail folders for offline storage. When using a pop server, this doesn't seem to be a problem - there's an ascii file corresponding to the mail folder. However, when using imap (and the system in question does not support pop), I'm unable to figure out where the relevant ascii files for folders downloaded for offline viewing are located. Can someone help? Thanks! Tim -- Tim Hutchinson University of Saskatchewan Archives 301 Main Library, 3 Campus Drive Saskatoon, SK S7N 5A4 tel: (306) 966-7253 fax: (306) 966-6040 e-mail: tim.hutchinson@usask.ca web: http://www.usask.ca/archives/ Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:37 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!skynet.be!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!nntp2.giganews.com!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: tim_hutchinson@my-deja.com Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: File locations for offline mail (imap) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 16:05:08 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <8ar0nf$oe2$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.233.75.137 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Mar 16 15:45:44 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x23.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 128.233.75.137 I'm trying to download mail folders for offline storage. When using a pop server, this doesn't seem to be a problem - there's an ascii file corresponding to the mail folder. However, when using imap (and the system in question does not support pop), I'm unable to figure out where the relevant ascii files for folders downloaded for offline viewing are located. Can someone help? Thanks! Tim -- Tim Hutchinson University of Saskatchewan Archives 301 Main Library, 3 Campus Drive Saskatoon, SK S7N 5A4 tel: (306) 966-7253 fax: (306) 966-6040 e-mail: tim.hutchinson@usask.ca web: http://www.usask.ca/archives/ Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:37 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Stuart Ballard Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: 'feature' from navigator... Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 16:40:32 +0000 Organization: NetReach Lines: 19 Message-ID: <38D10E80.54933DFE@netreach.net> References: <38C6847E.82A3C01E@theALLIEDgroup.com> <38C686AD.665E2B9E@gte.com> <38C696DD.18DDA439@theALLIEDgroup.com> <38C6A07F.1D013CE3@cs.cmu.edu> <38C6A324.CBEC100A@theALLIEDgroup.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: rainbow.netreach.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i586) X-Accept-Language: en Erik wrote: > > Thanks for the response. Any insight on the factors that cause it to > work/not work? > > ~erik > > Robert O'Callahan wrote: > > > It is there. It does have bugs, but I've managed to make it work in some > > cases. See http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30822 and its associated test-case page. Linking to a data: stylesheet url works, but the image does not show up. AFAIK, this bug has everything that anyone knows about this issue. Stuart. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:37 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Scott I. Remick Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Memory leak in M14? Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:55:06 -0500 Organization: Computer Alternatives, Inc. Lines: 13 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: scott.computeralt.com X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.20 Is there a known memory leak in M14? On my WinNT box, I notice the memory usage of mozilla.exe steadily climb until performance is so awful I have to close it and restart it. I've watched it get as big as 90MB of RAM before I caught it and closed it. This doesn't seem to happen to me at home on my Win95 system though. Any thoughts? ----------------------- Scott I. Remick scott@computeralt.com Network and Information (802)388-7545 ext. 236 Systems Manager FAX:(802)388-3697 Computer Alternatives, Inc. http://www.computeralt.com From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:37 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Stephen Bowen Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: My first trials of M14 & M15 not good Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 19:26:54 +0100 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 50 Message-ID: <38D1276E.C4A3C5B@netscape.net> References: <38D04F37.C5FCC7B6@cts.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: N692P005.dipool.highway.telekom.at Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Hi I confirm that Mozilla seems to have problems with frames. On some pages that I have there are the same false displays. As an example simply go to www.netradio.com, click on a channel for music, then click on listen in RealAudio, don't pick the Windows Media Player, Mozilla will crash everytime. Take a look at the controls ect and do the same in either NS 4X or IE 5X and compare and oh one more thing in either of the two browsers it's okay to click on the media player if you like. steve Jim Clow wrote: > I installed M14/Fullsoft yesterday and found that it would not properly > display a couple of sites of my own creation. I completely removed M14 > and installed the build: > > ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/nightly/2000-03-15-09-M15/ > > W3C says my pages are error-free (4.0 Transitional/loose). They also > display as intended in IE5.0 and all versions of NC I have tried (4.04, > 4.61, 4.7, 4.72) > > The problems: > 1. Alt text does not display on mouseover of images. It does display at > the start of image loads (true for both 2. and 3. below) > > 2. This is a page which uses
with absolute positioning and > Selection boxes: > > http://members.cts.com/crash/j/jimclow/Pnos1024.htm > > (Also Pnos1280.htm, Pnos800.htm and Pnos640.htm) These are the same > except each is designed for a specific range of monitor resolutions.) > > (a) The text which identifies the Selection boxes is incorrectly aligned > (one line too low). > (b) The selection lists won't display nor will the action button (marked > 'Show') work with the deault selection. > > 3. This is a frameset page: > http://members.cts.com/crash/j/jimclow/Passport/index.html > > The page which is loaded when the image at the bottom of the left frame > is clicked has three Area Maps. > > (a) The areas have ALT text which is not displayed on mouseover. > (b) The links are not selected when attempting to TAB through them. > > Jim Clow, San Diego From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:37 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Jim Clow Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: My first trials of M14 & M15 not good Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:01:15 -0800 Organization: Total Dis Lines: 31 Message-ID: <38D13D8B.3B7FE761@cts.com> References: <38D04F37.C5FCC7B6@cts.com> <38D07886.283E1806@netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: jimclow.cts.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: de-DE,en Daniel Veditz wrote: > > Jim Clow wrote: > > > > W3C says my pages are error-free (4.0 Transitional/loose). They also > > display as intended in IE5.0 and all versions of NC I have tried (4.04, > > 4.61, 4.7, 4.72) > > > > The problems: > > 1. Alt text does not display on mouseover of images. It does display at > > the start of image loads (true for both 2. and 3. below) > > The validators check syntax, your complaint is about behavior. There is > nothing incorrect about the way Mozilla handles ALT tags. See > http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/objects.html#adef-alt > > You want to use the title attribute for "tool-tip" like behavior: > http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/global.html#adef-title > > The rest sound like things that should be filed in bugzilla. > > -Dan Veditz Thanks for the information and references. I infer that the ALT versus TITLE actions are HTML 4 specifications which cause the different behaviour vis-a-vis current browsers. Is the charter of Mozilla to conform exclusively to HTML 4 with no consideration of transitional needs? Jim Clow From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:37 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Doyle Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Memory leak in M14? Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:13:21 -0800 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 56 Message-ID: <38D14060.BBD9F60E@verticaljump.com> References: Reply-To: pete@verticaljump.com NNTP-Posting-Host: sdn-ar-006waseatP231.dialsprint.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------6814CBB30516D459FB4BC73E" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: "Scott I. Remick" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------6814CBB30516D459FB4BC73E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think that there are a bunch of leaks in mozilla. One especially big one is that pages with animated gifs can leak up 1 meg per minute. See bug 30385: http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30385 It was marked fixed on 15 March, so in the newest nightly builds it should leak less. Mozilla is still a ways from shipping, so leaks are to be expected :-) Hope this helps, Pete Doyle "Scott I. Remick" wrote: > Is there a known memory leak in M14? On my WinNT box, I notice the > memory usage of mozilla.exe steadily climb until performance is so awful > I have to close it and restart it. I've watched it get as big as 90MB of > RAM before I caught it and closed it. This doesn't seem to happen to me > at home on my Win95 system though. > > Any thoughts? > > ----------------------- > Scott I. Remick scott@computeralt.com > Network and Information (802)388-7545 ext. 236 > Systems Manager FAX:(802)388-3697 > Computer Alternatives, Inc. http://www.computeralt.com --------------6814CBB30516D459FB4BC73E Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="pete.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Pete Doyle Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="pete.vcf" begin:vcard n:Doyle;Pete x-mozilla-html:TRUE adr:;;;;;; version:2.1 email;internet:pete@verticaljump.com x-mozilla-cpt:;-1 fn:Pete Doyle end:vcard --------------6814CBB30516D459FB4BC73E-- From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:37 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Daniel Veditz Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.mozilla.layout Subject: Re: My first trials of M14 & M15 not good Followup-To: netscape.public.mozilla.layout Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:22:56 -0800 Organization: Speaking only for myself Lines: 41 Message-ID: <38D142A0.BD81CB81@netscape.com> References: <38D04F37.C5FCC7B6@cts.com> <38D07886.283E1806@netscape.com> <38D13D8B.3B7FE761@cts.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-208-12-39-196.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.general:17235 netscape.public.mozilla.layout:7030 Jim Clow wrote: > > Daniel Veditz wrote: > > > > Jim Clow wrote: > > > > > > W3C says my pages are error-free (4.0 Transitional/loose). They also > > > display as intended in IE5.0 and all versions of NC I have tried (4.04, > > > 4.61, 4.7, 4.72) > > > > > > The problems: > > > 1. Alt text does not display on mouseover of images. It does display at > > > the start of image loads (true for both 2. and 3. below) > > > > The validators check syntax, your complaint is about behavior. There is > > nothing incorrect about the way Mozilla handles ALT tags. See > > http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/objects.html#adef-alt > > > > You want to use the title attribute for "tool-tip" like behavior: > > http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/global.html#adef-title > > > > The rest sound like things that should be filed in bugzilla. > > > > -Dan Veditz > > Thanks for the information and references. I infer that the ALT versus > TITLE actions are HTML 4 specifications which cause the different > behaviour vis-a-vis current browsers. > > Is the charter of Mozilla to conform exclusively to HTML 4 with no > consideration of transitional needs? It's been a source of argument. There is a "quirks" mode that attempts to recognize non-standard but common HTML syntax. Maybe the .layout folks can fill you in on the mozilla philosophy towards standard compliance. -Dan Veditz From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:37 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Richard Zach Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: File locations for offline mail (imap) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:56:00 -0800 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 14 Message-ID: <38D17490.C9E1037E@math.berkeley.edu> References: <8ar0nf$oe2$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-63-194-82-58.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.11 i586) X-Accept-Language: en, de, de-CH, de-DE, de-AT tim_hutchinson@my-deja.com wrote: > > I'm trying to download mail folders for offline storage. When > using a pop server, this doesn't seem to be a problem - there's > an ascii file corresponding to the mail folder. However, when > using imap (and the system in question does not support pop), I'm unable > to figure out where the relevant ascii files for folders downloaded > for offline viewing are located. Can someone help? It's a planned feature. See http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15865 Right now, IMAP mails are not kept locally, just the headers. Same for news. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:37 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Bob Crawford Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: document.write not working? Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:10:34 -0600 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 55 Message-ID: <38D177FA.58F387B3@w3cdom.com> References: <38CFCC28.7B0C0E09@cs.cityu.edu.hk> <38D059B1.BC37B20A@w3cdom.com> <38D06F79.895E85AF@hotmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cs9351-169.austin.rr.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------BB0E7AD8AB8A24A1451D58CE" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf To: Jerome Kwok --------------BB0E7AD8AB8A24A1451D58CE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jerome Kwok wrote: > Hmm... I mean... I want to use different CSS file for NS and IE. > "document.write" seems not working with the latest nightly builds. It > made the whole page corrupted. NS, IE and M13 works fine. My pages use document.write, and have worked just fine for my purposes... ...maybe I'm missing something here ... How does document.write affect your style-sheets? Got an example?? > Bob Crawford wrote: > > > > Jerome Kwok wrote: > > > > > This kind of browser detection code seems not working in the latest > > > build (031505). DOM problem? Any alternatives? > > > > http://www.w3cdom.com/detect.html --------------BB0E7AD8AB8A24A1451D58CE Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jerome Kwok wrote:
Hmm... I mean... I want to use different CSS file for NS and IE.
"document.write" seems not working with the latest nightly builds.  It
made the whole page corrupted.  NS, IE and M13 works fine.
My pages use document.write, and have worked just fine for my purposes...
...maybe I'm missing something here ...
How does document.write affect your style-sheets?
Got an example??
 
Bob Crawford wrote:
>
> Jerome Kwok wrote:
>
> > This kind of browser detection code seems not working in the latest
> > build (031505).  DOM problem?  Any alternatives?
>
> http://www.w3cdom.com/detect.html
--------------BB0E7AD8AB8A24A1451D58CE-- From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:37 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Richard Zach Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: document.write not working? Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 16:54:51 -0800 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 17 Message-ID: <38D1825B.DC057765@math.berkeley.edu> References: <38CFCC28.7B0C0E09@cs.cityu.edu.hk> <38D059B1.BC37B20A@w3cdom.com> <38D06F79.895E85AF@hotmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-63-194-82-58.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.11 i586) X-Accept-Language: en, de, de-CH, de-DE, de-AT Jerome Kwok wrote: > > Hmm... I mean... I want to use different CSS file for NS and IE. > "document.write" seems not working with the latest nightly builds. It > made the whole page corrupted. NS, IE and M13 works fine. There are two bugs filed on this: http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31873 http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32094 I don't think there is another way to conditionally load style sheets short of doing it server-side. Have a look at Eric Krock's pages at http://developer.netscape.com/viewsource/krock_v5.html http://sites.netscape.net/ekrock/standards.html From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:37 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!enews.sgi.com!feeder.via.net!24.0.94.134.MISMATCH!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.tn.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Jason Bennett Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Bugzilla email change Message-ID: X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.20.1640 Lines: 12 Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 03:19:46 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.2.104.181 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.tn.home.com 953263186 24.2.104.181 (Thu, 16 Mar 2000 19:19:46 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 19:19:46 PST Organization: @Home Network Who do I contact about changing my contact email in Bugzilla, or having my bugs reported from a different account? My email address is changing, and I need to continue receiving the emails. jason -- Jason Bennett, jasonab@acm.org Software Engineer, Cryptography Buff, Gamer Believer in Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord http://members.home.net/jasonab/ From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:37 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Jerome Kwok Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: document.write not working? Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 12:30:06 +0800 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 21 Message-ID: <38D1B4CE.604237CD@hotmail.com> References: <38CFCC28.7B0C0E09@cs.cityu.edu.hk> <38D059B1.BC37B20A@w3cdom.com> <38D06F79.895E85AF@hotmail.com> <38D1825B.DC057765@math.berkeley.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: node70031.cathaypacific.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-TW Yes, it seems to be threading problems. I replaced the JavaScript code with server-side CGI detection, the page now works fine. Richard Zach wrote: > > Jerome Kwok wrote: > > > > Hmm... I mean... I want to use different CSS file for NS and IE. > > "document.write" seems not working with the latest nightly builds. It > > made the whole page corrupted. NS, IE and M13 works fine. > > There are two bugs filed on this: > http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31873 > http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32094 > > I don't think there is another way to conditionally load > style sheets short of doing it server-side. Have a look at Eric Krock's > pages at > > http://developer.netscape.com/viewsource/krock_v5.html > http://sites.netscape.net/ekrock/standards.html From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:37 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!news.tig.com.au!not-for-mail From: hendy@ihug.com.au (Michael Hendy) Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Chatzilla Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 08:36:47 GMT Organization: Hurlstone Agricultural High School Lines: 12 Message-ID: <38d1ee86.182997846@news.syd.ihug.com.au> References: <38D0EB85.DA0E6EDD@SSpaeth.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: p61-tnt2.syd.ihug.com.au X-Server-Date: 17 Mar 2000 08:35:16 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 On Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:11:17 +0100, Sebastian Spaeth said something along the lines of >I understand that Chatzilla was turned off for beta, >but now that the branching took place: > >Will Chatzilla be back in the nights? When? > >Sebastian I noticed it has disappeared too, quite irritating :( Who is General Failure, and why is he reading my disk? From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:37 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!news.tig.com.au!not-for-mail From: hendy@ihug.com.au (Michael Hendy) Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Chatzilla Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 08:37:51 GMT Organization: Hurlstone Agricultural High School Lines: 8 Message-ID: <38d1eec8.183063150@news.syd.ihug.com.au> References: <38D0EB85.DA0E6EDD@SSpaeth.de> <38d1ee86.182997846@news.syd.ihug.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: p61-tnt2.syd.ihug.com.au X-Server-Date: 17 Mar 2000 08:36:19 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 >Who is General Failure, and why is he reading my disk? Ignore the sig, it's not part of the message :P ----- Who is General Failure, and why is he reading my disk? From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:37 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: LKG Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Bookmark disappeared (became 1K) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 03:38:49 -0500 Lines: 35 Message-ID: <38D1EF19.F8F0B389@phantom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: jCnM7P39xMsU9OvrKdpAD+tBEEYo3mQkzszxZh2zGOE= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Mar 2000 08:38:31 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) I saw the message below in deja.com, but my ISP's news server doesn't have alt.netscape, so I have to reply here. Netscape V4.7 ate my bookmark file this early morning, just as happened to the person below. Does Netscape keep a backup copy somewhere? (Oh Please!) (I know, I should have been doing that myself...) (Has this product been going steadily downhill? Was AOL buying Netscape a favor to Microsoft?) Lkg@phantom.com > Forum: alt.netscape > Thread: Bookmark file has reset to 1k ?? > Subject: Bookmark file has reset to 1k ?? > Date: 03/15/2000 > Author: Harry Hollander > > Appreciate any help on this.... I have just gone to my bookmarks > and find > that it is "completely" empty. I had > heaps sorted in categories and now the file is 1k and empty. The > time stamp > is about 10mins ago so > something happened but I didn't see it...... Has the original been > filed > somewhere or did this V4.7 just > decide to can it. > > Help..... > > thanks From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:37 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Robert Kaiser Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Bookmark disappeared (became 1K) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 15:02:57 +0100 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 10 Message-ID: <38D23B11.F4E1B144@StarTrekMail.com> References: <38D1EF19.F8F0B389@phantom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: server.hirsch.sth.ac.at Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [de] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: de-AT,de,en-US,en,it > (Has this product been going steadily downhill? Was > AOL buying Netscape a favor to Microsoft?) As you're in a Mozilla newsgroup here and Mozilla will be the base for Netscape 6 (beta is coming in the next weeks!), you'll see it's not "going steadily downhill". OTOH, Netscape 4 code won't get better with any "new" 4.xx coming out as Mozilla was rewritten from scratch and everyone@netscape puts all his efforts in Mozilla, not in any 4.x code AFAIK... From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:37 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Harry Krause Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.mail-news,netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: STILL no importation of address book? Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 09:47:21 -0500 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 14 Message-ID: <38D24579.8AAC89BA@capu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dsl-4-249.capu.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.mail-news:7490 netscape.public.mozilla.general:17245 Interestingly, when I download and install the daily builders, using the installer, the program picks up my profile from Netscape 4.72 just fine, EXCEPT it does not pick up my existing address book nor does the command for IMPORT work on the address book. Is there a solution for this? Is there a secret handshake to get the solution? -- Harry Krause ------------ Save your breath for your inflatable date. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:37 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!news.algonet.se!newsfeed1.telenordia.se!algonet!newsfeed1.nokia.com!news1.nokia.com!news2.nokia.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38D24952.F7D646BD@nokia.com> From: Rickard Andersson Organization: Nokia X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Chatzilla References: <38D0EB85.DA0E6EDD@SSpaeth.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 7 Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 15:05:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 172.24.85.227 X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@nokia.com X-Trace: news2.nokia.com 953305531 172.24.85.227 (Fri, 17 Mar 2000 17:05:31 EET) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 17:05:31 EET Chatzilla is not working in M14 :( I created a bugzilla bugreport #31765 about this and it turns out that Chatzilla doesn't start up in current builds due to bug #29053. /Rickard From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:38 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!unlisys!news.snafu.de!fu-berlin.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news-hub.cableinet.net!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!newspeer1.nac.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: terala@pcs.mot.com Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: scriptable cookies, etc Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 15:26:48 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <8atirh$jmr$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 136.182.2.221 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Mar 17 15:26:48 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; N; NT4.0; en-US) Mozilla/m13 X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 netcache31.mot.com (NetCache 4.1R1D2), 1.0 x33.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 172.30.36.36, 136.182.2.221 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDterala Hello, I was wondering if it is possible to script things like accepting cookies, urls, highlighting certain text in mailer, news groups, etc. Basically I would like to have control to what sites are accessible from the browser, etc. I would really appreciate your help. Ravi Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:38 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Weaselboy Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: [OT] Mozilla + stalinism + maoism Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 10:06:11 -0600 Organization: Stinky Weasel, A division of Powerclam Industries Lines: 7 Message-ID: <38D257F3.F7D5E383@stinkyweasel.com> References: <8akq9n$6a51@secnews.netscape.com> <38CF24E8.699974@computer.org> <38CFEA5E.EF3E0323@netscape.com> <38CFFF40.6D691313@weirdness.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.77.141.133 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Jerry Brown, Diane Fineswine, San Francisco... California is just plain schizoid. I say let's bust the San Andreas loose right now! From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:38 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Jerry Baker Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: [OT] Mozilla + stalinism + maoism Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 08:49:27 -0800 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 17 Message-ID: <38D26217.AB907373@weirdness.com> References: <8akq9n$6a51@secnews.netscape.com> <38CF24E8.699974@computer.org> <38CFEA5E.EF3E0323@netscape.com> <38CFFF40.6D691313@weirdness.com> <38D257F3.F7D5E383@stinkyweasel.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lsanca1-ar3-147-141.dsl.gtei.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.71 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Weaselboy wrote: > > Jerry Brown, Diane Fineswine, San Francisco... > > California is just plain schizoid. > I say let's bust the San Andreas loose right now! Yes! I do like the earthquakes. People in other states ask me how I can live with the riots, fires, earthquakes, mudslides, floods and other stuff in California. I always ask them how they can live without them. ;-) -- Jerry Baker PGP Mail Preferred Key: http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x09DE91C6 From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:38 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!feeder.via.net!24.0.94.134.MISMATCH!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.nj.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38D26A78.E0ECECC9@ieee.org> From: Martin Rosenblum Reply-To: m.rosenblum@ieee.org Organization: Amateur Computer Group of New Jersey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,fr,pt,el MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Background colors in Netscape 4.7 Unix / Linux do not show up right. References: <38B082E9.89635BF1@mylinuxisp.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------C1591BC7B708A878115D78F4" Lines: 55 Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 17:24:36 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.3.178.19 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.nj.home.com 953313876 24.3.178.19 (Fri, 17 Mar 2000 09:24:36 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 09:24:36 PST This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------C1591BC7B708A878115D78F4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On my WIN98 NS4.7 there is edit/preferences/appearance/colors which by default sets the background to gray but also has a "windows colors" checkbox. I have a problem, too. Mine is that I have "unvisited links" set to light blue on bot my desktop and my laptop. I do not have "Always use my colors..." checked on either machine. When I go to anywho.com, the side panel has a dark blue background. The links appear white and legible on my laptop, but blue and illegible on my desktop. David Hostetler wrote: > I have a really basic problem with Netscape 4.7 for Unix / Linux. I have > my Linux Links page set up with a white background and when I view it > from Navigator from my lLinux box it shows up with a gray screen. It > shows up white under Windows, StarOffice, and KFM. What is going on with > Netscape? Is tthere a preferences box that I left unchecked or > something??? -- -------------------------------------------- Martin Rosenblum, Head, Internet SIG of ACGNJ http://www.intac.com/~rosenblm --------------C1591BC7B708A878115D78F4 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="m.rosenblum.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Martin Rosenblum Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="m.rosenblum.vcf" begin:vcard n:Rosenblum;Martin tel;home:(973)376-8965 tel;work:(973)376-8965 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://www.intac.com/~rosenblm org:Amateur Computer Group of New Jersey adr:;;70 Great Hills Road;Short Hills;NJ;07078-3012;USA version:2.1 email;internet:m.rosenblum@ieee.org title:Head, Internet Special Interest Group x-mozilla-cpt:;32256 fn:Martin J. Rosenblum end:vcard --------------C1591BC7B708A878115D78F4-- From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:38 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Dario Copia Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Mozzilla Key Event Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 12:52:46 -0500 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 5 Message-ID: <38D270EE.6DD9AA39@artide.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-141-154-70-117.bellatlantic.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Hello, somebody knows how the key event works on mozilla ? TIA From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:38 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Dario Copia Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Mozzilla Key Event Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 12:52:55 -0500 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 5 Message-ID: <38D270F7.E0D925D8@artide.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-141-154-70-117.bellatlantic.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Hello, somebody knows how the key event works on mozilla ? TIA From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:38 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: David Bienvenu Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.mail-news,netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: STILL no importation of address book? Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 09:57:43 -0800 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 30 Message-ID: <38D27217.3090509@netscape.com> References: <38D24579.8AAC89BA@capu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-206-222-244-91.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; N; WinNT4.0; en-US; m14) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.mail-news:7496 netscape.public.mozilla.general:17253 The 4.x address book upgrade code has not been turned on yet. When it is turned on, the upgrade will only work with the Netscape builds, not the mozilla builds, because 4.x used a 3rd party database for the address book that mozilla doesn't have the rights to distribute in source code form. This should be working sometime next week - all the code is checked in (except for the code in the profile migration component), and I'm waiting for some mac project help. - David Harry Krause wrote: > > Interestingly, when I download and install the daily builders, using the > installer, the program picks up my profile from Netscape 4.72 just fine, > EXCEPT it does not pick up my existing address book nor does the command > for IMPORT work on the address book. > > Is there a solution for this? Is there a secret handshake to get the > solution? > > > -- > Harry Krause > ------------ > > Save your breath for your inflatable date. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:38 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!unlisys!news.snafu.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!europa.netcrusader.net!207.172.3.37!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: LKG Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.general Subject: Re: Bookmark disappeared (became 1K) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 13:03:36 -0500 Lines: 62 Message-ID: <38D27378.F215FACF@phantom.com> References: <38D1EF19.F8F0B389@phantom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: gttUyUMrO5GsNXynKLfcruksc/MHm8Vu5MsIea9DPmA= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Mar 2000 18:03:23 GMT Cc: Harry Hollander X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.general:17254 netscape.public.general:22405 I answered my own quesion. There was a .TMP file in my \windows\temp subdirectory that was a day-old version of my bookmark file! Thank goodness! (I found it by searching for text I knew was in the bookmark file.) :} Lkg@phantom.com PS: I sure hope this new Netscape version (6?) will go back to being the better browser. V4.7 actually has me thinking it's time to go to IE, which I've never liked. In 4.7, for every improvement there's at least one devolutionary change...disappointing in the extreme. LKG wrote: > I saw the message below in deja.com, but my ISP's news > server doesn't have alt.netscape, so I have to reply here. > > Netscape V4.7 ate my bookmark file this early morning, > just as happened to the person below. Does Netscape > keep a backup copy somewhere? (Oh Please!) (I know, > I should have been doing that myself...) > > (Has this product been going steadily downhill? Was > AOL buying Netscape a favor to Microsoft?) > > Lkg@phantom.com > > > Forum: alt.netscape > > Thread: Bookmark file has reset to 1k ?? > > Subject: Bookmark file has reset to 1k ?? > > Date: 03/15/2000 > > Author: Harry Hollander > > > > Appreciate any help on this.... I have just gone to my bookmarks > > and find > > that it is "completely" empty. I had > > heaps sorted in categories and now the file is 1k and empty. The > > time stamp > > is about 10mins ago so > > something happened but I didn't see it...... Has the original been > > > filed > > somewhere or did this V4.7 just > > decide to can it. > > > > Help..... > > > > thanks > Subject: Re: Bookmark disappeared (became 1K) > Date: 03/17/2000 > Author: Robert Kaiser > [...] > As you're in a Mozilla newsgroup here and Mozilla will be the base for > Netscape 6 (beta is coming in the next > weeks!), you'll see it's not "going steadily downhill". > OTOH, Netscape 4 code won't get better with any "new" 4.xx coming out as > Mozilla was rewritten from scratch > and everyone@netscape puts all his efforts in Mozilla, not in any 4.x code > AFAIK... > From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:38 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: dmose@mozilla.org (Dan Mosedale) Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Performance still not sufficient Date: 17 Mar 2000 18:30:34 GMT Organization: Association of Lizard Shepards Lines: 37 Message-ID: <8attka$9n32@secnews.netscape.com> References: <001601bf8d36$b2178720$09a0fea9@mozilla> NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-63-194-215-4.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test72 (19 April 1999) If you've got the time and inclination, profiling trouble spots would be very helpful. See for details on tools and hints that can be used for this. I'd suggest either picking your favorite performance gotcha, or choosing a bug from and using profiling tools to find where the bottlenecks are, and then adding any relevant information that you dig up to the bug in question. is also a good forum used to discuss this stuff. Dan In article <001601bf8d36$b2178720$09a0fea9@mozilla>, Stephen Donner wrote: > Is there any way we can help out by benchmarking, Dan? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Daniel Veditz > Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general > To: mozilla-general@mozilla.org > Date: Monday, March 13, 2000 12:41 AM > Subject: Re: Performance still not sufficient > > > >Stephen Donner wrote: > >> > >> Does Mozilla run benchmarking software or do you test times by hand? > > > >Both. > > > >We stopwatch things, investigate trouble spots with various profilers, and > >have sections of code instrumented to output timings when certain switches > >are set (either compiled in, or runtime switches in debug builds). > > > >-Dan Veditz From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:38 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Richard Zach Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.mail-news,netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: STILL no importation of address book? Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 10:41:40 -0800 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 16 Message-ID: <38D27C64.704@NOSPAMmath.berkeley.edu> References: <38D24579.8AAC89BA@capu.net> <38D27217.3090509@netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-63-194-82-58.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; N; Linux 2.2.11 i586; en-US; m14) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.mail-news:7501 netscape.public.mozilla.general:17255 David Bienvenu wrote: > The 4.x address book upgrade code has not been turned on yet. > > When it is turned on, the upgrade will only work with the Netscape > builds, not the mozilla builds, because 4.x used a 3rd party database > for the address book that mozilla doesn't have the rights to distribute > in source code form. This confuses me. I did import my address book from 4.7, using File | Import from an LDIF file into which I had previously exported my address book. Was that turned off? Or are you just talking about importing abook data directly (not using LDIF export first) and in the profile migration? From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:38 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Stuart Ballard Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Default html.css & link:focus:outline Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 18:44:24 +0000 Organization: NetReach Lines: 12 Message-ID: <38D27D08.9A176042@netreach.net> References: <38CB274C.6DBCF54F@d6.org> <38CB65D6.5E717D22@metal.ee> NNTP-Posting-Host: rainbow.netreach.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i586) X-Accept-Language: en Irve wrote: > > Daniel Crisman wrote: > > > > Can anyone tell me why the default html.css has outline set to '1px > > dotted black' and not 'none'? > to mimic IE? > I find it also quite annoying, why is it useful? Keyboard navigation? Stuart. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:38 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Harry Krause Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.mail-news,netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: STILL no importation of address book? Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 13:51:32 -0500 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 24 Message-ID: <38D27EB4.7F19A58B@capu.net> References: <38D24579.8AAC89BA@capu.net> <38D27217.3090509@netscape.com> <38D27C64.704@NOSPAMmath.berkeley.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: dsl-4-249.capu.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.mail-news:7502 netscape.public.mozilla.general:17258 Richard Zach wrote: > > David Bienvenu wrote: > > > The 4.x address book upgrade code has not been turned on yet. > > > > When it is turned on, the upgrade will only work with the Netscape > > builds, not the mozilla builds, because 4.x used a 3rd party database > > for the address book that mozilla doesn't have the rights to distribute > > in source code form. > > This confuses me. I did import my address book from 4.7, using File | > Import from an LDIF file into which I had previously exported my address > book. Was that turned off? Or are you just talking about importing > abook data directly (not using LDIF export first) and in the profile > migration? LDIF works? -- Harry Krause ------------ WindowsError 017: Non existent error. This cannot really be happening! From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:38 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Dean Tessman Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.mail-news,netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: STILL no importation of address book? Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 12:18:37 -0700 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 24 Message-ID: <8au0ao$9n33@secnews.netscape.com> References: <38D24579.8AAC89BA@capu.net> <38D27217.3090509@netscape.com> <38D27C64.704@NOSPAMmath.berkeley.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: edtn001634.hs.telusplanet.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.mail-news:7506 netscape.public.mozilla.general:17259 Richard Zach wrote: > > David Bienvenu wrote: > > > The 4.x address book upgrade code has not been turned on yet. > > > > When it is turned on, the upgrade will only work with the Netscape > > builds, not the mozilla builds, because 4.x used a 3rd party database > > for the address book that mozilla doesn't have the rights to distribute > > in source code form. > > This confuses me. I did import my address book from 4.7, using File | > Import from an LDIF file into which I had previously exported my address > book. Was that turned off? Or are you just talking about importing > abook data directly (not using LDIF export first) and in the profile > migration? I think they're talking about including the address book in profile migration. -- Dean Tessman (remove "spamfree!." to reply by mail) From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:38 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Daniel Veditz Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.mail-news,netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: STILL no importation of address book? Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 11:26:42 -0800 Organization: Speaking only for myself Lines: 18 Message-ID: <38D286F2.69CA4C3B@netscape.com> References: <38D24579.8AAC89BA@capu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-205-217-240-38.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: Harry Krause Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.mail-news:7511 netscape.public.mozilla.general:17260 Harry Krause wrote: > [... a mail/news question ...] Just a friendly reminder, cross-posting to the .general group is discouraged (the "Ground Rules" at http://www.mozilla.org/community.html put it a little stronger). Since .general is the home for all topics that don't have another more specific home it could easily get swamped if it also picks up threads that belong elsewhere. Besides, if you have a question about X and the folks interested in X don't have an answer for you, the folks in the .general group *not* interested in X aren't likely to either. (The folks in the .general group interested in/knowledgable about X are already also reading the X group.) Thanks! -Dan Veditz From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:38 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Fred Roeber Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Mozzilla Key Event Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 11:32:31 -0800 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 63 Message-ID: <38D2884F.5684DE51@netscape.com> References: <38D270EE.6DD9AA39@artide.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-208-12-62-61.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms6D606B020B7C4B6E7E89F19D" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.71 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12-20smp i686) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, es This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms6D606B020B7C4B6E7E89F19D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > somebody knows how the key event works on mozilla ? Same as it always has, though it's on April 6th this year. 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Yeah, but how do little peons like myself find the people we want to meet? Heh heh. I can just see myself walking around all night..."are you Phil Peterson? NO? How 'bout you, are you Jud?"..etc. ;-) -- Jerry Baker PGP Mail Preferred Key: http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x09DE91C6 From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:38 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: David Hyatt Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.ui,netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: A sidenote about the new Chromes. Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 15:53:30 -0800 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 28 Message-ID: <38D2C57A.4AD8A5E1@netscape.com> References: <001001bf90cf$81b4c100$9adbfea9@mozilla> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-208-12-39-161.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: Stephen Donner Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.ui:7158 netscape.public.mozilla.general:17265 I have a bug that I plan to fix in M15 that will enable a package to define itself as the primary browser. This means it will be the one that is used for window.open calls and be the one that launches initially. So if aphrodite properly makes itself a separate package, e.g., chrome://aphrodite/content/, there will be a simple pref that you will be able to edit to make aphrodite your default. Hopefully aphrodite is structured this way. If it's trying to overwrite the navigator package rather than co-existing with the navigator package, then this should be fixed. Maybe Pete can comment. Dave (hyatt@netscape.com) Stephen Donner wrote: > First of all, my hat goes off to Chris Nelson and Pete Collins for > ChromeZone, what a success (and of course, Ben Goodger for the > implementation). 2nd, I'd like to make you all aware, if you are already in > a mozilla.exe process, you must kill that process entirely, before spawning > the new mozilla.exe -chrome chrome://aphrodite/content/ > > Thanks all > > Can't wait till freaking BETA baby YEAH! > > - Donner From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:38 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: pete collins Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.ui,netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: A sidenote about the new Chromes. Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 19:42:55 -0500 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 11 Message-ID: <38D2D10C.77A58D40@postpagan.com> References: <001001bf90cf$81b4c100$9adbfea9@mozilla> <38D2C57A.4AD8A5E1@netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bab71-131.optonline.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.ui:7159 netscape.public.mozilla.general:17266 > Hopefully aphrodite is structured this way. If it's trying to overwrite the > navigator package rather than co-existing with the navigator package, then this > should be fixed. Maybe Pete can comment. > Dave, i'm not sure what you mean by "overwrite the navigator package"??? pete From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:38 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Robert Kaiser Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.general Subject: Re: Bookmark disappeared (became 1K) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 03:00:03 +0100 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 10 Message-ID: <38D2E323.66096DC9@StarTrekMail.com> References: <38D1EF19.F8F0B389@phantom.com> <38D27378.F215FACF@phantom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: server.hirsch.sth.ac.at Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [de] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: de-AT,de,en-US,en,it Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.general:17268 netscape.public.general:22416 > PS: I sure hope this new Netscape version (6?) will go > back to being the better browser. V4.7 actually has me > thinking it's time to go to IE, which I've never liked. > In 4.7, for every improvement there's at least one > devolutionary change...disappointing in the extreme. to download a preview, go to www.mozilla.org Robert Kaiser From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:38 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Bob Crawford Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.ui,netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: A sidenote about the new Chromes. Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 20:03:37 -0600 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 16 Message-ID: <38D2E3F9.AA60D28@w3cdom.com> References: <001001bf90cf$81b4c100$9adbfea9@mozilla> <38D2C57A.4AD8A5E1@netscape.com> <38D2D10C.77A58D40@postpagan.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cs9351-169.austin.rr.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.ui:7162 netscape.public.mozilla.general:17267 It is installed in bin/chrome/opensource-ui... Does not overwrite... I have one shortcut plain and one shortcut w/aphrodite on my windows system. pete collins wrote: > > Hopefully aphrodite is structured this way. If it's trying to overwrite the > > navigator package rather than co-existing with the navigator package, then this > > should be fixed. Maybe Pete can comment. > > > > Dave, i'm not sure what you mean by "overwrite the navigator package"??? > > pete From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:38 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!east1.newsfeed.sprint-canada.net!HME1-2.newsfeed.sprint.ca!newscontent-01.sprint.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38D2EBC0.97774C02@gpuri.com> From: gpuri@gpuri.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: printing form Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 5 Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 21:36:48 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 149.99.125.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sprint.ca X-Trace: newscontent-01.sprint.ca 953346571 149.99.125.95 (Fri, 17 Mar 2000 21:29:31 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 21:29:31 EST Organization: Sprint Canada Inc. Is it possible to print a form with the values in the fields ? Like textarea .. etc. I am unable to print .. all the field turn blank on the printer From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:38 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Jerry Baker Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/nightly/latest/mozilla-win32-nb1b.zip Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 18:42:05 -0800 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 16 Message-ID: <38D2ECFD.DD36C6A2@weirdness.com> References: <000101bf90c9$35838060$9adbfea9@mozilla> NNTP-Posting-Host: lsanca1-ar3-147-141.dsl.gtei.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.71 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Stephen Donner wrote: > > is this the first pre-beta build of the commercial Netscape release??? > > :-) I don't think so. The user agent lacks the Netscpe commercial identifiers. Plus I have heard some of the developers say various things in bug reports and in here that leads me to believe that Netscape will not have the Mozilla skin. -- Jerry Baker PGP Mail Preferred Key: http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x09DE91C6 From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:38 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Daniel Veditz Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/nightly/latest/mozilla-win32-nb1b.zip Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 19:28:55 -0800 Organization: Speaking only for myself Lines: 19 Message-ID: <38D2F7F7.F937872C@netscape.com> References: <000101bf90c9$35838060$9adbfea9@mozilla> <38D2ECFD.DD36C6A2@weirdness.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-205-217-240-46.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Jerry Baker wrote: > > Stephen Donner wrote: > > > > is this the first pre-beta build of the commercial Netscape release??? > > > > :-) > > I don't think so. The user agent lacks the Netscpe commercial > identifiers. Plus I have heard some of the developers say various things > in bug reports and in here that leads me to believe that Netscape will > not have the Mozilla skin. My guess is that's it's Mozilla bits built from the nscp_beta1_BRANCH, which forms the basis for the commercial release. Still interesting to mozilla folks because it should be a pretty stable build, especially compared to the badly spanked trunk builds at this point. -Dan Veditz From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:38 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Richard Zach Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: printing form Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 20:35:14 -0800 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 9 Message-ID: <38D30782.DFC952B@math.berkeley.edu> References: <38D2EBC0.97774C02@gpuri.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-63-194-82-58.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.11 i586) X-Accept-Language: en, de, de-CH, de-DE, de-AT gpuri@gpuri.com wrote: > > Is it possible to print a form with the values in the fields ? > Like textarea .. etc. > > I am unable to print .. all the field turn blank on the printer If you're talking about Mozilla... you should file a bug on this at http://www.mozilla.org/bugs/ From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:38 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Thomas Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/nightly/latest/mozilla-win32-nb1b.zip Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 12:36:30 +0100 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 40 Message-ID: <38D36A3D.9A850F93@gmx.net> References: <000401bf90ea$ec7809a0$a841fea9@mozilla> NNTP-Posting-Host: pop-zh-2-dialup-159.freesurf.ch Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en CNet says Netscape 6 looks like 4.7....but we all know CNet Stephen Donner wrote: > You're right, I checked the build, it's not, it's just a way of tagging the > build (probably QA does this?). > > As far as the default Netscape skin goes, I guess I wasn't paying attention, > I am under the impression that since Netscape changed their homepage to > reflect the mouseover JavaScript buttons, that the skin would be the > Netscape skin. But then again, where are they going to fit My Netscape, > Shopping and the like? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jerry Baker > Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general > To: mozilla-general@mozilla.org > Date: Friday, March 17, 2000 9:53 PM > Subject: Re: > ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/nightly/latest/mozilla-win32-nb1b.zip > > >Stephen Donner wrote: > >> > >> is this the first pre-beta build of the commercial Netscape release??? > >> > >> :-) > > > >I don't think so. The user agent lacks the Netscpe commercial > >identifiers. Plus I have heard some of the developers say various things > >in bug reports and in here that leads me to believe that Netscape will > >not have the Mozilla skin. > > > >-- > >Jerry Baker > > > >PGP Mail Preferred > >Key: http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x09DE91C6 > > > > From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:38 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: "Steve M. Mann" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Error accessing PSM Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 08:30:06 -0600 Organization: Steve's Place - http://www.steve-mann.com/ Lines: 12 Message-ID: <38D392EE.1F89278B@steve-mann.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ferengal-1-22.mdm.mke.execpc.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]Champion (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Just downloaded and installed the latest nb1b (ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/nightly/latest/mozilla-win32-nb1b.zip). Now, when going to http://docs.iplanet.com/docs/manuals/psm/psm-mozilla/index.html I get a Forbidden: Your client is not allowed access to the requested object. Anyone know if something is up with the Iplanet site or the nb1b zip? -- Steve M. Mann From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:38 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Bob Crawford Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Javascript error notification... Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 10:39:54 -0600 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 77 Message-ID: <38D3B15A.27B3532F@io.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cs9351-169.austin.rr.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------71E095435BD67F5AAD621841" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf --------------71E095435BD67F5AAD621841 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Where is it? There was an earlier thread complaining about the wording in this dialog... In subsequent builds, javascript errors are completely silent I can find no preference to turn javascript error notification on (rude wording and all...) What happened? By the way, in looking through prefs.js I found the following: user_pref("browser.show_about_as_stupid_modal_window", true); Not only does typing "about:" not result in a modal dialog, but this pref badly needs to be renamed. I wonder if there are other prefs with names like "somepref.only_idiots_do_this,true" "somepref.goddam_mac_weenies,true" "somepref.I_hate_billgates,true" Such comments are out of place and out of line. If you're going to express yourself do it BY the code you write, not IN the code you write. If you ever find yourself coding a function you despise to the point of putting snide comments in the code, perhaps that code should be handed off to somone else, since you're obviously not the right person to implement said function. --------------71E095435BD67F5AAD621841 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Where is it?
There was an earlier thread complaining about the wording in this dialog...
In subsequent builds, javascript errors are completely silent
I can find no preference to turn javascript error notification on (rude wording and all...)
What happened?

By the way, in looking through prefs.js I found the following:
user_pref("browser.show_about_as_stupid_modal_window", true);
 

Not only does typing "about:" not result in a modal dialog, but this pref badly needs to be renamed.
I wonder if there are other prefs with names like

"somepref.only_idiots_do_this,true"
"somepref.goddam_mac_weenies,true"
"somepref.I_hate_billgates,true"


Such comments are out of place and out of line.
If you're going to express yourself do it BY the code you write, not IN the code you write.

If you ever find yourself coding a function you despise to the point of putting snide comments in the code, perhaps that code should be handed off to somone else, since you're obviously not the right person to implement said function.
 
 
  --------------71E095435BD67F5AAD621841-- From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:38 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Robert Kaiser Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/nightly/latest/mozilla-win32-nb1b.zip Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 18:01:18 +0100 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 44 Message-ID: <38D3B65E.60E08F@StarTrekMail.com> References: <000401bf90ea$ec7809a0$a841fea9@mozilla> <38D36A3D.9A850F93@gmx.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: robert.hirsch.sth.ac.at Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [de] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: de-AT,de,en-US,en,it and what about http://www.mozilla.org/projects/ui/netscape ??? Thomas schrieb: > CNet says Netscape 6 looks like 4.7....but we all know CNet > > Stephen Donner wrote: > > > You're right, I checked the build, it's not, it's just a way of tagging the > > build (probably QA does this?). > > > > As far as the default Netscape skin goes, I guess I wasn't paying attention, > > I am under the impression that since Netscape changed their homepage to > > reflect the mouseover JavaScript buttons, that the skin would be the > > Netscape skin. But then again, where are they going to fit My Netscape, > > Shopping and the like? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jerry Baker > > Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general > > To: mozilla-general@mozilla.org > > Date: Friday, March 17, 2000 9:53 PM > > Subject: Re: > > ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/nightly/latest/mozilla-win32-nb1b.zip > > > > >Stephen Donner wrote: > > >> > > >> is this the first pre-beta build of the commercial Netscape release??? > > >> > > >> :-) > > > > > >I don't think so. The user agent lacks the Netscpe commercial > > >identifiers. Plus I have heard some of the developers say various things > > >in bug reports and in here that leads me to believe that Netscape will > > >not have the Mozilla skin. > > > > > >-- > > >Jerry Baker > > > > > >PGP Mail Preferred > > >Key: http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x09DE91C6 > > > > > > From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:38 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!gateway From: rivest@ntl.sympatico.ca (gilles r rivest) Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: RE; auto-disconnect ????????/ Date: 18 Mar 2000 18:33:51 GMT Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 7 Message-ID: <38D3CC0E.6422C263@ntl.sympatico.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-207-200-73-41.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: mozilla-general@mozilla.org Hello..I was wondering if you ever did get an answer about this problem of disconnecting after 5 minutes I have looked in the help file from netscape and did not find anything till i ran across your letter I too would like to get rid of this annoying problem any help you can give me would be appreciated thanks in advance GRRivest From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:38 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: "Bradley Robinson" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Javascript error notification... Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 13:44:08 -0500 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 107 Message-ID: <8b0ija$hvt1@secnews.netscape.com> References: <38D3B15A.27B3532F@io.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dial112x25.gcnet.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01BF90E0.09166580" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01BF90E0.09166580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I can't imagine them leaving it like that :) "Bob Crawford" wrote in message = news:38D3B15A.27B3532F@io.com... Where is it?=20 There was an earlier thread complaining about the wording in this = dialog...=20 In subsequent builds, javascript errors are completely silent=20 I can find no preference to turn javascript error notification on = (rude wording and all...)=20 What happened?=20 By the way, in looking through prefs.js I found the following:=20 user_pref("browser.show_about_as_stupid_modal_window", true);=20 =20 Not only does typing "about:" not result in a modal dialog, but this = pref badly needs to be renamed.=20 I wonder if there are other prefs with names like=20 "somepref.only_idiots_do_this,true"=20 "somepref.goddam_mac_weenies,true"=20 "somepref.I_hate_billgates,true" Such comments are out of place and out of line.=20 If you're going to express yourself do it BY the code you write, not = IN the code you write.=20 If you ever find yourself coding a function you despise to the point = of putting snide comments in the code, perhaps that code should be = handed off to somone else, since you're obviously not the right person = to implement said function.=20 =20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01BF90E0.09166580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I can't imagine them leaving it like that :)
"Bob Crawford" <crawdad@w3cdom.com> wrote in = message=20 news:38D3B15A.27B3532F@io.com.= ..
Where=20 is it?
There was an earlier thread complaining about the wording = in this=20 dialog...
In subsequent builds, javascript errors are completely = silent=20
I can find no preference to turn javascript error notification on = (rude=20 wording and all...)
What happened?=20

By the way, in looking through prefs.js I found the following: =
user_pref("browser.show_about_as_stupid_modal_window", = true);
 =20

Not only does typing "about:" = not result=20 in a modal dialog, but this pref badly needs to be renamed. =
I=20 wonder if there are other prefs with names like=20

"somepref.only_idiots_do_this,true"=20
"somepref.goddam_mac_weenies,true"=20 =
"somepref.I_hate_billgates,true"


Such comments are out of place and out of line.
If you're = going to=20 express yourself do it BY the code you write, not IN the code you = write.=20

If you ever find yourself coding a function you despise to the = point of=20 putting snide comments in the code, perhaps that code should be handed = off to=20 somone else, since you're obviously not the right person to implement = said=20 function.
 
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0019_01BF90E0.09166580-- From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:38 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: John Bandhauer Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Javascript error notification... Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 11:35:14 -0800 Organization: minions of mozilla Lines: 75 Message-ID: <38D3DA72.732AAA17@netscape.com> References: <38D3B15A.27B3532F@io.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-205-217-243-23.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: Bob Crawford Bob Crawford wrote: > > Where is it? > There was an earlier thread complaining about the wording in > this dialog... > In subsequent builds, javascript errors are completely silent > I can find no preference to turn javascript error notification > on (rude wording and all...) > What happened? > > By the way, in looking through prefs.js I found the following: > user_pref("browser.show_about_as_stupid_modal_window", true); > > > Not only does typing "about:" not result in a modal dialog, but > this pref badly needs to be renamed. > I wonder if there are other prefs with names like > > "somepref.only_idiots_do_this,true" > > "somepref.goddam_mac_weenies,true" > > "somepref.I_hate_billgates,true" > > Such comments are out of place and out of line. > If you're going to express yourself do it BY the code you > write, not IN the code you write. > > If you ever find yourself coding a function you despise to the > point of putting snide comments in the code, perhaps that code > should be handed off to somone else, since you're obviously not > the right person to implement said function. I'm not sure why you felt the need to turn your question into a lecture on coding style. But that's fine. I did some digging and I'll try to answer your questions... Typing "about" in the location bar causes the current window to show the 'about' page, period. Choosing "Help::About Mozilla" from the main menu causes a new window to open showing the 'about' page. The access to the pref to decide how to do this new window is at... http://lxr.mozilla.org/seamonkey/source/xpfe/global/resources/content/globalOverlay.js#160 You might ask ben@netscape.com why he chose that name for the pref. Perhaps it was not a value judgment but instead a statement of fact give that the modal dialog does not actually display the 'about' text. On to the JS error reporting... The only reason to add an old style modal error reporter was that it was better than nothing. After some haggling two important points were made clear: 1) beta1 (on windows at least) supports starting the browser with '-console' so people who want to see the error info have a way to see it (along with other fun stuff) in a DOS console window, and 2) popping up a dialog in the user's face sends the message to the wrong people; all the viewers of the page not just the authors. The decision to not force the JS error dialog on all page viewers is an example of learning from History. You can enable the modal error dialog by adding the following to your prefs.js: user_pref("javascript.error.alerts", true); mccabe@netscape.com has promised to write some text for inclusion in the release notes. He is also busily working on a *real* JS console. I believe that part of the goal is to include an unobtrusive but visible icon in the status bar to indicate when JS errors occur. Clicking on the icon will show the error console. John. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:38 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Bob Crawford Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Javascript error notification... Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 14:05:16 -0600 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 49 Message-ID: <38D3E17B.181E941D@io.com> References: <38D3B15A.27B3532F@io.com> <38D3DA72.732AAA17@netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cs9351-169.austin.rr.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf John Bandhauer wrote: > I'm not sure why you felt the need to turn your question into a > lecture on coding style. Umm... I'm a butthead? I dunno. Sorry. > On to the JS error reporting... > > The only reason to add an old style modal error reporter was that > it was better than nothing. After some haggling two important > points were made clear: 1) beta1 (on windows at least) supports > starting the browser with '-console' so people who want to see > the error info have a way to see it (along with other fun stuff) > in a DOS console window, and Pre-release, "-console" is perfectly acceptable (I didn't know it was still available) > 2) popping up a dialog in the user's face sends the message to the wrong people; all the > viewers of > the page not just the authors. Tho "old" way, listing error message in the status-bar combines usefulness and unobtrusiveness > You can enable the modal error dialog by adding the following to > your prefs.js: > > user_pref("javascript.error.alerts", true); Thanks for the info!! Most useful!! > mccabe@netscape.com has promised to write some text for inclusion > in the release notes. He is also busily working on a *real* JS > console. Eagerly awaiting it!! > I believe that part of the goal is to include an > unobtrusive but visible icon in the status bar to indicate when > JS errors occur. Clicking on the icon will show the error > console. That sounds great! Thanx for the info. > John. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:38 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: steveeq1@earthlink.net Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: How do you load Mozilla in KDE? Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 21:41:55 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 24 Message-ID: <8b0t71$d5u$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.191.92.151 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Mar 18 21:41:55 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.10 i686) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x29.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.191.92.151 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDsteveeq1 How the heck do you load Mozilla from an icon in KDE? I got the latest beta, but I can only seem to do it from teh command prompt. . . and that is only after I type: cd /usr/local/bin/mozilla/package/ ./mozilla I can't seem to do it from ALT-F2 either. Anyone ever figure out how to do this? I am relatively knew to KDE (but learning more everyday, it is my primary operating system now). Any help would be appreciated. - Steve -- -------------------------------------- If you want to send me an email, send it to: steve{at_sign}tripperjones{dot_com} Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:38 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Stephen Bowen Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/nightly/latest/mozilla-win32-nb1b.zip Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 22:45:01 +0100 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 54 Message-ID: <38D3F8DD.AA3574F4@netscape.net> References: <000401bf90ea$ec7809a0$a841fea9@mozilla> <38D36A3D.9A850F93@gmx.net> <38D3B65E.60E08F@StarTrekMail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: N698P014.dipool.highway.telekom.at Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Here is an info page and a ask for testers http://www.mozillazine.org/articles/article1247.html Their talking Nestcape Beta there. steve Robert Kaiser wrote: > and what about http://www.mozilla.org/projects/ui/netscape ??? > > Thomas schrieb: > > > CNet says Netscape 6 looks like 4.7....but we all know CNet > > > > Stephen Donner wrote: > > > > > You're right, I checked the build, it's not, it's just a way of tagging the > > > build (probably QA does this?). > > > > > > As far as the default Netscape skin goes, I guess I wasn't paying attention, > > > I am under the impression that since Netscape changed their homepage to > > > reflect the mouseover JavaScript buttons, that the skin would be the > > > Netscape skin. But then again, where are they going to fit My Netscape, > > > Shopping and the like? > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Jerry Baker > > > Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general > > > To: mozilla-general@mozilla.org > > > Date: Friday, March 17, 2000 9:53 PM > > > Subject: Re: > > > ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/nightly/latest/mozilla-win32-nb1b.zip > > > > > > >Stephen Donner wrote: > > > >> > > > >> is this the first pre-beta build of the commercial Netscape release??? > > > >> > > > >> :-) > > > > > > > >I don't think so. The user agent lacks the Netscpe commercial > > > >identifiers. Plus I have heard some of the developers say various things > > > >in bug reports and in here that leads me to believe that Netscape will > > > >not have the Mozilla skin. > > > > > > > >-- > > > >Jerry Baker > > > > > > > >PGP Mail Preferred > > > >Key: http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x09DE91C6 > > > > > > > > From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:38 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!gateway From: mWare@Ottawa.com (Mike Geiger) Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: [Wish] Javascript error notification... Date: 18 Mar 2000 23:28:21 GMT Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 14 Message-ID: <38D41115.D71370EB@Ottawa.com> References: <38D3B15A.27B3532F@io.com> <38D3DA72.732AAA17@netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-207-200-73-41.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit CC: mozilla-general@mozilla.org What would be nice is a "stay on top" mode for the JS console because that way with maximized windows (and leaving DualHead on my G400 off) you can see the errors in (near)realtime. myke > mccabe@netscape.com has promised to write some text for inclusion > in the release notes. He is also busily working on a *real* JS > console. I believe that part of the goal is to include an > unobtrusive but visible icon in the status bar to indicate when > JS errors occur. Clicking on the icon will show the error > console. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:38 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Bob Crawford Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Block Image From Loading... How to UNblock?? Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 17:31:23 -0600 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 8 Message-ID: <38D411CB.AABDD794@io.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cs9351-169.austin.rr.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf This is a very neat feature, with 2pla problems. 1- No OBVIOUS way to reactivate an image 2- Context-sensitivity is wrong...the option appears regardless of wether the clicked object is an image. very cool feature, tho! From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:38 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Lemming Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: ISO "cheat sheet" for skins & address book... Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 00:01:50 +0000 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 21 Message-ID: <38D418EE.69C5E3D6@lemnet.com> References: <38CFEA0C.8F26E520@capu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: usr562-haw.cableinet.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en Harry Krause wrote: > I'd love to try some skins for mozilla. > > Where are they? > > How are they installed? > > Also, I cannot seem to import my address book from Netscape 4.72 into > Mozilla, even though I am following the "import" screen in the program. > > Who has some cheat sheets? http://www.mozillazine.org/chromezone/ Thanks, Lemming, LemNet Manager http://www.lemnet.com/ From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:38 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Ger-Bil Jinn Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Block Image From Loading... How to UNblock?? Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 17:45:07 -0800 Organization: Gerbil-Box Lines: 20 Message-ID: <38D43123.8ABC5684@ucdavis.edu> References: <38D411CB.AABDD794@io.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d29-111.segubxgl.ucdavis.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en I'll also add another minor problem: Everyone is used to "Open in New Window" being the first item on context menu, so for several days I've had blindly been clicking on "Block Image from Loading" when I wanted "Open New Window" and nearly filed a bug report reporting that "Open New Window" was broken again before I realized. Then again, I could get used to this 8P <:3)~~ Bob Crawford wrote: > > This is a very neat feature, with 2pla problems. > 1- No OBVIOUS way to reactivate an image > 2- Context-sensitivity is wrong...the option appears regardless of > wether the clicked object is an image. > > very cool feature, tho! From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:38 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Bob Crawford Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Block Image From Loading... How to UNblock?? Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 19:55:45 -0600 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 21 Message-ID: <38D433A0.6BD711B7@io.com> References: <38D411CB.AABDD794@io.com> <38D43123.8ABC5684@ucdavis.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: cs9351-169.austin.rr.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Ger-Bil Jinn wrote: > I'll also add another minor problem: > > Everyone is used to "Open in New Window" being the first > item on context menu, so for several days I've had blindly > been clicking on "Block Image from Loading" when I wanted > "Open New Window" and nearly filed a bug report reporting > that "Open New Window" was broken again before I realized. Right! The option should be little lower in the list... > Bob Crawford wrote: > > > > This is a very neat feature, with 2pla problems. > > 1- No OBVIOUS way to reactivate an image > > 2- Context-sensitivity is wrong...the option appears regardless of > > wether the clicked object is an image. > > > > very cool feature, tho! From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:38 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Bob Crawford Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Block Image From Loading... How to UNblock?? Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 22:45:39 -0600 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 84 Message-ID: <38D45B73.A7AABAD0@io.com> References: <38D411CB.AABDD794@io.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cs9351-169.austin.rr.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------6029946872EE0228B828B2EE" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf --------------6029946872EE0228B828B2EE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is it considered rude to answer your own questions in public? Anyway, Bob Crawford wrote: > This is a very neat feature, with 2pla problems. From snooping in nsContextMenu.js, it appears that there is a pref called "imageblocker.enabled" which can be used to turn this feature on and off. I don't see such an entry in prefs.js or lipref.js... Presumably, such an entry could be added to the file to disable this if desired. > 1- No OBVIOUS way to reactivate an image Blocks can be removed in the Tasks/PersonalMgrs/Cookiemanager, on the Blocked Images tab. > 2- Context-sensitivity is wrong...the option appears regardless of > wether the clicked object is an image. This setting does not block an image from loading. It blocks the ENTIRE DOMAIN from loading images. WOW! A smackdown that harsh should be a little harder to get to... It'd be nice it the blast were a little more focused ;^) It would be nice if the un-block were more easily available... I'd really like to see a check next to the context-menu-item. The list-handling in the blocked-images manager is off, too... If have more than one block in the list, and delete them all, it manages to hold on to one entry. Close the notebook and reopen the cookie manager... Delete the now-visible extra-sticky block, and be about your way. This is a really neat new feature. I hope the owner tweaks it a bit further and moves it down in the context-menu. > very cool feature, tho! --------------6029946872EE0228B828B2EE Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is it considered rude to answer your own questions in public? Anyway,
Bob Crawford wrote:
This is a very neat feature, with 2pla problems.
    From snooping in nsContextMenu.js, it appears that there is a pref called "imageblocker.enabled" which can be used to turn this feature on and off. I don't see such an entry in prefs.js or lipref.js...
    Presumably, such an entry could be added to the file to disable this if desired.
1- No OBVIOUS way to reactivate an image
Blocks can be removed in the Tasks/PersonalMgrs/Cookiemanager,
on the Blocked Images tab.
2- Context-sensitivity is wrong...the option appears regardless of
wether the clicked object is an image.
    This setting does not block an image from loading.
    It blocks the ENTIRE DOMAIN from loading images. WOW! A smackdown that harsh should be a little harder to get to...
    It'd be nice it the blast were a little more focused ;^)
    It would be nice if the un-block were more easily available... I'd really like to see a check next to the context-menu-item.

    The list-handling in the blocked-images manager is off, too...
    If have more than one block in the list, and delete them all, it manages to hold on to one entry.
   Close the notebook and reopen the cookie manager...
   Delete the now-visible extra-sticky block, and be about your way.

    This is a really neat new feature. I hope the owner tweaks it a bit further and moves it down in the context-menu.

very cool feature, tho!
--------------6029946872EE0228B828B2EE-- From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:38 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: sparrow@islandnet.com (P. Sparrow) Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Netscape locking up on load Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 16:58:26 GMT Organization: "Islandnet.com" Lines: 6 Message-ID: <38d506ca.35456188@news> NNTP-Posting-Host: news.islandnet.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 X-Posting-IP: 139.142.113.172 After a power outage I rebooted machine and went to run Net 4.7 and now it locks upon loading. I have it set to open both mail and browser and it seems to be freezing on the browswer portion although the complete suite is frozen. What files should I be looking at repairing? From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:38 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Jay Garcia Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Netscape locking up on load Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 12:35:12 -0600 Organization: http://www.GatewayNO.com Lines: 43 Message-ID: <38D51DE0.1040908@JayGarcia.com> References: <002001bf928f$120bb900$dfa1fea9@mozilla> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.84.132.208 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; N; Win98; en-US; m14) X-Accept-Language: en Stephen Donner wrote: > This is a developer newsgroups for the Mozilla browser only. Please either > download a copy at http://www.mozilla.org or visit http://www.ufaq.org for > your Netscape client. > > Thanks > > -----Original Message----- > From: P. Sparrow > Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general > To: mozilla-general@mozilla.org > Date: Sunday, March 19, 2000 12:07 PM > Subject: Netscape locking up on load > > > >After a power outage I rebooted machine and went to run Net 4.7 and > >now it locks upon loading. I have it set to open both mail and > >browser and it seems to be freezing on the browswer portion although > >the complete suite is frozen. > > > >What files should I be looking at repairing? > > > > > > Thanks for mentioning the UFAQ Stephen. You can also mention our Communicator Groups as well, as folks that are being redirected there from the n.p.m.* groups are getting immediate attention. snews://secnews.netscape.com/netscape.communicator .macintosh, .unix, .navigator Thanks Jay Garcia Netscape Champion Keeper of the Netscape UFAQ -- *** Posted With Mozilla 5.0 - Build 31815 *** From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:38 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ70!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: John Weirich Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: minimum hardware requirements? Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 15:03:35 -0800 Organization: none Lines: 11 Message-ID: <38D55CC7.44C9EF35@nothingbutnet.net> Reply-To: letron@nothingbutnet.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, My dad has an old presario computer with a 133 mhz 486 PCU and a 2 gig HD. Can he use the latest browser v. 4.72 with this hardware setup? -thanks, jw -- stay fun. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:38 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Jay Garcia Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: minimum hardware requirements? Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 17:28:42 -0600 Organization: http://www.GatewayNO.com Lines: 28 Message-ID: <38D562AA.F25C18D3@JayGarcia.com> References: <38D55CC7.44C9EF35@nothingbutnet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.84.132.208 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en John Weirich wrote: > > Hi, > > My dad has an old presario computer with a 133 mhz 486 PCU and a 2 gig > HD. Can he use the latest browser v. 4.72 with this hardware setup? > > -thanks, jw > > -- > stay fun. Yes he can. And if you have more questions please direct them to: snews://secnews.netscape.com/netscape.communicator The n.p.mozilla groups are for use by developers of the new Mozilla Project. 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Please, type "REMOVE" in the subject line: brianf@excite.ca ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:38 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!unlisys!news.snafu.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: sitsofe@my-deja.com Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Is Bugzilla dead? Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 10:10:46 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 7 Message-ID: <8b4tf0$271$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 137.44.1.200 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Mar 20 10:10:46 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows NT) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 tmpcache.swan.ac.uk:3128 (Squid/2.2.STABLE5), 1.0 x24.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 137.44.155.49, 137.44.1.200 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDsitsofe Could someone tell me if bugzilla has died? I tried the url below and received an error message: http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26868 Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:38 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Andreas Otte Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Is Bugzilla dead? Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 12:38:20 +0100 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 14 Message-ID: <38D60DAB.D99A2FB@team-pb.de> References: <8b4tf0$271$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.185.52.66 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en Same here, database seems to be dead meat ... Andreas sitsofe@my-deja.com wrote: > Could someone tell me if bugzilla has died? I tried the url below and > received an error message: > http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26868 > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:38 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: cory neff Newsgroups: linux.redhat.misc,comp.infosystems.www.browsers.misc,comp.lang.java.softwaretools,comp.infosystems.www.browsers.xnetscape.public.mozilla.qa.general,netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.general Subject: Re: The Death of Netscape Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:58:11 -0600 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 25 Message-ID: <38D63C82.98ED6B07@netscape.com> References: <7cqav9$k4b$1@news.xmission.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.170.40.116 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.general:17301 netscape.public.general:22510 Well it looks like you shouldn't even be using a computer. Try an TI machine.. Astro Monk wrote: > Does anyone know of a decent browser that I can > use on multiple platforms and expect it to work the > same? Do not even mention Netscape or any Microsoft > product. I do not know how Netscape can release such > a buggy product. I hate Microsoft but I hope they > blast Netscape into oblivion out of existence. > > I have had it with Netscape. It has crashed for the last > time (Linux, Solaris, NT) all ports suck. > > I have used Netscape extensively since the beginning of time > but have lost my patience with this piece of crap infecting > my system. It consistently hangs on my RedHat system > at work and home (5.1 and 5.2) I don't do windows so is there > anything else out there that is reliable on Linux/UNIX? > I would prefer a place that I can get binaries for RedHat, > Solaris x86, Solaris Sparc etc. > > am From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:38 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!unlisys!news.snafu.de!news0.de.colt.net!colt.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.skycache.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!gip.net.MISMATCH!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!feeder.qis.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: "Greg Menke" Newsgroups: linux.redhat.misc,comp.infosystems.www.browsers.misc,comp.lang.java.softwaretools,comp.infosystems.www.browsers.xnetscape.public.mozilla.qa.general,netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.general Subject: Re: The Death of Netscape Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 11:09:48 -0500 Lines: 35 Message-ID: <8b5in0$74t$1@bob.news.rcn.net> References: <7cqav9$k4b$1@news.xmission.com> <38D63C82.98ED6B07@netscape.com> X-Trace: 8LcBJD7WEbfMbZVzsy8ACBycsGTqdNrysOxy67Nia8YFyxBUcE5i2Q== X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Mar 2000 16:13:20 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.general:17302 netscape.public.general:22513 Or just turn off Java. Gregm cory neff wrote in message news:38D63C82.98ED6B07@netscape.com... > Well it looks like you shouldn't even be using a computer. > Try an TI machine.. > > Astro Monk wrote: > > > Does anyone know of a decent browser that I can > > use on multiple platforms and expect it to work the > > same? Do not even mention Netscape or any Microsoft > > product. I do not know how Netscape can release such > > a buggy product. I hate Microsoft but I hope they > > blast Netscape into oblivion out of existence. > > > > I have had it with Netscape. It has crashed for the last > > time (Linux, Solaris, NT) all ports suck. > > > > I have used Netscape extensively since the beginning of time > > but have lost my patience with this piece of crap infecting > > my system. It consistently hangs on my RedHat system > > at work and home (5.1 and 5.2) I don't do windows so is there > > anything else out there that is reliable on Linux/UNIX? > > I would prefer a place that I can get binaries for RedHat, > > Solaris x86, Solaris Sparc etc. > > > > am > From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:38 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ70!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: John Weirich Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: misc Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:21:14 -0800 Organization: none Lines: 5 Message-ID: <38D64FFA.B63EB307@nothingbutnet.net> References: <38D55CC7.44C9EF35@nothingbutnet.net> <38D562AA.F25C18D3@JayGarcia.com> Reply-To: letron@nothingbutnet.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > The n.p.mozilla groups are for use by developers of the new Mozilla > Project. Sorry I didn't know. --jw From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:38 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Scott I. Remick Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Crypto in nightlies? Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 11:52:28 -0500 Organization: Computer Alternatives, Inc. Lines: 10 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: scott.computeralt.com X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.20 Just checking in... do any of the nightlies contain crypto yet? This would include the Netscape nb1b builds. I'm still running M14. Thanks ----------------------- Scott I. Remick scott@computeralt.com Network and Information (802)388-7545 ext. 236 Systems Manager FAX:(802)388-3697 Computer Alternatives, Inc. http://www.computeralt.com From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:38 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Balram Ramanathan Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Netscape Communicator 6 Beta? Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 22:53:24 +0530 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 8 Message-ID: <38D65E8C.A8C6BF39@yahoo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.197.205.224 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Looks like there's light at the end of the tunnel at last. Have a look at: http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-1576572.html?tag=st.ne.1002.thed.1005-200-1576572 Hopefully this should bring a lot more traffic to mozilla.org and these newsgroups. :Balram From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:38 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Lemming Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Crypto in nightlies? Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 17:44:25 +0000 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 16 Message-ID: <38D66379.DD79A50E@lemnet.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: usr379-haw.cableinet.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en "Scott I. Remick" wrote: > Just checking in... do any of the nightlies contain crypto yet? This > would include the Netscape nb1b builds. I'm still running M14. > > Thanks I think they do, when combined with the Netscape crypto binaries of course. Thanks, Lemming, LemNet Manager http://www.lemnet.com/ From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:38 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 From: "Diehard Duck" Newsgroups: linux.redhat.misc,comp.lang.java.softwaretools,netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.general References: <7cqav9$k4b$1@news.xmission.com> <38D63C82.98ED6B07@netscape.com> <8b5in0$74t$1@bob.news.rcn.net> Subject: Re: The Death of Netscape Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 17:44:49 -0000 Lines: 44 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.93.134.213 Message-ID: <38d7c348_1@news.intensive.net> X-Trace: 21 Mar 2000 18:45:28 GMT, 194.93.134.213 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.skycache.com!news-hub.cableinet.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!insnet.net!peernews.cix.co.uk!news.madhousenet.co.uk!newspeer.gemsoft.net!news.intensive.net!194.93.134.213 Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.general:17307 netscape.public.general:22515 > Or just turn off Java. "You took the word right out of my mouth" - DD > > Gregm > > > cory neff wrote in message > news:38D63C82.98ED6B07@netscape.com... > > Well it looks like you shouldn't even be using a computer. > > Try an TI machine.. > > > > Astro Monk wrote: > > > > > Does anyone know of a decent browser that I can > > > use on multiple platforms and expect it to work the > > > same? Do not even mention Netscape or any Microsoft > > > product. I do not know how Netscape can release such > > > a buggy product. I hate Microsoft but I hope they > > > blast Netscape into oblivion out of existence. > > > > > > I have had it with Netscape. It has crashed for the last > > > time (Linux, Solaris, NT) all ports suck. > > > > > > I have used Netscape extensively since the beginning of time > > > but have lost my patience with this piece of crap infecting > > > my system. It consistently hangs on my RedHat system > > > at work and home (5.1 and 5.2) I don't do windows so is there > > > anything else out there that is reliable on Linux/UNIX? > > > I would prefer a place that I can get binaries for RedHat, > > > Solaris x86, Solaris Sparc etc. > > > > > > am > > > > From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:38 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!unlisys!news.snafu.de!diablo.theplanet.net!europa.netcrusader.net!204.71.34.3!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone.austin.rr.com!news.rr.com!news.austin.rr.com!cyclone.kc.rr.com!news.kc.rr.com!news-central.rr.com!typhoon2.kc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Frank" Newsgroups: alt.netscape.buggy-products,comp.infosystems.www.browsers.misc,netscape.public.general,netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Prediction AOL will drop Netscape within the year. Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:14:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.31.226.129 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon2.kc.rr.com 953576045 24.31.226.129 (Mon, 20 Mar 2000 12:14:05 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 12:14:05 CST Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.general:22518 netscape.public.mozilla.general:17308 For some time I've been trying to reconcile a few facts. AOL owns Netscape, the stewards of Mozilla. AOL claims that AOL-Mozilla integration is forthcoming. Mozilla is a horrible in every aspect but rendering which is just under par. Now consider the fact that AOL could devout unimaginable resources to developing mozilla and they don't. One can only come to the conclusion that AOL is going to spin off Netscape within the year. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:38 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!unlisys!news.snafu.de!diablo.theplanet.net!feeder.via.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: Chris Sears Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.mozilla.xul Subject: Action menu in XUL/Javascript - feedback please Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 11:01:52 -0800 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 1255 Message-ID: <38D6759F.CBE0638B@ix.netcom.com> References: <38CD8BE7.CBAC898E@ix.netcom.com> <38CFE9CF.8E4FC45F@citec.fi> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.6e.e8.b7 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------A445FAFF3ED029D3946508C6" X-Server-Date: 20 Mar 2000 18:59:46 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.13-7mdk i686) X-Accept-Language: en CC: Johnny Stenback , faith@dict.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------A445FAFF3ED029D3946508C6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm at an alpha point with a cool XUL tool I wrote. A user selects some text and then chooses from an Action menu an action to perform on the text. Possible actions are web search page search dictionary lookup address to map lookup language-to-language translation The menu is described in XUL. It calls an embedded Javascript handler which gets the selection, creates an encoded request url, and opens it. This all works now modulo some Mozilla bugs. I have to use static text in place of the results of getSelection but other than that it is demonstrable. I'm attaching the files if you want to test it: chrome/navigator/content/default action.js navigator.xul navigatorOverlay.xul Select some text. Hit Action->Translate->English to French thanks, Chris Sears cbsears@ix.netcom.com --------------A445FAFF3ED029D3946508C6 Content-Type: application/x-javascript; name="action.js" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="action.js" /* -*- Mode: Java; tab-width: 4; indent-tabs-mode: nil; c-basic-offset: 2 -*- * * The contents of this file are subject to the Netscape Public * License Version 1.1 (the "License"); you may not use this file * except in compliance with the License. You may obtain a copy of * the License at http://www.mozilla.org/NPL/ * * Software distributed under the License is distributed on an "AS * IS" basis, WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, either express or * implied. See the License for the specific language governing * rights and limitations under the License. * * Contributor: Chris Sears * * Action - perform a JavaScript action on a text selection * * TODO: * getSelection - M15? * localization * preferences * custom scripted action * appending actions (just like bookmarks) */ function actionGoTo() { var ds = window.content.document.getSelection(); ds = "google"; appCore.loadUrl(escape(ds)); } function actionEMailTo() { var ds = window.content.document.getSelection(); ds = "cbsears@ix.netcom.com"; appCore.loadUrl(escape("mailto:" + ds)); } function actionGetMap() { var ds = window.content.document.getSelection(); var line1 = "1530 Dolores"; var line2 = "San Francisco, CA"; openNewWindowWith( "http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap&addr=" + escape(line1) + "&csz=" + escape(line2) + "&Get%A0Map=Get+Map"); } function actionFindPrevious() { var ds = window.content.document.getSelection(); } function actionFindNext() { var ds = window.content.document.getSelection(); } function actionWebSearch() { var ds = window.content.document.getSelection(); ds = "mathematics"; ds = "http://www.google.com/search?q=" + ds; appCore.loadUrl(escape(ds)); } function actionDictionarySearch() { var ds = window.content.document.getSelection(); ds = "shortcake"; openNewWindowWith(escape(ds)); } function actionCustom() { } function actionTranslate(translate) { var ds = window.content.document.getSelection(); ds = "mathematics"; openNewWindowWith( "http://babel.altavista.com/translate.dyn?urltext=" + escape(ds) + "&lp=" + translate + "&doit=done"); } function actionEnglishFrench() { actionTranslate("en_fr"); } function actionEnglishGerman() { actionTranslate("en_de"); } function actionEnglishItalian() { actionTranslate("en_it"); } function actionEnglishPortuguese() { actionTranslate("en_pt"); } function actionEnglishSpanish() { actionTranslate("en_es"); } function actionFrenchEnglish() { actionTranslate("fr_en"); } function actionGermanEnglish() { actionTranslate("de_en"); } function actionItalianEnglish() { actionTranslate("it_en"); } function actionPortugueseEnglish() { actionTranslate("pt_en"); } function actionSpanishEnglish() { actionTranslate("es_en"); } --------------A445FAFF3ED029D3946508C6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="navigator.xul" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="navigator.xul" style="border: thin solid black;"> // Global variable that holds the nsContextMenu instance. var contextMenu = null; var gBookmarkPopup = null; --------------A445FAFF3ED029D3946508C6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="navigatorOverlay.xul" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="navigatorOverlay.xul" // Menu for testing. --------------A445FAFF3ED029D3946508C6-- From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:39 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Jerry Baker Newsgroups: netscape.public.general,netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: (Score:0, troll) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 11:04:27 -0800 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 1 Message-ID: <38D6763B.77F8BE85@weirdness.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lsanca1-ar3-147-141.dsl.gtei.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.71 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.general:22524 netscape.public.mozilla.general:17311 From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:39 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 From: Lindsay Hill Newsgroups: linux.redhat.misc,comp.lang.java.softwaretools,netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.general Subject: Re: The Death of Netscape Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 12:40:44 +1200 Organization: University of Auckland Lines: 47 Message-ID: <38D6C50C.17D2810C@student.auckland.ac.nz> References: <7cqav9$k4b$1@news.xmission.com> <38D63C82.98ED6B07@netscape.com> <8b5in0$74t$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <38d7c348_1@news.intensive.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ele478cp.ele.auckland.ac.nz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: scream.auckland.ac.nz 953599244 26177 130.216.217.78 (21 Mar 2000 00:40:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@auckland.ac.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Mar 2000 00:40:44 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.13 i686) X-Accept-Language: en Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!usenet.net.nz!news.iprolink.co.nz!auckland.ac.nz!not-for-mail Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.general:17316 netscape.public.general:22550 I agree. We use netscape 4.7 here at uni, and as soon as it hits a page with Java, it crashes. Javascript doesn't seem to be so much of a problem though Diehard Duck wrote: > > Or just turn off Java. > > "You took the word right out of my mouth" > > - DD > > > > > Gregm > > > > > > cory neff wrote in message > > news:38D63C82.98ED6B07@netscape.com... > > > Well it looks like you shouldn't even be using a computer. > > > Try an TI machine.. > > > > > > Astro Monk wrote: > > > > > > > Does anyone know of a decent browser that I can > > > > use on multiple platforms and expect it to work the > > > > same? Do not even mention Netscape or any Microsoft > > > > product. I do not know how Netscape can release such > > > > a buggy product. I hate Microsoft but I hope they > > > > blast Netscape into oblivion out of existence. > > > > > > > > I have had it with Netscape. It has crashed for the last > > > > time (Linux, Solaris, NT) all ports suck. > > > > > > > > I have used Netscape extensively since the beginning of time > > > > but have lost my patience with this piece of crap infecting > > > > my system. It consistently hangs on my RedHat system > > > > at work and home (5.1 and 5.2) I don't do windows so is there > > > > anything else out there that is reliable on Linux/UNIX? > > > > I would prefer a place that I can get binaries for RedHat, > > > > Solaris x86, Solaris Sparc etc. > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:39 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!gateway From: joebyk@flashpoint.com (Joe Byk) Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: license questions Date: 21 Mar 2000 00:41:52 GMT Organization: FlashPoint Technology, Inc. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <38D6C54F.A75217DC@flashpoint.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-207-200-73-41.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: "mozilla-general@mozilla.org" Hello Do the NPL or MozPL allow our company to port some portion of the source code - the HTML engine - to our software which in turn we use or provide to our 3rd party developers for use in the creation of apps for sale? If we modify the code and include it with our own is it only the modification and not the larger work which must be made public? Can we compile the source code and ship it license free with our software? From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:39 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Daniel Veditz Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.mozilla.license Subject: Re: license questions Followup-To: netscape.public.mozilla.license Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 17:04:28 -0800 Organization: Speaking only for myself Lines: 29 Message-ID: <38D6CA9C.F9E288B@netscape.com> References: <38D6C54F.A75217DC@flashpoint.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-205-217-240-36.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.general:17315 netscape.public.mozilla.license:1755 Joe Byk wrote: > > Hello > Do the NPL or MozPL allow our company to port some portion of the source > code - the HTML engine - to our software which in turn we use or > provide to our 3rd party developers for use in the creation of apps for > sale? > > If we modify the code and include it with our own is it only the > modification and not the larger work which must be made public? The n.p.m.license newsgroup is more appropriate for this thread -- setting followups there. One of the goals of the Mozilla Public License was to be compatible with commercial products so you should be able to sell a larger work based on Mozilla code. You do, however, have to obey the terms of the license. > Can we compile the source code and ship it license free with our > software? I don't understand "license free". The license spells out the requirements for redistribution of binaries based on covered source code. Could you get more specific? There is also a FAQ on license issues linked under http://www.mozilla.org/MPL/ -Dan Veditz From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:39 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Patrick Sung Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Win32 Memory consumption. Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 20:45:56 -0500 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 33 Message-ID: <38D6D454.438623EF@REMOVEualberta.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: fw2.torolab.ibm.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Hi all, Mozilla is in good shape now. It's fast, and it's great!! Good job guys! Ok, enough of ranting.... I would just like to point out though, Mozilla running on a Win32 machine (current I am on a NT box) consume quite an amount of memory. (I am using the daily installer build) Here are some stats: I have two Mozilla windows opened. The mem usage is this: 24856K and VM size is 26040K (All are optained from WinNT's Task Manager. It's on the first by sorting in "MemUsage". On the other hand I ran Netscape 4.72 as well, with 5 windows opened with extra stuff like the newsgroup and composer view that I am currently using. The total mem usage is: MemUsage: 23432K VM Size: 19464K before I open the newsgroup window and composer window, it's about 19xxxK for MemUsage... but it's ranked second anyway. Did anyone have talked about this before? Is it because all of the DLL modules are loaded? I am kind of surprised to see Mozilla is the largest consumer on my system (right now I mean) consider the binary code is only about 9-10MB. Regards, Patrick From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:39 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Robert Kaiser Newsgroups: linux.redhat.misc,comp.lang.java.softwaretools,netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.general Subject: Re: The Death of Netscape Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 03:06:54 +0100 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 11 Message-ID: <38D6D93E.F8139584@StarTrekMail.com> References: <7cqav9$k4b$1@news.xmission.com> <38D63C82.98ED6B07@netscape.com> <8b5in0$74t$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <38d7c348_1@news.intensive.net> <38D6C50C.17D2810C@student.auckland.ac.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: robert.hirsch.sth.ac.at Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [de] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: de-AT,de,en-US,en,it Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.general:17318 netscape.public.general:22556 Hey, if you need a cross-platform, good-working browser - you'll get it! But all good needs time... so this one, MOZILLA 5.0 (which will be the base of Netscape 6.0), is a open source cross-platformstandards compliant skinnable (...) browser (or web machine) software - but it's "only" getting to beta 1 in the next weeks. Neverthelles, current trial versions at www.mozilla.org are getting better and better, it's worth a try... Robert Kaiser From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:39 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Robert O'Callahan Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Win32 Memory consumption. Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 22:13:52 -0500 Organization: Carnegie Mellon University Lines: 17 Message-ID: <38D6E8F0.4315EADF@cs.cmu.edu> References: <38D6D454.438623EF@REMOVEualberta.ca> Reply-To: roc+@cs.cmu.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: MAJESTY.FAC.CS.CMU.EDU Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en Patrick Sung wrote: > Did anyone have talked about this before? Is it because all of the DLL > modules are loaded? I am kind of surprised to see Mozilla is the > largest consumer on my system (right now I mean) consider the binary > code is only about 9-10MB. There are a lot of memory leaks in Mozilla at the moment. In other words, it will keep growing over time until you quit. If you just start it up and then immediately check its memory usage, it should not look too bad. Rob -- [Robert O'Callahan http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~roc 6th year CMU CS PhD student "I have seen the burden God has laid on men. He has made everything beautiful in its time. He has also set eternity in the hearts of men; yet they cannot fathom what God has done from beginning to end." --- Ecclesiastes 3:10-11] From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:39 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!news.sgi.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-out.uswest.net!news.uswest.net.POSTED!toledo.uswest.net!nitebirdz Newsgroups: linux.redhat.misc,comp.infosystems.www.browsers.misc,comp.lang.java.softwaretools,comp.infosystems.www.browsers.xnetscape.public.mozilla.qa.general,netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.general From: Nitebirdz Subject: Re: The Death of Netscape In-Reply-To: <8b5in0$74t$1@bob.news.rcn.net> Message-ID: References: <7cqav9$k4b$1@news.xmission.com> <38D63C82.98ED6B07@netscape.com> <8b5in0$74t$1@bob.news.rcn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 55 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 22:29:15 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.181.254.102 X-Trace: news.uswest.net 953613049 209.181.254.102 (Mon, 20 Mar 2000 22:30:49 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 22:30:49 CST Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.general:17320 netscape.public.general:22563 Other useful ideas: -- Close Netscape, and remove all files in the .netscape/cache directory, or perhaps write a script to do just that. -- Try Opera. I believe they just released a beta version for Linux. On Mon, 20 Mar 2000, Greg Menke wrote: > Or just turn off Java. > > Gregm > > > cory neff wrote in message > news:38D63C82.98ED6B07@netscape.com... > > Well it looks like you shouldn't even be using a computer. > > Try an TI machine.. > > > > Astro Monk wrote: > > > > > Does anyone know of a decent browser that I can > > > use on multiple platforms and expect it to work the > > > same? Do not even mention Netscape or any Microsoft > > > product. I do not know how Netscape can release such > > > a buggy product. I hate Microsoft but I hope they > > > blast Netscape into oblivion out of existence. > > > > > > I have had it with Netscape. It has crashed for the last > > > time (Linux, Solaris, NT) all ports suck. > > > > > > I have used Netscape extensively since the beginning of time > > > but have lost my patience with this piece of crap infecting > > > my system. It consistently hangs on my RedHat system > > > at work and home (5.1 and 5.2) I don't do windows so is there > > > anything else out there that is reliable on Linux/UNIX? > > > I would prefer a place that I can get binaries for RedHat, > > > Solaris x86, Solaris Sparc etc. > > > > > > am > > > > > > --------- Nitebirdz --------- It's not too late to turn back from the "Gates" of Hell... Linux: the free 32-bit operating system, available NOW. Why waaaaaait for NT? (Brandon S. Allbery) From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:39 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!cyclone-west.rr.com!news.rr.com|news-west.rr.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38D71C79.E6973E39@earthlink.net> From: Mark X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Default IE, NOT!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 12 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 06:52:25 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.31.113.84 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 953621545 38.31.113.84 (Mon, 20 Mar 2000 22:52:25 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 22:52:25 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Somehow, I set up IE as the default browser instead of Netscapte 4.7..after formatting and re-installing windows....HOW do I get rid of that IE , as default. I dont like it, dont want it to browse at all, but dont want to eliminate it entirely. I just want to have Netscape as my default (automatic) browser. Ive been messing with Netscape since a big ram was 12 mb.. but I sure need help on this.. please email me how to....if you know it.... badge300@federaldetective.com ......thanks.... From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:39 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!unlisys!news.snafu.de!fu-berlin.de!feed2.news.luth.se!news.luth.se!luth.se!not-for-mail From: Stefan Rystedt Newsgroups: linux.redhat.misc,comp.infosystems.www.browsers.misc,comp.lang.java.softwaretools,comp.infosystems.www.browsers.xnetscape.public.mozilla.qa.general,netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.general Subject: Re: The Death of Netscape Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 07:53:16 +0100 Organization: University of Lulea, Sweden Lines: 13 Message-ID: <38D71C5C.6EEA1E06@ludd.luth.se> References: <7cqav9$k4b$1@news.xmission.com> <38D63C82.98ED6B07@netscape.com> <8b5in0$74t$1@bob.news.rcn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.luth.se 953621540 24801 130.240.198.70 (21 Mar 2000 06:52:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@luth.se X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: sv, en Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.general:17322 netscape.public.general:22564 Nitebirdz wrote: > -- Try Opera. I believe they just released a beta version for Linux. Nop still only the second alpha version out there. But they say it will come out a new version really soon now. Hopefully this week and hopefully beta. -- /ryz Be nice to the flying pink elephants From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:39 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Ben Freedom Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Well 2000032011 is a change Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 00:36:33 +1100 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 3 Message-ID: <38D77AE1.9000401@satway.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin14.inverell.northnet.com.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; N; Win98; en-US; m14) X-Accept-Language: en Well i must say that this build is sure a lot more stable on my system than the original M14 build havent chrashed out of mail yet :) From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:39 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!secnews.netscape.com!secnews2.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Jay Garcia Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Default IE, NOT!! Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 08:56:27 -0600 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 28 Message-ID: <38D78D9B.4040303@null.any> References: <38D71C79.E6973E39@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.84.132.208 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; N; Win98; en-US; m14) X-Accept-Language: en Mark wrote: > Somehow, I set up IE as the default browser instead of Netscapte > 4.7..after > formatting and re-installing windows....HOW do I get rid of that IE , as > default. > I dont like it, dont want it to browse at all, but dont want to > eliminate it entirely. > I just want to have Netscape as my default (automatic) browser. > Ive been messing with Netscape since a big ram was 12 mb.. but I sure > need help on this.. please email me how to....if you know it.... > > badge300@federaldetective.com ......thanks.... > The n.p.m.* groups are developer groups for the Mozilla Project only. Please post your Communicator related questions to: snews://secnews.netscape.com/netscape.communicator Thanks Jay -- *** Posted With Mozilla 5.0 / Build 2000032011 *** From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:39 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ70!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: fire-eyes Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Performance still not sufficient Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:37:56 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 25 Message-ID: <38D7CF94.E2536A26@fire-eyes.yi.org> References: <38CA042D.928338FC@t-online.de> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.13 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thorsten Kaiser wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > first of all: I've noticed the progress Mozilla has made the last few weeks. > MTBF has greatly improved, congratulations for that! > But still... > Most of you will have machines with quite quick processors such als > Celerons 400 up to Athlons and PIIIs. > I´m one of the not so few (I guess) which have older, slower processor > speed, a pentium 133 in my case with W95 OSR2. > On this machine with 98 meg RAM mozilla is MUCH slower than 4.7. > Slower in a way that makes it close to being unusable. > UI responsiveness and window startup and change time are quite bad. > > Sorry, but you should be aware that there are still a lot of slower > machines out there. What is the benefit from a small footprint if > Mozilla is soooo slow... > > Thorsten I have to agree :( I am using a P200 with 80M RAM on slackware linux and it is sitting on the border of not being used. I look forward to performance increases :) From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:39 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Terry Sikes Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Java support in Mozilla and/or Communicator 6.0? Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 11:42:26 -0800 Organization: Surface Optics Corporation Lines: 13 Message-ID: <38D7D0A2.C7933820@surfaceoptics.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: adnline57-142.adnc.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12-20 i586) X-Accept-Language: en Is the intent to have good Java support in either of the first 'real' releases for these products? What about on the Linux platform? I understand that Java 2 will be bundled on forthcoming AOL CDs, will Mozilla/Communicator be there as well, even if not the as the default browser? Thanks, Terry -- tsikes@netcom.com From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:39 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ70!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: fire-eyes Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: KUDOS to Mozilla! One minor problem. Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:47:31 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 26 Message-ID: <38D7D1D3.44190E31@fire-eyes.yi.org> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.13 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am running slackware 7 kernel 2.2.13 on a P200 80M box. I just downloaded mozilla for the first time yesterday. It is M14. I love it! Kudos to you guys, this really is a great product. It runs pretty slow on this machine, but from reading other threads, it seems that is to be worked on soon. Good luck on this, we look forward to it. I only have one problem, and that is after making a directory called mozilla in my home directory, and tar xf the tarball, mozilla will only start up properly if i start up a terminal and manually cd mozilla/package and then run ./mozilla . If i try to run it from ~/ (or elsewhere) here is the result: $ mozilla/package/mozilla /run-mozilla.sh ./mozilla-bin mozilla/package/mozilla: /run-mozilla.sh: No such file or directory How can i solve this? [spank the newbie...] Keep up the fantastic work! ** EMAIL your response or I wont get it ** [EOF] From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:39 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Tony Habib Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: window resizing in M14 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 11:53:59 -0800 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 12 Message-ID: <38D7D357.C2C83CEB@rocketcash.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.172.70.115 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12-20 i686) X-Accept-Language: en Hello all, I just built M14 and I'm finding that when I resize the window the page that is being displayed is not resized along with it. Did I do something wrong when I built it? Any help would be greatly appreciated? Thanks, Tony Habib From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:39 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Patrick Sung Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Win32 Memory consumption. Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:54:38 -0500 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 18 Message-ID: <38D7D37E.DA2460FB@REMOVEualberta.ca> References: <38D6D454.438623EF@REMOVEualberta.ca> <38D6E8F0.4315EADF@cs.cmu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: fw2.torolab.ibm.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Just tried to restart Mozilla and it's mem usage is 15MB... oh my...(maybe there are memory leaks already in startup) but anyway, good work.... hope the lizard become smaller when it comes out in the stable release. Robert O'Callahan wrote: > Patrick Sung wrote: > > Did anyone have talked about this before? Is it because all of the DLL > > modules are loaded? I am kind of surprised to see Mozilla is the > > largest consumer on my system (right now I mean) consider the binary > > code is only about 9-10MB. > > There are a lot of memory leaks in Mozilla at the moment. In other words, > it will keep growing over time until you quit. If you just start it up and > then immediately check its memory usage, it should not look too bad. > > Rob From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:39 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Patrick Sung Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Default IE, NOT!! Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:56:23 -0500 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 16 Message-ID: <38D7D3E7.D075EBE@REMOVEualberta.ca> References: <38D71C79.E6973E39@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: fw2.torolab.ibm.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Simplest is to re-install netscape. Mark wrote: > Somehow, I set up IE as the default browser instead of Netscapte > 4.7..after > formatting and re-installing windows....HOW do I get rid of that IE , as > default. > I dont like it, dont want it to browse at all, but dont want to > eliminate it entirely. > I just want to have Netscape as my default (automatic) browser. > Ive been messing with Netscape since a big ram was 12 mb.. but I sure > need help on this.. please email me how to....if you know it.... > > badge300@federaldetective.com ......thanks.... From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:39 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!remarQ.com!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: fire-eyes Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Question: regarding mail and display of headers Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:09:40 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 6 Message-ID: <38D7D704.94E65F31@fire-eyes.yi.org> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.13 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In mail on mozilla M14, how do I enable viewing of full headers? I see it under the View menu, however it is grayed out. ** Please email responses ** [EOF] From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:39 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!secnews.netscape.com!secnews2.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Jay Garcia Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Default IE, NOT!! Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:39:27 -0600 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 27 Message-ID: <38D7DDFF.7090603@null.any> References: <38D71C79.E6973E39@earthlink.net> <38D7D3E7.D075EBE@REMOVEualberta.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.84.132.208 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; N; Win98; en-US; m14) X-Accept-Language: en Patrick Sung wrote: > Simplest is to re-install netscape. > > Mark wrote: > > > Somehow, I set up IE as the default browser instead of Netscapte > > 4.7..after > > formatting and re-installing windows....HOW do I get rid of that IE , as > > default. > > I dont like it, dont want it to browse at all, but dont want to > > eliminate it entirely. > > I just want to have Netscape as my default (automatic) browser. > > Ive been messing with Netscape since a big ram was 12 mb.. but I sure > > need help on this.. please email me how to....if you know it.... > > > > badge300@federaldetective.com ......thanks.... > No, that is NOT the simplest way. His question was answered correctly in the n.communicator newsgroup ... Jay -- *** Posted With Mozilla 5.0 / Build 2000032011 *** From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:39 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!secnews.netscape.com!secnews2.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Jay Garcia Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Question: regarding mail and display of headers Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:40:40 -0600 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 16 Message-ID: <38D7DE48.9040708@null.any> References: <38D7D704.94E65F31@fire-eyes.yi.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.84.132.208 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; N; Win98; en-US; m14) X-Accept-Language: en fire-eyes wrote: > In mail on mozilla M14, how do I enable viewing of full headers? I see > it under the View menu, however it is grayed out. > > ** Please email responses ** > > [EOF] The feature hasn't been enabled yet Jay -- *** Posted With Mozilla 5.0 / Build 2000032011 *** From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:39 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!gateway From: dhs@voyager.net Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Default IE, NOT!! Date: 21 Mar 2000 21:31:02 GMT Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 36 Message-ID: <200003212131.PAA17407@mailgw00.execpc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-207-200-73-41.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain To: mozilla-general@mozilla.org CC: mozilla-general@mozilla.org The simplest way ?? Hardly... Depending on your version of each program, you can "check" whether or not either should see if it's the default browser. On IE 5, it's under "Internet Options", then "Programs", down near the bottom of the page. Uncheck this box. Look for a similar setting in Netscape (sorry, I'm at work, with no Netscape (it won't get past the damned proxy server)) and "check" it. Finally, this is a "MOZILLA" newsgroup, not a Netscape Navigator/Communicator one. Plenty of people here know the exact address for the *right* one. Then again, just use Communicator to read newsgroups. See the "secnews" newsgroup ?? That's what you're looking for ! ;-) Regards, Hall > Simplest is to re-install netscape. > > Mark wrote: > > > Somehow, I set up IE as the default browser instead of Netscapte > > 4.7..after > > formatting and re-installing windows....HOW do I get rid of that IE , as > > default. > > I dont like it, dont want it to browse at all, but dont want to > > eliminate it entirely. > > I just want to have Netscape as my default (automatic) browser. > > Ive been messing with Netscape since a big ram was 12 mb.. but I sure > > need help on this.. please email me how to....if you know it.... From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:39 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: "Orrin D. Edenfield" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Performance still not sufficient Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 20:32:22 -0500 Organization: Neptune Network Lines: 107 Message-ID: <38D822A2.8756681A@dragonbbs.com> References: <38CA042D.928338FC@t-online.de> <38D7CF94.E2536A26@fire-eyes.yi.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp3048.dragonbbs.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en fire-eyes wrote: > Thorsten Kaiser wrote: > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > first of all: I've noticed the progress Mozilla has made the last few= weeks. > > MTBF has greatly improved, congratulations for that! > > But still... > > Most of you will have machines with quite quick processors such als > > Celerons 400 up to Athlons and PIIIs. > > I=B4m one of the not so few (I guess) which have older, slower proces= sor > > speed, a pentium 133 in my case with W95 OSR2. > > On this machine with 98 meg RAM mozilla is MUCH slower than 4.7. > > Slower in a way that makes it close to being unusable. > > UI responsiveness and window startup and change time are quite bad. > > > > Sorry, but you should be aware that there are still a lot of slower > > machines out there. What is the benefit from a small footprint if > > Mozilla is soooo slow... > > > > Thorsten > > I have to agree :( I am using a P200 with 80M RAM on slackware linux an= d > it is sitting on the border of not being used. > > I look forward to performance increases :) Ok, you wanna hear something pathetic? Try using Mozilla on a P75 system= with 24 megs or RAM. I wait a bout 10- 15 seconds for Netscape 4.5 to start up..= but then it moves along quit good. I wait probably 2 minutes for Mozilla to load up and then still get to lo= ok forward to long delays in moderately simple window changes (like resizing= or even typing in a URL!). If the the finished product isn't faster then this... this computer is n= ever going to see Mozilla (final) on it. When I tried the Gecko layout engine= when it first came out, it was a little slower then my normal netscape, but ever = since it's just been gettin slower and slower. If I understand correctly, thes= e slow down's have been from the use of the XPTool kit thingy that renders the m= enus and UI. I wonder if we would get the same ol performance we had when Gecko f= irst came out, if we had a way to convert all this XP stuff to plain ol' (whatever = it's called) Windows UI crap (like the current navigator uses)? I understand that the good factor about this is the ease of use for trans= lating for UNIX and Mac and all the other OS's out there... but from a Windows = (95) user stand point, I don't care. I want a good browser that won't hog up my ha= rd drive, and won't make me go to sleep using it. It this means using Eudora for m= y e-mail, and the old Gecko engine .... I just might! haha I'm just thinkin about making this catch on in the real world. Yeah.. b= ecause of it's inter-polarity.. it might catch on really good for the users of Linu= x or ppl who are serving a web site or something.... high demand. But for the ma= jority of the ppl out there on the net... this isn't going to benefit them at all.= I'm not tryin to gripe about mozilla being too slow... heck, my PC is th= e slow one. But, just remember there are still ppl out there using old computer= s and it might be a good idea to make a version that wouldn't be so slow on them. Just some ideas. -- Orrin D. Edenfield sci@dragonbbs.com =3D sci16@netscape.net ICQ#:7772930 AIM:sci16 FAX:(810)277-5977 http://surf.to/scizone =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D And mostly, thanks to God, for it is through Him that all things are possible =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Neptune Network =3D Triton =3D webmaster@nepnet.hypermart.net http://nepnet.hypermart.net =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:39 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!Den.BOFH.Halifax.NS.Ca!hume-borg From: hume.spamfilter@bofh.halifax.ns.ca Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Consistent crash on microsoft.com? Date: 22 Mar 2000 02:34:17 GMT Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 9 Message-ID: <8b9bf9$j8s2@secnews.netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: Den.BOFH.Halifax.ns.Ca User-Agent: tin/1.4-19991113 ("No Labels") (UNIX) (SunOS/5.8 (sun4m)) I'm using nb1b on W2K, and I'm seeing a consistent crash when I hit the top "Support" button on www.microsoft.com with a build fetched on 2000/03/21. (Oh, the irony...) Can anyone else confirm this? -- Brandon Hume - hume -> BOFH.Halifax.NS.Ca, http://WWW.BOFH.Halifax.NS.Ca/ -> Solaris Snob and general NOCMonkey From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:39 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: John Morrison Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Consistent crash on microsoft.com? Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 20:06:19 -0800 Organization: Netscape Lines: 21 Message-ID: <38D846BB.3C972E55@netscape.com> References: <8b9bf9$j8s2@secnews.netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-208-12-38-192.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73b1 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: hume@bofh.halifax.ns.ca Thanks Hume, This is now http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32785. Add yourself to CC: if you would like Cheers, John hume.spamfilter@bofh.halifax.ns.ca wrote: > I'm using nb1b on W2K, and I'm seeing a consistent crash when I hit the top > "Support" button on www.microsoft.com with a build fetched on 2000/03/21. > (Oh, the irony...) > > Can anyone else confirm this? > > -- > Brandon Hume - hume -> BOFH.Halifax.NS.Ca, http://WWW.BOFH.Halifax.NS.Ca/ > -> Solaris Snob and general NOCMonkey From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:39 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: John Morrison Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Consistent crash on microsoft.com? Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 20:07:08 -0800 Organization: Netscape Lines: 24 Message-ID: <38D846EC.865BCA04@netscape.com> References: <8b9bf9$j8s2@secnews.netscape.com> <38D846BB.3C972E55@netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-208-12-38-192.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73b1 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en John Morrison wrote: > > Thanks Hume, Errh, thanks Brandon. > > This is now http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32785. Add yourself to CC: > if you would like > > Cheers, > John > > hume.spamfilter@bofh.halifax.ns.ca wrote: > > > I'm using nb1b on W2K, and I'm seeing a consistent crash when I hit the top > > "Support" button on www.microsoft.com with a build fetched on 2000/03/21. > > (Oh, the irony...) > > > > Can anyone else confirm this? > > > > -- > > Brandon Hume - hume -> BOFH.Halifax.NS.Ca, http://WWW.BOFH.Halifax.NS.Ca/ > > -> Solaris Snob and general NOCMonkey From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:39 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Bob Crawford Newsgroups: linux.redhat.misc,comp.infosystems.www.browsers.misc,comp.lang.java.softwaretools,comp.infosystems.www.browsers.xnetscape.public.mozilla.qa.general,netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.general Subject: Re: The Death of Netscape Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 01:26:45 -0600 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 10 Message-ID: <38D875B5.D16D312C@io.com> References: <7cqav9$k4b$1@news.xmission.com> <38D63C82.98ED6B07@netscape.com> <8b5in0$74t$1@bob.news.rcn.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cs9351-169.austin.rr.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.general:17341 netscape.public.general:22618 > > > Astro Monk wrote: > > > > Does anyone know of a decent browser that I can use on multiple > platforms and expect it to work the same? L. Dorado makes one called Fountain. They also produce Grailmail and Ark-i-text. These all work exactly the same on all systems. Other than those packages, true x-plat does not exist yet. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:39 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: "Keith Bowes" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: XUL? Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 05:41:16 -0500 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 4 Message-ID: <8ba8br$liv1@secnews.netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208-26-98-39.inetone.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Does anybody have evidence that XUL really exists? I, for one, don't think it does; it's a conspiracy, I tell you! From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:39 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!unlisys!news.snafu.de!diablo.theplanet.net!newsfeed.icl.net!news.algonet.se!algonet!f.de.uu.net!uunet!zur.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!spool0.news.uu.net!reader3.news.uu.net!not-for-mail Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.mozilla.builds From: will@abika.com (Will Dormann) Subject: Update your Win32 Mozilla Automatically! X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 15:55:22 GMT Lines: 30 Message-ID: <38d8ed70$0$16545@wodc7nh7.news.uu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.67.122.141 X-Trace: reader3.news.uu.net 953740656 16545 63.67.122.141 Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.general:17343 netscape.public.mozilla.builds:13572 Hi all! I put together a batch script that will: - Download the Win32 (ZIP) Mozilla build automatically - Remove the current Mozilla build - Install the newly downloaded Mozilla It's available at: http://dormcam.webhop.net/mozupd.zip A few notes: This script is pretty simple, and makes some assumptions: The script is installed in: C:\MOZUPD Mozillia is installed in: C:\PROGRAM FILES\NETSCAPE\SEAMONKEY You'll want to probably double check the .BAT and .SCR file to make sure it'll work on your system properly (if you use directory locations other than the above) Using the Windows System Agent, I set up this script to run early every morning, so every day when I use my computer, I have the latest Mozilla build already installed and ready to go! Happy Testing!! -WD _____________________________________________________________________ Need More Help? Check out the Abika Experts section at http://www.Abika.com From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:39 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Mircea Romantan Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: M14 Problem Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 18:06:58 +0200 Organization: Automatic Soft Lines: 18 Message-ID: <38D8EFA2.8014A0B6@asu.ro> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.102.172.206 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en Description of the problem : I have W2K installed & I've downloaded the 'Zip File for Windows 2000 (4.9M)'. I ran setup.exe, Installed M14 into a fresh directory, but when I try to run it, it just displsys the splash screen , after a few secs it closes and then nothing appears. The process simply shuts down. Could anyone help me with this ? -- Mircea Romantan Automatic Soft Cluj-Napoca Tel: 064-197427;064-197792. eMail : teddy@asu.ro Web : http://www.asu.ro From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:39 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: "Jonathan P. Ruedisueli" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Performance still not sufficient Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:47:02 -0500 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 35 Message-ID: <38D91525.88D67A02@woh.rr.com> References: <38CA042D.928338FC@t-online.de> <38D7CF94.E2536A26@fire-eyes.yi.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: woh-174-101.woh.rr.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en I'm using a 133 MHz Cyrix 6x86 (166+) cpu w/ 64MB and lots of other weak components. I have no problem running Mozilla, but don't use it as my standard browser because I click on the netscape logo due to a bad habit. The Mozilla browser runs much more stable and faster then Netscape 4.6. I don't know what you're doing wrong, but you shouldn't be seeing slower performance in Mozilla then Netscape on any platform. fire-eyes wrote: > Thorsten Kaiser wrote: > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > first of all: I've noticed the progress Mozilla has made the last few weeks. > > MTBF has greatly improved, congratulations for that! > > But still... > > Most of you will have machines with quite quick processors such als > > Celerons 400 up to Athlons and PIIIs. > > I´m one of the not so few (I guess) which have older, slower processor > > speed, a pentium 133 in my case with W95 OSR2. > > On this machine with 98 meg RAM mozilla is MUCH slower than 4.7. > > Slower in a way that makes it close to being unusable. > > UI responsiveness and window startup and change time are quite bad. > > > > Sorry, but you should be aware that there are still a lot of slower > > machines out there. What is the benefit from a small footprint if > > Mozilla is soooo slow... > > > > Thorsten > > I have to agree :( I am using a P200 with 80M RAM on slackware linux and > it is sitting on the border of not being used. > > I look forward to performance increases :) From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:39 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: "Jonathan P. Ruedisueli" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Performance still not sufficient Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:54:48 -0500 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 88 Message-ID: <38D916F7.E03AB7AB@woh.rr.com> References: <38CA042D.928338FC@t-online.de> <38D7CF94.E2536A26@fire-eyes.yi.org> <38D822A2.8756681A@dragonbbs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: woh-174-101.woh.rr.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en A Pentium 75 with 24 megs of RAM shouldn't be running Win95 let alone multiple browser windows! Don't know how you've tweaked Netscape (disable cache, disable java...) but you're certainly not getting a decent internet experience. Try looking at something along the lines of a K6-2 450 motherboard and processor (shouldn't set you out more then $150, $100 if you get a low-end motherboard), or at least add another 32 megs of RAM, that should only be about $25. I know I plan on doing more then that soon, and I'm running a system twice as fast as your's! There's still no reason you should see better performance in Netscape running the same websites (with the same features enabled) as with Mozilla, but more RAM will definitely help you out. "Orrin D. Edenfield" wrote: > fire-eyes wrote: > > > Thorsten Kaiser wrote: > > > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > first of all: I've noticed the progress Mozilla has made the last few weeks. > > > MTBF has greatly improved, congratulations for that! > > > But still... > > > Most of you will have machines with quite quick processors such als > > > Celerons 400 up to Athlons and PIIIs. > > > I´m one of the not so few (I guess) which have older, slower processor > > > speed, a pentium 133 in my case with W95 OSR2. > > > On this machine with 98 meg RAM mozilla is MUCH slower than 4.7. > > > Slower in a way that makes it close to being unusable. > > > UI responsiveness and window startup and change time are quite bad. > > > > > > Sorry, but you should be aware that there are still a lot of slower > > > machines out there. What is the benefit from a small footprint if > > > Mozilla is soooo slow... > > > > > > Thorsten > > > > I have to agree :( I am using a P200 with 80M RAM on slackware linux and > > it is sitting on the border of not being used. > > > > I look forward to performance increases :) > > Ok, you wanna hear something pathetic? Try using Mozilla on a P75 system with 24 > megs or RAM. I wait a bout 10- 15 seconds for Netscape 4.5 to start up.. but then > it moves along quit good. > > I wait probably 2 minutes for Mozilla to load up and then still get to look > forward to long delays in moderately simple window changes (like resizing or even > typing in a URL!). > > If the the finished product isn't faster then this... this computer is never > going to see Mozilla (final) on it. When I tried the Gecko layout engine when it > first came out, it was a little slower then my normal netscape, but ever since > it's just been gettin slower and slower. If I understand correctly, these slow > down's have been from the use of the XPTool kit thingy that renders the menus and > UI. I wonder if we would get the same ol performance we had when Gecko first came > out, if we had a way to convert all this XP stuff to plain ol' (whatever it's > called) Windows UI crap (like the current navigator uses)? > > I understand that the good factor about this is the ease of use for translating > for UNIX and Mac and all the other OS's out there... but from a Windows (95) user > stand point, I don't care. I want a good browser that won't hog up my hard drive, > and won't make me go to sleep using it. It this means using Eudora for my e-mail, > and the old Gecko engine .... I just might! haha > > I'm just thinkin about making this catch on in the real world. Yeah.. because of > it's inter-polarity.. it might catch on really good for the users of Linux or ppl > who are serving a web site or something.... high demand. But for the majority of > the ppl out there on the net... this isn't going to benefit them at all. > > I'm not tryin to gripe about mozilla being too slow... heck, my PC is the slow > one. But, just remember there are still ppl out there using old computers and it > might be a good idea to make a version that wouldn't be so slow on them. > > Just some ideas. > > -- > Orrin D. Edenfield > sci@dragonbbs.com = sci16@netscape.net > ICQ#:7772930 AIM:sci16 > FAX:(810)277-5977 > http://surf.to/scizone > ========================================================== > And mostly, thanks to God, for it is through Him > that all things are possible > ========================================================== > Neptune Network = Triton = webmaster@nepnet.hypermart.net > http://nepnet.hypermart.net > ========================================================== From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:39 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!gateway From: circuitbreaker@flashmail.com (BB) Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Hydra project Date: 22 Mar 2000 19:17:24 GMT Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 23 Message-ID: <8bb6d8$ldm$1@bob.news.rcn.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-207-200-73-41.netscape.com To: mozilla-general@mozilla.org [posted in .general only -- the moderator] I am planning on making a Personal Organizer (like Lotus) for Mozilla code named Hydra (For lack of a better name :) ). It might not be made in time for the first release of Mozilla and I probably won't start it immediately. I am still planning. I already have people that are willing to help. I also need to learn more about how the code for Mozilla works (I'm new at this). If anyone wants to get in at this early stage, feel free. If you do a reasonable portion of the planning, I will make you co-owners (at max 2 people - I already have one co-owner). If you want to just help me but don't want to commit, just tell me and I will let you know when we need your help. **Please reply to boberb@rpi.edu even if you post a response on the board. Thank you. -- From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:39 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!unlisys!news.snafu.de!bignews.mediaways.net!diablo.theplanet.net!europa.netcrusader.net!207.172.3.37!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: "BB" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.mozilla.ui Subject: The default skin Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 14:32:04 -0500 Lines: 14 Message-ID: <8bb78t$oqt$1@bob.news.rcn.net> X-Trace: clqLEfwynPJNHgtZHlXI+/9Nhk/FiwDHfbBP+jT5qvA= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Mar 2000 19:34:53 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.general:17347 netscape.public.mozilla.ui:7310 The default skin for Mozilla is kind of devoid of colors and the button bar is blah. I really wish someone could make it more colorful and get those ugly stripes of the . Also, the progress bar should have the dark and light sections gradient filled so it looks nicer. Skins should be as easy to add and create as for Winamp Mp3 player and should be able to have such things as animations, moveable buttons, linked external code for extensibility. A text file should define the layout of the skin. Also, I think the Mozilla animation should run all the time if toggled in prefs. (People like me that have very very fast internet connections never see it) :( It is really cool! -- From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:39 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: "BB" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.mozilla.ui Subject: Startup screen. Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 14:35:40 -0500 Lines: 12 Message-ID: <8bb7fk$pid$1@bob.news.rcn.net> X-Trace: EQcYWUHoh0bA0WZrheV6kZYoVnfCpvQp0qb1JpGw8vI= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Mar 2000 19:38:28 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.general:17348 netscape.public.mozilla.ui:7311 My friend is great at making shockwave files and would like to create a shockwave startup screen (featuring the dinasour and fire of course) :) . If he made it and it looked cool, would it be added to Mozilla and would he get credit? He could make an animated GIF if a shockwave would be no good (ie not portable), but then there could be no sound and it would have to have 8-bit color. What do you think? If he did so(and every one liked it), could he also make the startup screen for the commercial version? -- From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:39 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!unlisys!news.snafu.de!isdnet!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news.he.net!remarQ73!remarQ.com!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: fire-eyes Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Mozilla M14 reproducable crashes Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 15:12:44 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 10 Message-ID: <38D9293C.5B719D3F@fire-eyes.yi.org> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.13 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am running mozilla M14 on slackware7 with kernel 2.2.13 , glibc. I have java off, java script on, cookies off. by going to http://www.comcast.com , I was able to get mozilla to crash SIX times in a row. Anyone have any idea whats up? I sent in a talkback report each time. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:39 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ70!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!207.126.101.66!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: fire-eyes Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Talkback Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 15:14:16 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 16 Message-ID: <38D92998.CC218A73@fire-eyes.yi.org> References: <8abr0o$52i1@secnews.netscape.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.13 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Keith Bowes wrote: > > Hello. > > I've noticed that the Netscape crash feedback component doesn't seem to work > correctly. It begins to send the data, but the send is unsuccessful. It > tries to send the data later, but that doesn't send either. After a few > tries at regular intervals, the program stops responding and I have to close > it with the task manager. > > I'm feeling that there's some serious problems here and it's not my fault. I get the same, and I am behind no firewall and no proxy. 80% of the time, it fails. I am guessing this is due to network loads at the recieving end? From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:39 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!unlisys!news.snafu.de!newscore.gigabell.net!newsfeed.germany.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ70!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!207.126.101.66!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: fire-eyes Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Damn java crashes Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 15:17:07 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 21 Message-ID: <38D92A43.30423CCF@fire-eyes.yi.org> References: <8acrui$m97$1@slb1.atl.mindspring.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.13 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Higgins wrote: > > I am so damned sick of Netscape crashing on certain sites. I'm assuming it's > Java or ActiveX problems, but there are some sites where N 4.7, and now N > 4.72, quickly freeze up.(newyork.citysearch.com is one common one, as is > foodtv.com) There's something on cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS that not only crashes > Netscape but actually blanks my screen, freezes my whole PC and requires a > reboot. Is there some patch or plugin that can stop this. When I use MSIE, > those sites are fine, but I prefer Netscape, damnit!! Will MI14 resolve > thins??? > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > John M. Higgins > higgins@dorsai.org > v)212-337-7024/f)212-337-7028 > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- I didn't get any of those problems with netscape 4.72 or mozilla M14, however I am running these on linux. Give M14 a shot, who knows. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:39 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!unlisys!news.snafu.de!diablo.theplanet.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!remarQ.com!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: fire-eyes Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Performance still not sufficient Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 15:21:27 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 43 Message-ID: <38D92B47.2BD20978@fire-eyes.yi.org> References: <38CA042D.928338FC@t-online.de> <38D7CF94.E2536A26@fire-eyes.yi.org> <38D822A2.8756681A@dragonbbs.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.13 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Orrin D. Edenfield" wrote: > Ok, you wanna hear something pathetic? Try using Mozilla on a P75 system with 24 > megs or RAM. I wait a bout 10- 15 seconds for Netscape 4.5 to start up.. but then > it moves along quit good. > > I wait probably 2 minutes for Mozilla to load up and then still get to look > forward to long delays in moderately simple window changes (like resizing or even > typing in a URL!). > > If the the finished product isn't faster then this... this computer is never > going to see Mozilla (final) on it. When I tried the Gecko layout engine when it > first came out, it was a little slower then my normal netscape, but ever since > it's just been gettin slower and slower. If I understand correctly, these slow > down's have been from the use of the XPTool kit thingy that renders the menus and > UI. I wonder if we would get the same ol performance we had when Gecko first came > out, if we had a way to convert all this XP stuff to plain ol' (whatever it's > called) Windows UI crap (like the current navigator uses)? What irritates me the most is when people tell us to 'just get a new computer'... Doesn't that make you angry? I don't know about you but just whipping out us$800 - 4,000 and plopping it on a new system without a second thought isn't possible for me. > I understand that the good factor about this is the ease of use for translating > for UNIX and Mac and all the other OS's out there... but from a Windows (95) user > stand point, I don't care. I want a good browser that won't hog up my hard drive, > and won't make me go to sleep using it. It this means using Eudora for my e-mail, > and the old Gecko engine .... I just might! haha Well, perhaps they will switch to a different rendering method for each OS as time goes on. They know what they are doing, have faith. > I'm just thinkin about making this catch on in the real world. Yeah.. because of > it's inter-polarity.. it might catch on really good for the users of Linux or ppl > who are serving a web site or something.... high demand. But for the majority of > the ppl out there on the net... this isn't going to benefit them at all. > > I'm not tryin to gripe about mozilla being too slow... heck, my PC is the slow > one. But, just remember there are still ppl out there using old computers and it > might be a good idea to make a version that wouldn't be so slow on them. > > Just some ideas. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:39 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: "BB" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Mozilla passes the crazy click test Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 15:27:00 -0500 Lines: 11 Message-ID: <8bbagh$87f$1@bob.news.rcn.net> X-Trace: 0PDOJ1UTGuNS5oXTkcgDAdt1kFnslcFahWNj/SFl1MQ= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Mar 2000 20:30:09 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 Try going rampant on a lot of software clicking on tons of buttons really quickly and it will crash many programs. IE5.0, Outlook, Communicator and many other programs have died due to my crazy click test. Mozilla (last nights build) survived. Even when clicking back ultra-fast. Next is my memory drain test! -- From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:39 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!unlisys!news.snafu.de!diablo.theplanet.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ70!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: fire-eyes Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Importing Netscape Address Book? Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 15:27:33 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 10 Message-ID: <38D92CB5.730B0BFE@fire-eyes.yi.org> References: <38D0C9AD.FE740B34@capu.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.13 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Harry Krause wrote: > > How, please... > > Since the "import" doesn't seem to work in Mozilla address book utils... > > -- I went to netscape 4.72 address book, exported the bookmark and then imported that file in Mozilla M14. Works just fine for me. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:39 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!unlisys!news.snafu.de!newsfeedZ.netscum.dQ!netscum.int!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ70!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: fire-eyes Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Question: regarding mail and display of headers Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 15:30:29 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 20 Message-ID: <38D92D65.836E0069@fire-eyes.yi.org> References: <38D7D704.94E65F31@fire-eyes.yi.org> <38D7DE48.9040708@null.any> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.13 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jay Garcia wrote: > > fire-eyes wrote: > > > In mail on mozilla M14, how do I enable viewing of full headers? I see > > it under the View menu, however it is grayed out. > > > > ** Please email responses ** > > > > [EOF] > > The feature hasn't been enabled yet > > Jay > > -- > *** Posted With Mozilla 5.0 / Build 2000032011 *** Okay, that's what I was wondering. Thanks. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:39 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Robert Kaiser Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Performance still not sufficient Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 21:48:00 +0100 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 14 Message-ID: <38D93180.9AAA4541@StarTrekMail.com> References: <38CA042D.928338FC@t-online.de> <38D7CF94.E2536A26@fire-eyes.yi.org> <38D822A2.8756681A@dragonbbs.com> <38D916F7.E03AB7AB@woh.rr.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: robert.hirsch.sth.ac.at Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [de] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: de-AT,de,en-US,en,it Just one word: Asa Dotzler won his "Methodical Man" Award at MozillaZine ("for his great work organizing Bug Day, maintaining Brower general bugs, and helping novice bug reporters become experienced Bugzilla users.") using a P100/16 MB RAM/600 MB HDD!!! You see, it's not only that you can _run_ Mozilla a such a machine, you also can use it to an extent that you can survive being QA contact for Browser-General bugs, help reporting/maintaining/solving bugs and win an award for that. And all that with a product which still eats up a lot of resources being not-even-beta and not optimized... Robert Kaiserr From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:39 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Robert Kaiser Newsgroups: linux.redhat.misc,comp.infosystems.www.browsers.misc,comp.lang.java.softwaretools,comp.infosystems.www.browsers.xnetscape.public.mozilla.qa.general,netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.general Subject: Re: The Death of Netscape Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:04:53 +0100 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 14 Message-ID: <38D93575.ECB18997@StarTrekMail.com> References: <7cqav9$k4b$1@news.xmission.com> <38D63C82.98ED6B07@netscape.com> <8b5in0$74t$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <38D875B5.D16D312C@io.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: robert.hirsch.sth.ac.at Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [de] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: de-AT,de,en-US,en,it Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.general:17357 netscape.public.general:22648 > Other than those packages, true x-plat does not exist yet. What about MOZILLA (www.mozilla.org) ??? It IS cross-platform (at least 97% of the code are...) and so NETSCAPE 6.0 (there will be no 5.0) will be XP, too.... Robert Kaiser P.S.: as this is also posted to netscape.public.mozilla.general I have to admit that the original poster (and perhaps others) of this thread either don't know what product this group is about or they want to tell us we are not existent.... From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:39 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!gateway From: dhs@voyager.net Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Performance still not sufficient Date: 22 Mar 2000 21:24:00 GMT Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 16 Message-ID: <200003222124.PAA11866@mailgw00.execpc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-207-200-73-41.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain To: mozilla-general@mozilla.org > What irritates me the most is when people tell us to 'just get a new > computer'... Doesn't that make you angry? I don't know about you but > just whipping out us$800 - 4,000 and plopping it on a new system without > a second thought isn't possible for me. I understand your dilemna and yes, too often, people's reply is simply "get a faster PC." But at the same time, what do Mozilla developers do ?? How far back, hardware-wise, do you build this application for ?? Same with other developers... Do they design it to run good on a 386 (of course, just think how that would run "modern" machines!) ?? Regards, Hall From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:39 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Kerry Ginn Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: the scripting entity and "Transitioning from Layers ... to W3C Standards" Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 15:31:52 -0600 Organization: The From header is munged, remove -Serious Lines: 15 Message-ID: <38D93BC8.84331C11@scci-ad.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: scci-ad.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Eric Krock's document at http://sites.netscape.net/ekrock/standards.html discusses his list of version 4 browser "features" that need changing for Mozilla 5/Netscape 6/DOM 1. Not in Krock's list is the javascript entity -- &{}; -- although it is not yet a part of HTML 4 (but the spec. reserves its syntax under the name "scripting entity"). The last time that I looked for it, it didn't appear to be implemented in the milestone releases either. Will Mozilla 5 and/or Netscape 6 support the JavaScript entity? -- Kerry Ginn Austin, Texas From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:39 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Kerry Ginn Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: The Death of Netscape Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 15:36:50 -0600 Organization: The From header is munged, remove -Serious Lines: 14 Message-ID: <38D93CF2.E10192E3@scci-ad.com> References: <7cqav9$k4b$1@news.xmission.com> <38D63C82.98ED6B07@netscape.com> <8b5in0$74t$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <38D875B5.D16D312C@io.com> <38D93575.ECB18997@StarTrekMail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: scci-ad.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en x-no-archive: yes Robert Kaiser wrote: > P.S.: as this is also posted to netscape.public.mozilla.general I have to > admit that the original poster (and perhaps others) of this thread either > don't know what product this group is about or they want to tell us we are > not existent.... Well, to be fair, I've had my doubts about people in this group too. :-) -- Kerry Ginn Austin, Texas From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:39 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Thomas Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.mozilla.ui Subject: Re: Startup screen. Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:41:22 +0100 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 14 Message-ID: <38D93E02.2090702@gmx.net> References: <8bb7fk$pid$1@bob.news.rcn.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pop-ls-8-3-2-dialup-203.freesurf.ch Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; N; Win95; en-US; m14) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.general:17362 netscape.public.mozilla.ui:7317 
 What do you think? If he did so(and every one liked it), could
he also make the startup screen for the commercial version?

hmmm....let me think.....no?
From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:39 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: "Orrin D. Edenfield" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Performance still not sufficient Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 17:08:22 -0500 Organization: Neptune Network Lines: 150 Message-ID: <38D94453.95A88AD9@dragonbbs.com> References: <38CA042D.928338FC@t-online.de> <38D7CF94.E2536A26@fire-eyes.yi.org> <38D822A2.8756681A@dragonbbs.com> <38D916F7.E03AB7AB@woh.rr.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp3030.dragonbbs.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en "Jonathan P. Ruedisueli" wrote: > A Pentium 75 with 24 megs of RAM shouldn't be running Win95 let alone m= ultiple browser > windows! Don't know how you've tweaked Netscape (disable cache, disabl= e java...) but > you're certainly not getting a decent internet experience. Try looking= at something > along the lines of a K6-2 450 motherboard and processor (shouldn't set = you out more > then $150, $100 if you get a low-end motherboard), or at least add anot= her 32 megs of > RAM, that should only be about $25. I know I plan on doing more then t= hat soon, and > I'm running a system twice as fast as your's! There's still no reason = you should see > better performance in Netscape running the same websites (with the same= features > enabled) as with Mozilla, but more RAM will definitely help you out. > > "Orrin D. Edenfield" wrote: > > > fire-eyes wrote: > > > > > Thorsten Kaiser wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > > > first of all: I've noticed the progress Mozilla has made the last= few weeks. > > > > MTBF has greatly improved, congratulations for that! > > > > But still... > > > > Most of you will have machines with quite quick processors such a= ls > > > > Celerons 400 up to Athlons and PIIIs. > > > > I=B4m one of the not so few (I guess) which have older, slower pr= ocessor > > > > speed, a pentium 133 in my case with W95 OSR2. > > > > On this machine with 98 meg RAM mozilla is MUCH slower than 4.7. > > > > Slower in a way that makes it close to being unusable. > > > > UI responsiveness and window startup and change time are quite ba= d. > > > > > > > > Sorry, but you should be aware that there are still a lot of slow= er > > > > machines out there. What is the benefit from a small footprint if= > > > > Mozilla is soooo slow... > > > > > > > > Thorsten > > > > > > I have to agree :( I am using a P200 with 80M RAM on slackware linu= x and > > > it is sitting on the border of not being used. > > > > > > I look forward to performance increases :) > > > > Ok, you wanna hear something pathetic? Try using Mozilla on a P75 sy= stem with 24 > > megs or RAM. I wait a bout 10- 15 seconds for Netscape 4.5 to start = up.. but then > > it moves along quit good. > > > > I wait probably 2 minutes for Mozilla to load up and then still get t= o look > > forward to long delays in moderately simple window changes (like resi= zing or even > > typing in a URL!). > > > > If the the finished product isn't faster then this... this computer = is never > > going to see Mozilla (final) on it. When I tried the Gecko layout en= gine when it > > first came out, it was a little slower then my normal netscape, but e= ver since > > it's just been gettin slower and slower. If I understand correctly, = these slow > > down's have been from the use of the XPTool kit thingy that renders t= he menus and > > UI. I wonder if we would get the same ol performance we had when Gec= ko first came > > out, if we had a way to convert all this XP stuff to plain ol' (whate= ver it's > > called) Windows UI crap (like the current navigator uses)? > > > > I understand that the good factor about this is the ease of use for t= ranslating > > for UNIX and Mac and all the other OS's out there... but from a Wind= ows (95) user > > stand point, I don't care. I want a good browser that won't hog up m= y hard drive, > > and won't make me go to sleep using it. It this means using Eudora f= or my e-mail, > > and the old Gecko engine .... I just might! haha > > > > I'm just thinkin about making this catch on in the real world. Yeah.= =2E because of > > it's inter-polarity.. it might catch on really good for the users of = Linux or ppl > > who are serving a web site or something.... high demand. But for th= e majority of > > the ppl out there on the net... this isn't going to benefit them at = all. > > > > I'm not tryin to gripe about mozilla being too slow... heck, my PC i= s the slow > > one. But, just remember there are still ppl out there using old comp= uters and it > > might be a good idea to make a version that wouldn't be so slow on th= em. > > > > Just some ideas. > > > > -- > > Orrin D. Edenfield > > sci@dragonbbs.com =3D sci16@netscape.net > > ICQ#:7772930 AIM:sci16 > > FAX:(810)277-5977 > > http://surf.to/scizone > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > And mostly, thanks to God, for it is through Him > > that all things are possible > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > Neptune Network =3D Triton =3D webmaster@nepnet.hypermart.net > > http://nepnet.hypermart.net > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D That's crazy! I run Windows perfectly fine. I can usually run a couple= Netscape windows, a couple notepad windows, and a couple explorer windows all at t= he same time, while running ICQ, AIM, and other *background* applications. I never run= into the kind of trouble when I close everything (except explorer and systray) and try moz= illa.exe. I have everything enabled in netscape, including java, 7680 k of disk cac= he and 1024 k of mem cache, as for my "internet experience" I am gettin 95% of it (my gues= s). I use this beast to do my web browsing, e-mail, web page building .. everything. So= I don't see why I want to get a new computer ... or upgrade it.. just for mozilla. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:39 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: "Orrin D. Edenfield" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Performance still not sufficient Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 17:13:46 -0500 Organization: Neptune Network Lines: 73 Message-ID: <38D94598.B8C52366@dragonbbs.com> References: <38CA042D.928338FC@t-online.de> <38D7CF94.E2536A26@fire-eyes.yi.org> <38D822A2.8756681A@dragonbbs.com> <38D92B47.2BD20978@fire-eyes.yi.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp3030.dragonbbs.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en fire-eyes wrote: > "Orrin D. Edenfield" wrote: > > > Ok, you wanna hear something pathetic? Try using Mozilla on a P75 system with 24 > > megs or RAM. I wait a bout 10- 15 seconds for Netscape 4.5 to start up.. but then > > it moves along quit good. > > > > I wait probably 2 minutes for Mozilla to load up and then still get to look > > forward to long delays in moderately simple window changes (like resizing or even > > typing in a URL!). > > > > If the the finished product isn't faster then this... this computer is never > > going to see Mozilla (final) on it. When I tried the Gecko layout engine when it > > first came out, it was a little slower then my normal netscape, but ever since > > it's just been gettin slower and slower. If I understand correctly, these slow > > down's have been from the use of the XPTool kit thingy that renders the menus and > > UI. I wonder if we would get the same ol performance we had when Gecko first came > > out, if we had a way to convert all this XP stuff to plain ol' (whatever it's > > called) Windows UI crap (like the current navigator uses)? > > What irritates me the most is when people tell us to 'just get a new > computer'... Doesn't that make you angry? I don't know about you but > just whipping out us$800 - 4,000 and plopping it on a new system without > a second thought isn't possible for me. > > > I understand that the good factor about this is the ease of use for translating > > for UNIX and Mac and all the other OS's out there... but from a Windows (95) user > > stand point, I don't care. I want a good browser that won't hog up my hard drive, > > and won't make me go to sleep using it. It this means using Eudora for my e-mail, > > and the old Gecko engine .... I just might! haha > > Well, perhaps they will switch to a different rendering method for each > OS as time goes on. They know what they are doing, have faith. > > > I'm just thinkin about making this catch on in the real world. Yeah.. because of > > it's inter-polarity.. it might catch on really good for the users of Linux or ppl > > who are serving a web site or something.... high demand. But for the majority of > > the ppl out there on the net... this isn't going to benefit them at all. > > > > I'm not tryin to gripe about mozilla being too slow... heck, my PC is the slow > > one. But, just remember there are still ppl out there using old computers and it > > might be a good idea to make a version that wouldn't be so slow on them. > > > > Just some ideas. Yeah.. what makes me really mad is that if I go and look in the newspaper adds today.. I could get a 450 MHz K6-II or something for the same price as I got mine... but that will always be that way. If mozilla.org doesn't change the rendering over to the old style.... Netscape/AOL is gonna have to .. of they might not be able to say it's the "fastest browser" like MS did with IE5. (And I bet they will wanna use that.. considering one key feature of the rendering engine is.. ahh... speed. I hope. -- Orrin D. Edenfield sci@dragonbbs.com = sci16@netscape.net ICQ#:7772930 AIM:sci16 FAX:(810)277-5977 http://surf.to/scizone ========================================================== And mostly, thanks to God, for it is through Him that all things are possible ========================================================== Neptune Network = Triton = webmaster@nepnet.hypermart.net http://nepnet.hypermart.net ========================================================== From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:39 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: "Orrin D. Edenfield" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Performance still not sufficient Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 17:45:07 -0500 Organization: Neptune Network Lines: 40 Message-ID: <38D94CF1.C14B5199@dragonbbs.com> References: <200003222124.PAA11866@mailgw00.execpc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp3054.dragonbbs.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: dhs@voyager.net dhs@voyager.net wrote: > > What irritates me the most is when people tell us to 'just get a new > > computer'... Doesn't that make you angry? I don't know about you but > > just whipping out us$800 - 4,000 and plopping it on a new system > without > > a second thought isn't possible for me. > > I understand your dilemna and yes, too often, people's reply is simply > "get a faster PC." But at the same time, what do Mozilla developers do > ?? How far back, hardware-wise, do you build this application for ?? > Same with other developers... Do they design it to run good on a 386 > (of course, just think how that would run "modern" machines!) ?? > > Regards, > Hall This performance thing has to be fixed. Mozilla would be great (on the performance scale) if it still used the same ol' rendering. I understand why (on a broad scale) it isn't using it... I just hope Netscape/AOL (or someone else...*branded*) will make a version with the same features except with the old rendering. -- Orrin D. Edenfield sci@dragonbbs.com = sci16@netscape.net ICQ#:7772930 AIM:sci16 FAX:(810)277-5977 http://surf.to/scizone ========================================================== And mostly, thanks to God, for it is through Him that all things are possible ========================================================== Neptune Network = Triton = webmaster@nepnet.hypermart.net http://nepnet.hypermart.net ========================================================== From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:39 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Dan203 Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.mozilla.ui Subject: Re: Startup screen. Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:48:21 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <8bbijh$vvf$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8bb7fk$pid$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <38D93E02.2090702@gmx.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.201.25.96 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Mar 22 22:48:21 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x22.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 63.201.25.96 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDdan203 Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.general:17365 netscape.public.mozilla.ui:7327 In article <38D93E02.2090702@gmx.net>, Thomas wrote: >> What do you think? If he did so(and every one liked it), could >> he also make the startup screen for the commercial version? > > hmmm....let me think.....no? I agree! If this feature does somehow make it into Mozilla I see Netscape using a Castle Rock Entertainment style start up, where the lighthouse actually spins and flashes light across the screen (http://www.castle-rock.com/). Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:39 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!skynet.be!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!news1.spb.su!newsfeed1.funet.fi!nntp.inet.fi!inet.fi!newsfeeds.saunalahti.fi!uutiset.saunalahti.fi!not-for-mail From: Sini =?iso-8859-1?Q?M=E4kel=E4?= Newsgroups: linux.redhat.misc,netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: The Death of Netscape Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 01:12:50 +0200 Organization: SAUNALAHDEN SERVERIN asiakas Lines: 22 Message-ID: <38D95372.526F8CB7@helsinki.fi> References: <7cqav9$k4b$1@news.xmission.com> <38D63C82.98ED6B07@netscape.com> <8b5in0$74t$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <38d7c348_1@news.intensive.net> <38D6C50C.17D2810C@student.auckland.ac.nz> <38D6D93E.F8139584@StarTrekMail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cs85023.pp.htv.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: tron.sci.fi 953766346 18484 212.90.85.23 (22 Mar 2000 23:05:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@saunalahti.fi NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Mar 2000 23:05:46 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12-20 i686) X-Accept-Language: fi, en Robert Kaiser wrote: > > Hey, if you need a cross-platform, good-working browser - you'll get it! Good. Is this going to happen within next five years? > But all good needs time... so this one, MOZILLA 5.0 (which will be the > base of Netscape 6.0), is a open source cross-platformstandards > compliant skinnable (...) browser (or web machine) software - but it's > "only" getting to beta 1 in the next weeks. > Neverthelles, current trial versions at www.mozilla.org are getting > better and better, it's worth a try... Are you kidding? I've been using various "milestones" of Mozilla and at it's current state it is unusable. I think it shouldn't be recommended to somebody already fed up with Netscape crashing. Mozilla crashes about every 15 minutes, when Netscape crashes "only" once or twice a day. I wish all good luck for Mozilla developers, but I see no way it would be considerable browser in near future. :sini From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:39 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: "Jonathan P. Ruedisueli" Newsgroups: linux.redhat.misc,netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: The Death of Netscape Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 18:30:39 -0500 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 20 Message-ID: <38D9579F.8BE2BA40@woh.rr.com> References: <7cqav9$k4b$1@news.xmission.com> <38D63C82.98ED6B07@netscape.com> <8b5in0$74t$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <38d7c348_1@news.intensive.net> <38D6C50C.17D2810C@student.auckland.ac.nz> <38D6D93E.F8139584@StarTrekMail.com> <38D95372.526F8CB7@helsinki.fi> NNTP-Posting-Host: woh-174-101.woh.rr.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en > > Are you kidding? I've been using various "milestones" of Mozilla and > at it's current state it is unusable. I think it shouldn't be > recommended to somebody already fed up with Netscape crashing. Mozilla > crashes about every 15 minutes, when Netscape crashes "only" once or > twice a day. I wish all good luck for Mozilla developers, but I see > no way it would be considerable browser in near future. > > :sini Honestly, I've never had a crash on Milestone 14 while browsing standard websites (ie, not websites designed to crash browsers). I use it as a back-up when Netscape starts driving me nuts. I'm just too used to the look of Netscape to give it up. I've used it on about a dozen occasions, each for about 2-3 hours at a time on all my normal website haunts. Does just fine. I plan to make the Netscape Beta1 my regular browser, if it's easy enough to migrate user info. I'm not going to even try to predict what's wrong with your computer, but it's not Mozilla's fault if your computer has ancient dll's or bad memory. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:39 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!newspharm.inet.tele.dk.MISMATCH!n00zpHeed.netscum.dQ!netscum.int!news100.image.dk!news.worldonline.dk.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38D95D26.B64CCE4C@student.econ.cbs.dk> From: Henrik Lynggaard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: XUL? References: <8ba8br$liv1@secnews.netscape.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 10 Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 23:51:20 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.54.77.100 X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@wol.dk X-Trace: news.worldonline.dk 953769080 212.54.77.100 (Thu, 23 Mar 2000 00:51:20 MET) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 00:51:20 MET Organization: Customer of World Online Denmark A/S Keith Bowes wrote: > Does anybody have evidence that XUL really exists? I, for one, don't think > it does; it's a conspiracy, I tell you! ./chrome//content/default/ *.xul From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:39 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!Den.BOFH.Halifax.NS.Ca!hume-borg From: hume.spamfilter@bofh.halifax.ns.ca Newsgroups: linux.redhat.misc,netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: The Death of Netscape Date: 22 Mar 2000 23:54:54 GMT Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 10 Message-ID: <8bbmge$sd92@secnews.netscape.com> References: <7cqav9$k4b$1@news.xmission.com> <38D63C82.98ED6B07@netscape.com> <8b5in0$74t$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <38d7c348_1@news.intensive.net> <38D6C50C.17D2810C@student.auckland.ac.nz> <38D6D93E.F8139584@StarTrekMail.com> <38D95372.526F8CB7@helsinki.fi> NNTP-Posting-Host: Den.BOFH.Halifax.ns.Ca User-Agent: tin/1.4-19991113 ("No Labels") (UNIX) (SunOS/5.8 (sun4m)) Sini M?kel? wrote: : recommended to somebody already fed up with Netscape crashing. Mozilla : crashes about every 15 minutes, when Netscape crashes "only" once or Have you made any attempt to report these bugs? Or do you expect the Mozilla developers to just magically know when and how it crashes on you? -- Brandon Hume - hume -> BOFH.Halifax.NS.Ca, http://WWW.BOFH.Halifax.NS.Ca/ -> Solaris Snob and general NOCMonkey From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:39 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Bob Crawford Newsgroups: linux.redhat.misc,comp.infosystems.www.browsers.misc,comp.lang.java.softwaretools,comp.infosystems.www.browsers.xnetscape.public.mozilla.qa.general,netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.general Subject: Re: The Death of Netscape (greatly exaggerated) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 18:18:51 -0600 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 38 Message-ID: <38D962EB.CC7AEF26@io.com> References: <7cqav9$k4b$1@news.xmission.com> <38D63C82.98ED6B07@netscape.com> <8b5in0$74t$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <38D875B5.D16D312C@io.com> <38D93575.ECB18997@StarTrekMail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cs9351-169.austin.rr.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.general:17372 netscape.public.general:22651 Robert Kaiser wrote: > > Other than those packages, true x-plat does not exist yet. > > What about MOZILLA (www.mozilla.org) ??? > It IS cross-platform No, Moz is just the most nearly XPlat thing around > (at least 97% of the code are...) That 3% matters to some people. The person to whom I was replying was complaining that nothings runs EXACTLY the same across platforms. Since we do not live in/on a perfect world, I was attempting to gently point out that there will be minor differences no matter what the software is. > and so NETSCAPE 6.0 (there will be no 5.0) will be XP, too.... -3% :^) > Robert Kaiser > > P.S.: as this is also posted to netscape.public.mozilla.general I have to > admit that the original poster (and perhaps others) of this thread either > don't know what product this group is about or they want to tell us we are > not existent.... FWIW, I am WELL aware of the existance of Mozilla, and am pretty danged gung-ho about it. I'm also aware that perfection (which seemed to be what the prior poster was asking for) is unattainable. Sheesh! From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:39 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Bob Crawford Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Performance still not sufficient Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 18:23:48 -0600 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 7 Message-ID: <38D96414.CE0627E0@io.com> References: <200003222124.PAA11866@mailgw00.execpc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cs9351-169.austin.rr.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf dhs@voyager.net wrote: > Do they design it to run good on a 386 Elitist! I want an 8088 port... From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:39 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Bob Crawford Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.mozilla.ui Subject: Re: The default skin Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 18:31:19 -0600 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 45 Message-ID: <38D965D7.93DD707F@io.com> References: <8bb78t$oqt$1@bob.news.rcn.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cs9351-169.austin.rr.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------2AF500619C8C04F3953199B6" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.general:17374 netscape.public.mozilla.ui:7333 --------------2AF500619C8C04F3953199B6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BB wrote: > Skins should be as easy to add and create as for Winamp Mp3 player and should > be able to have such things > as animations, moveable buttons, linked external code for extensibility. Well, it'll never be as simple as Winamp, given the sheer breadth of Mozilla, but it WILL be skinnable/extensible out the wazoo. > A text file should define the layout of the skin. It'll take a bit more than that! :^) ( Take a look in bin/chrome...) 'Course, it probably won't be long before skin-maker applications are out there... --------------2AF500619C8C04F3953199B6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BB wrote:
Skins should be as easy to add and create as for Winamp Mp3 player and should be able to have such things
as animations, moveable buttons, linked external code for extensibility.
Well, it'll never be as simple as Winamp, given the sheer breadth of Mozilla, but it WILL be skinnable/extensible out the wazoo.
 
A text file should define the layout of the skin.
It'll take a bit more than that! :^)  ( Take a look in bin/chrome...)
'Course, it probably won't be long before skin-maker applications are out there...
 
  --------------2AF500619C8C04F3953199B6-- From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:39 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Robert Kaiser Newsgroups: linux.redhat.misc,comp.infosystems.www.browsers.misc,comp.lang.java.softwaretools,comp.infosystems.www.browsers.xnetscape.public.mozilla.qa.general,netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.general Subject: Re: The Death of Netscape (greatly exaggerated) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 01:49:34 +0100 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 12 Message-ID: <38D96A1D.DD82B350@StarTrekMail.com> References: <7cqav9$k4b$1@news.xmission.com> <38D63C82.98ED6B07@netscape.com> <8b5in0$74t$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <38D875B5.D16D312C@io.com> <38D93575.ECB18997@StarTrekMail.com> <38D962EB.CC7AEF26@io.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: robert.hirsch.sth.ac.at Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [de] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: de-AT,de,en-US,en,it Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.general:17376 netscape.public.general:22652 > FWIW, I am WELL aware of the existance of Mozilla, and am pretty danged > gung-ho about it. I know, have seen some other posts of you in here ;-) > I'm also aware that perfection (which seemed to be what the > prior poster was asking for) is unattainable. > > Sheesh! YES. but Mozilla is a nice attempt to get near perfection ;-) From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:39 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: "Orrin D. Edenfield" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.mozilla.ui Subject: Re: The default skin Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 19:52:07 -0500 Organization: Neptune Network Lines: 17 Message-ID: <38D96AB6.37C0507A@dragonbbs.com> References: <8bb78t$oqt$1@bob.news.rcn.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp3053.dragonbbs.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.general:17375 netscape.public.mozilla.ui:7334 BB wrote: > The default skin for Mozilla is kind of devoid of colors and the button bar > is blah. I really wish someone could make it more colorful and get those > ugly stripes of the . Also, the progress bar should have the dark and light > sections gradient filled so it looks nicer. Skins should be as easy to add > and create as for Winamp Mp3 player and should be able to have such things > as animations, moveable buttons, linked external code for extensibility. A > text file should define the layout of the skin. Also, I think the Mozilla > animation should run all the time if toggled in prefs. (People like me that > have very very fast internet connections never see it) :( It is really cool! > -- > You wanna see the animation? Get a dial-up account like the majority of the net users out there. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:39 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: "BB" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: MOZILLA NEEDS AN EASTER EGG!!! Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 21:38:36 -0500 Lines: 21 Message-ID: <8bc0nh$2qk$1@bob.news.rcn.net> X-Trace: ODUxa8uVl90Dm8ZoQX1k4ddXHxi4tcBv3KUu6k5oNW8= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Mar 2000 02:49:21 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 Mozilla needs an Easter Egg. I recommend that if you hold click and left click on the Mozilla animation in the upper right corner of the browser and then drag it to the web address text box, MOZ will appear in the box. If you then drag the icon in that text box to the Mozilla animation, ILLA will apear in the box. Then if you press enter in the box, the easter egg will start. It will first show a short movie of godzilla attacking tokyo then it will show the credits of every person who worked on the Mozilla project and what component they worked on (only coders and people who designed graphics, etc...). If instead of hitting enter, you typed :MSPONG so the text bar said MOZILLA:MSPONG, you would play the old fashion pong from the 70's. There would only be one difference - instead of the pong ball, there would be Bill Gates's head. Anyway, every good program needs a pong Easter Egg heh heh :) -Just typing in MOZILLA wouldn't cut it. You would have to follow the steps outlined. -- From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:39 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!207.172.3.37!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: "BB" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.mozilla.ui Subject: Re: Startup screen. Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 21:42:23 -0500 Lines: 26 Message-ID: <8bc0uh$468$1@bob.news.rcn.net> References: <8bb7fk$pid$1@bob.news.rcn.net> X-Trace: qX6iOOBYVoMd7T1sDf4IymrAHqnkxQJImimNXrjs67Y= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Mar 2000 02:53:05 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.general:17379 netscape.public.mozilla.ui:7345 You still didn't answer my question. Would you take a serious look at his Mozilla startup screen if he made it (he's an EMAC student - that should say enough). -- BB wrote in message news:8bb7fk$pid$1@bob.news.rcn.net... > My friend is great at making shockwave files and would like to create a > shockwave startup screen (featuring the dinasour and fire of course) :) . If > he made it and it looked cool, would it be added to Mozilla and would he get > credit? He could make an animated GIF if a shockwave would be no good (ie > not portable), but then there could be no sound and it would have to have > 8-bit color. What do you think? If he did so(and every one liked it), could > he also make the startup screen for the commercial version? > -- > > > > From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:40 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: "BB" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.mozilla.ui Subject: Re: Startup screen. Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:11:48 -0500 Lines: 25 Message-ID: <8bc2md$fs0$1@bob.news.rcn.net> References: <8bb7fk$pid$1@bob.news.rcn.net> X-Trace: cEhWzVBmWUxGtnVptDpx7Lp6asgWIvojQ4wa6gOHY8g= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Mar 2000 03:22:53 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.general:17380 netscape.public.mozilla.ui:7348 That doesn't help. I need to know if his startup screen for Mozilla would get a serious look at. (Otherwise why make it?) -- BB wrote in message news:8bb7fk$pid$1@bob.news.rcn.net... > My friend is great at making shockwave files and would like to create a > shockwave startup screen (featuring the dinasour and fire of course) :) . If > he made it and it looked cool, would it be added to Mozilla and would he get > credit? He could make an animated GIF if a shockwave would be no good (ie > not portable), but then there could be no sound and it would have to have > 8-bit color. What do you think? If he did so(and every one liked it), could > he also make the startup screen for the commercial version? > -- > > > > From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:40 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!gateway From: dhs@voyager.net (Hall Stevenson) Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.ui,netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Startup screen. Date: 23 Mar 2000 03:41:19 GMT Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 34 Message-ID: <20000322224119.D15214@eruption.voyager.net> References: <8bb7fk$pid$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <8bc2md$fs0$1@bob.news.rcn.net> Reply-To: Hall Stevenson NNTP-Posting-Host: h-207-200-73-41.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: mozilla-general@mozilla.org, mozilla-ui@mozilla.org Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.ui:7350 netscape.public.mozilla.general:17381 "BB", There were numerous replies to your first posting. Did you not read them ?? They gave various reasons why *not* to use either Shockwave files and/or animated gifs. No offense to your friend, certainly... ;-) Regards, Hall * BB (circuitbreaker@flashmail.com) [000322 22:31]: > That doesn't help. I need to know if his startup screen for Mozilla would > get a serious look at. (Otherwise why make it?) > > -- > > > BB wrote in message > news:8bb7fk$pid$1@bob.news.rcn.net... > > My friend is great at making shockwave files and would like to create a > > shockwave startup screen (featuring the dinasour and fire of course) :) . > If > > he made it and it looked cool, would it be added to Mozilla and would he > get > > credit? He could make an animated GIF if a shockwave would be no good (ie > > not portable), but then there could be no sound and it would have to have > > 8-bit color. What do you think? If he did so(and every one liked it), > could > > he also make the startup screen for the commercial version? > > -- > > From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:40 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!gateway From: mWare@Ottawa.com (Mike Geiger) Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Question: regarding mail and display of headers Date: 23 Mar 2000 03:43:03 GMT Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 21 Message-ID: <38D992C7.9CAF10B@Ottawa.com> References: <38D7D704.94E65F31@fire-eyes.yi.org> <38D7DE48.9040708@null.any> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-207-200-73-41.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit CC: mozilla-general@mozilla.org but view source will show them all Jay Garcia wrote: > fire-eyes wrote: > > > In mail on mozilla M14, how do I enable viewing of full headers? I see > > it under the View menu, however it is grayed out. > > > > ** Please email responses ** > > > > [EOF] > > The feature hasn't been enabled yet > > Jay > > -- > *** Posted With Mozilla 5.0 / Build 2000032011 *** From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:40 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feeder.via.net!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.il.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Sender: mharnois@mharnois.workgroup.net Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Performance still not sufficient References: <38CA042D.928338FC@t-online.de> <38D7CF94.E2536A26@fire-eyes.yi.org> <38D822A2.8756681A@dragonbbs.com> <38D916F7.E03AB7AB@woh.rr.com> <38D93180.9AAA4541@StarTrekMail.com> From: Michael Harnois Message-ID: <877leupcpq.fsf@mharnois.workgroup.net> Lines: 19 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0804 (Gnus v5.8.4) XEmacs/21.2 (Iris) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 03:49:52 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.14.126.45 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.il.home.com 953783392 24.14.126.45 (Wed, 22 Mar 2000 19:49:52 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 19:49:52 PST Organization: @Home Network On Wed, 22 Mar 2000 21:48:00 +0100, Robert Kaiser said: > Just one word: Asa Dotzler won his "Methodical Man" Award at > MozillaZine ("for his great work organizing Bug Day, maintaining > Brower general bugs, and helping novice bug reporters become > experienced Bugzilla users.") using a P100/16 MB RAM/600 MB > HDD!!! He must either 1) be an extraordinarily patient man or 2) have nothing better to do. I didn't even know the performance of Mozilla was *supposed* to be acceptable at this stage of its development until I read this thread. I'm on a Celeron 433 with 96MB of RAM and the speed of the current build is way, way far from acceptable. Not even in sight of the speed of the current Netscape. Even with debug disabled. -- Michael D. Harnois, Redeemer Lutheran Church, Washburn, IA mdharnois@home.com aa0bt@aa0bt.ampr.org Never invoke the gods unless you really want them to appear. It annoys them very much. -- G.K. Chesterton From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:40 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Mark Anderson Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Performance still not sufficient Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:37:56 -0600 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 17 Message-ID: <38D99FA4.CA2E94B0@luther.edu> References: <200003222124.PAA11866@mailgw00.execpc.com> <38D94CF1.C14B5199@dragonbbs.com> Reply-To: andersma@luther.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: p012.cgmo.socket.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en > This performance thing has to be fixed. Mozilla would be great (on the > performance scale) if it still used the same ol' rendering. I understand > why (on a broad scale) it isn't using it... I just hope Netscape/AOL > (or someone else...*branded*) will make a version with the same features > except with the old rendering. It still uses the same rendering engine. And the fact that it's even remotely responsive when it's asked to render the entire UI is a testament to just how much Gecko kicks ass. Really, there is no "old rendering". Viewer.exe is close to what you mean, but from the beginning of the rewrite of Mozilla (the decision that led to the scrapping of MozClassic) Gecko has been pegged to render the thing. If that decision hadn't been made, Netscape would not be supporting Mac or Linux itself, and it's almost certain neither platform would be getting any reasonable amount of attention. Besides, native interfaces are so 1990's. :) From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:40 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Mark Anderson Newsgroups: linux.redhat.misc,comp.infosystems.www.browsers.misc,comp.lang.java.softwaretools,comp.infosystems.www.browsers.xnetscape.public.mozilla.qa.general,netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: The Death of Netscape (greatly exaggerated) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:41:02 -0600 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 4 Message-ID: <38D9A05E.4C9F4906@luther.edu> References: <7cqav9$k4b$1@news.xmission.com> <38D63C82.98ED6B07@netscape.com> <8b5in0$74t$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <38D875B5.D16D312C@io.com> <38D93575.ECB18997@StarTrekMail.com> <38D962EB.CC7AEF26@io.com> Reply-To: andersma@luther.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: p012.cgmo.socket.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en > No, Moz is just the most nearly XPlat thing around Nah. That's Jazilla. 100% platform agnostic. :) (And yes, as a helper on Jazilla, this is a plug. ;) ) From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:40 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!news.eecs.umich.edu!news.itd.umich.edu!not-for-mail From: "Jim Ross" Newsgroups: linux.redhat.misc,comp.infosystems.www.browsers.misc,comp.lang.java.softwaretools,comp.infosystems.www.browsers.xnetscape.public.mozilla.qa.general,netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.general References: <7cqav9$k4b$1@news.xmission.com> <38D63C82.98ED6B07@netscape.com> <8b5in0$74t$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <38D875B5.D16D312C@io.com> <38D93575.ECB18997@StarTrekMail.com> Subject: Re: The Death of Netscape Lines: 26 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 23:45:45 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.110.144.127 X-Trace: news.itd.umich.edu 953786704 198.110.144.127 (Wed, 22 Mar 2000 23:45:04 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 23:45:04 EST Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.general:17390 netscape.public.general:22661 Robert Kaiser wrote in message news:38D93575.ECB18997@StarTrekMail.com... > > Other than those packages, true x-plat does not exist yet. > > What about MOZILLA (www.mozilla.org) ??? > > It IS cross-platform (at least 97% of the code are...) and so NETSCAPE 6.0 > (there will be no 5.0) will be XP, too.... > > Robert Kaiser > > P.S.: as this is also posted to netscape.public.mozilla.general I have to > admit that the original poster (and perhaps others) of this thread either > don't know what product this group is about or they want to tell us we are > not existent.... > Not only isn't Mozilla done, is has some issues such as frames don't work correctly, and the memory usage is insane in both Windows and Linux. The rendering quality is better, but the browser situation in Linux isn't very good. Opera is very poor as of now. Jim From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:40 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ70!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Kevin C. Kelly" Newsgroups: linux.redhat.misc,comp.lang.java.softwaretools,netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.general Subject: Re: The Death of Netscape Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:47:19 -0600 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 56 Message-ID: <38D9A1D6.C2B8813D@dallas.net> References: <7cqav9$k4b$1@news.xmission.com> <38D63C82.98ED6B07@netscape.com> <8b5in0$74t$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <38d7c348_1@news.intensive.net> <38D6C50C.17D2810C@student.auckland.ac.nz> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.general:17386 netscape.public.general:22660 I had the same problems on WinNT after an update to service pack 4. After some time I wiped my hard drives clean to fix a different problem. Reinstalled NT with service pack 6a, with all the updates to Internet Explorer and the other Microsoft garbage( "technical jargon"), THEN installed Netscape 4.7. Drastic actions for sure, but I have not had any problems since. Lindsay Hill wrote: > I agree. We use netscape 4.7 here at uni, and as soon as it hits a page > with Java, it crashes. Javascript doesn't seem to be so much of a > problem though > > Diehard Duck wrote: > > > > Or just turn off Java. > > > > "You took the word right out of my mouth" > > > > - DD > > > > > > > > Gregm > > > > > > > > > cory neff wrote in message > > > news:38D63C82.98ED6B07@netscape.com... > > > > Well it looks like you shouldn't even be using a computer. > > > > Try an TI machine.. > > > > > > > > Astro Monk wrote: > > > > > > > > > Does anyone know of a decent browser that I can > > > > > use on multiple platforms and expect it to work the > > > > > same? Do not even mention Netscape or any Microsoft > > > > > product. I do not know how Netscape can release such > > > > > a buggy product. I hate Microsoft but I hope they > > > > > blast Netscape into oblivion out of existence. > > > > > > > > > > I have had it with Netscape. It has crashed for the last > > > > > time (Linux, Solaris, NT) all ports suck. > > > > > > > > > > I have used Netscape extensively since the beginning of time > > > > > but have lost my patience with this piece of crap infecting > > > > > my system. It consistently hangs on my RedHat system > > > > > at work and home (5.1 and 5.2) I don't do windows so is there > > > > > anything else out there that is reliable on Linux/UNIX? > > > > > I would prefer a place that I can get binaries for RedHat, > > > > > Solaris x86, Solaris Sparc etc. > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:40 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.eecs.umich.edu!news.itd.umich.edu!not-for-mail From: "Jim Ross" Newsgroups: linux.redhat.misc,netscape.public.mozilla.general References: <7cqav9$k4b$1@news.xmission.com> <38D63C82.98ED6B07@netscape.com> <8b5in0$74t$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <38d7c348_1@news.intensive.net> <38D6C50C.17D2810C@student.auckland.ac.nz> <38D6D93E.F8139584@StarTrekMail.com> <38D95372.526F8CB7@helsinki.fi> <8bbmge$sd92@secnews.netscape.com> Subject: Re: The Death of Netscape Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 23:47:23 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.110.144.127 X-Trace: news.itd.umich.edu 953786802 198.110.144.127 (Wed, 22 Mar 2000 23:46:42 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 23:46:42 EST wrote in message news:8bbmge$sd92@secnews.netscape.com... > Sini M?kel? wrote: > : recommended to somebody already fed up with Netscape crashing. Mozilla > : crashes about every 15 minutes, when Netscape crashes "only" once or > > Have you made any attempt to report these bugs? Or do you expect the Mozilla > developers to just magically know when and how it crashes on you? > > -- > Brandon Hume - hume -> BOFH.Halifax.NS.Ca, http://WWW.BOFH.Halifax.NS.Ca/ > -> Solaris Snob and general NOCMonkey That's what full-circle is right? Magically sending crash info back to Mozilla developers. Besides, they eat their own Dogfood. They know at least as well as normal users do how good/bad Mozilla is. Jim From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:40 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!gateway From: slucy@objectivesw.co.uk (Simon P. Lucy) Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: RE: MOZILLA NEEDS AN EASTER EGG!!! Date: 23 Mar 2000 04:48:37 GMT Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 35 Message-ID: References: <8bc0nh$2qk$1@bob.news.rcn.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-207-200-73-41.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: "BB" , Go ahead and do it then Simon P. Lucy Objective 2000 Ltd -----Original Message----- From: BB [mailto:circuitbreaker@flashmail.com] Sent: 23 March 2000 02:39 To: mozilla-general@mozilla.org Subject: MOZILLA NEEDS AN EASTER EGG!!! Mozilla needs an Easter Egg. I recommend that if you hold click and left click on the Mozilla animation in the upper right corner of the browser and then drag it to the web address text box, MOZ will appear in the box. If you then drag the icon in that text box to the Mozilla animation, ILLA will apear in the box. Then if you press enter in the box, the easter egg will start. It will first show a short movie of godzilla attacking tokyo then it will show the credits of every person who worked on the Mozilla project and what component they worked on (only coders and people who designed graphics, etc...). If instead of hitting enter, you typed :MSPONG so the text bar said MOZILLA:MSPONG, you would play the old fashion pong from the 70's. There would only be one difference - instead of the pong ball, there would be Bill Gates's head. Anyway, every good program needs a pong Easter Egg heh heh :) -Just typing in MOZILLA wouldn't cut it. You would have to follow the steps outlined. -- From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:40 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.eecs.umich.edu!news.itd.umich.edu!not-for-mail From: "Jim Ross" Newsgroups: linux.redhat.misc,comp.infosystems.www.browsers.misc,comp.lang.java.softwaretools,comp.infosystems.www.browsers.xnetscape.public.mozilla.qa.general,netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.general References: <7cqav9$k4b$1@news.xmission.com> <38D63C82.98ED6B07@netscape.com> <8b5in0$74t$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <38D875B5.D16D312C@io.com> <38D93575.ECB18997@StarTrekMail.com> <38D962EB.CC7AEF26@io.com> <38D96A1D.DD82B350@StarTrekMail.com> Subject: Re: The Death of Netscape (greatly exaggerated) Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 23:49:04 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.110.144.127 X-Trace: news.itd.umich.edu 953786903 198.110.144.127 (Wed, 22 Mar 2000 23:48:23 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 23:48:23 EST Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.general:17392 netscape.public.general:22662 Robert Kaiser wrote in message news:38D96A1D.DD82B350@StarTrekMail.com... > > FWIW, I am WELL aware of the existance of Mozilla, and am pretty danged > > gung-ho about it. > > I know, have seen some other posts of you in here ;-) > > > I'm also aware that perfection (which seemed to be what the > > prior poster was asking for) is unattainable. > > > > Sheesh! > > YES. but Mozilla is a nice attempt to get near perfection ;-) Mozilla puts Netscape back in the ball-game at least, where I feel Netscape isn't anymore. Jim From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:40 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Scott I. Remick Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Performance still not sufficient Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 23:53:27 -0500 Organization: Computer Alternatives, Inc. Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: <200003222124.PAA11866@mailgw00.execpc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.41.29.100 X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.20 In article <200003222124.PAA11866@mailgw00.execpc.com>, dhs@voyager.net says... > I understand your dilemna and yes, too often, people's reply is simply > "get a faster PC." But at the same time, what do Mozilla developers do > ?? How far back, hardware-wise, do you build this application for ?? > Same with other developers... Do they design it to run good on a 386 > (of course, just think how that would run "modern" machines!) ?? If I remember correctly, one of the whole goals of Mozilla was to come out with a clean, lean, and mean browser that was SMALLER, required LESS RAM and HARD DRIVE SPACE, and was FASTER. Wouldn't this then imply BETTER performance on older systems than Communicator 4.x? But this is not the case. I run Mozilla on a Celeron 300 with 128MB of RAM, and the rendering and UI is WAY doggy when compared to Communicator 4.x or IE5. Not that I'd ever use IE5, but I have it for testing. And the fact remains... Mozilla wants the Gecko engine to be used in all sorts of internet-enabled devices like cell-phones and so on. I'm sorry, but if Mozilla doesn't kick ass on a Pentium 75, then it's not going to be a pleasant experience running it on the processor that'd be inside of a cell phone. Not to be a pessimist... I continue to use Mozilla and advocate it heavily. But I'm discouraged by the lack of focus on performance. ----------------------- Scott I. Remick scott@computeralt.com Network and Information (802)388-7545 ext. 236 Systems Manager FAX:(802)388-3697 Computer Alternatives, Inc. http://www.computeralt.com From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:40 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Scott I. Remick Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Crypto in nightlies? Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 23:55:38 -0500 Organization: Computer Alternatives, Inc. Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <38D66379.DD79A50E@lemnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.41.29.100 X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.20 In article <38D66379.DD79A50E@lemnet.com>, ian@lemnet.com says... > "Scott I. Remick" wrote: > > > Just checking in... do any of the nightlies contain crypto yet? This > > would include the Netscape nb1b builds. I'm still running M14. > > > > Thanks > > I think they do, when combined with the Netscape crypto binaries of > course. Not working with today's or yesterday's nightly. :( I'd rather not go back to M14. Of course, the nightlies don't have Talkback either... so all my (many) crashes aren't accomplishing much... ----------------------- Scott I. Remick scott@computeralt.com Network and Information (802)388-7545 ext. 236 Systems Manager FAX:(802)388-3697 Computer Alternatives, Inc. http://www.computeralt.com From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:40 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Daniel Veditz Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Question: regarding mail and display of headers Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 21:16:46 -0800 Organization: Speaking only for myself Lines: 14 Message-ID: <38D9A8BE.B342B91@netscape.com> References: <38D7D704.94E65F31@fire-eyes.yi.org> <38D7DE48.9040708@null.any> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-205-217-240-71.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Jay Garcia wrote: > > fire-eyes wrote: > > > In mail on mozilla M14, how do I enable viewing of full headers? I see > > it under the View menu, however it is grayed out. > > > > ** Please email responses ** > > The feature hasn't been enabled yet You can use "view source" in the meantime to see all the gory details. -Dan Veditz From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:40 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Daniel Veditz Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Netscape beta...I'm a nuisance, I know...but... Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 21:25:22 -0800 Organization: Speaking only for myself Lines: 13 Message-ID: <38D9AAC2.56CBE074@netscape.com> References: <000501bf9488$a9ae51a0$914cfea9@mozilla> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-205-217-240-71.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Stephen Donner wrote: > > The Mozilla.org beta and the Netscape beta will be seperate, but is the > timing going to coincide closely? The reason I ask is, the Netscape team > has determined that there are 3 PDT+ bugs, and yet Mozilla itself lists a > much larger number. I realize that even M14 shipped with over 300 open > bugs.. My impression is that mozilla.org is trying to do more the "right thing", so they won't call it beta until it's feature complete. Netscape, in fact, is technically not calling this a "beta", it's a "Preview Release". -Dan Veditz From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:40 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Daniel Veditz Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Performance still not sufficient Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 21:41:25 -0800 Organization: Speaking only for myself Lines: 20 Message-ID: <38D9AE85.D3D97A90@netscape.com> References: <38CA042D.928338FC@t-online.de> <38D7CF94.E2536A26@fire-eyes.yi.org> <38D822A2.8756681A@dragonbbs.com> <38D92B47.2BD20978@fire-eyes.yi.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-205-217-240-71.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en fire-eyes wrote: > > "Orrin D. Edenfield" wrote: > > > Ok, you wanna hear something pathetic? Try using Mozilla on a P75 system with 24 > > megs or RAM. I wait a bout 10- 15 seconds for Netscape 4.5 to start up.. but then > > it moves along quit good. > > What irritates me the most is when people tell us to 'just get a new > computer'... Doesn't that make you angry? I don't know about you but > just whipping out us$800 - 4,000 and plopping it on a new system without > a second thought isn't possible for me. No one officially speaking for Netscape is telling customers to get new computers. We know we have to run well on what's out there in order to succeed. (well, maybe you ought to replace that P75 :-) ) -Dan Veditz From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:40 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Chuck Simmons Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Performance still not sufficient Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:56:26 -0700 Organization: You jest. Lines: 37 Message-ID: <38D9B20A.F01EE819@webaccess.net> References: <38CA042D.928338FC@t-online.de> <38D7CF94.E2536A26@fire-eyes.yi.org> <38D822A2.8756681A@dragonbbs.com> <38D92B47.2BD20978@fire-eyes.yi.org> <38D9AE85.D3D97A90@netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cs157.webaccess.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.0.33 i586) X-Accept-Language: en Daniel Veditz wrote: > > fire-eyes wrote: > > > > "Orrin D. Edenfield" wrote: > > > > > Ok, you wanna hear something pathetic? Try using Mozilla on a P75 system with 24 > > > megs or RAM. I wait a bout 10- 15 seconds for Netscape 4.5 to start up.. but then > > > it moves along quit good. > > > > What irritates me the most is when people tell us to 'just get a new > > computer'... Doesn't that make you angry? I don't know about you but > > just whipping out us$800 - 4,000 and plopping it on a new system without > > a second thought isn't possible for me. > > No one officially speaking for Netscape is telling customers to get new > computers. We know we have to run well on what's out there in order to > succeed. > > (well, maybe you ought to replace that P75 :-) ) > > -Dan Veditz I don't know. People today are too much into instant gratification. I have a 486DX2-66 that runs 4.61 quite happily if a little slowly. The lighter weight Mozilla should run a bit better. It is sobering to realize that the main machine on my network is blazingly fast compared to many machines I used in the 1980's (P150) and when I check process use, top is almost always the biggest cpu use process (X will perk up if I wiggle the mouse)! Chuck -- ... The times have been, That, when the brains were out, the man would die. ... Macbeth Chuck Simmons chrlsim@webaccess.net From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:40 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Daniel Veditz Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.ui,netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Startup screen. Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:09:41 -0800 Organization: Speaking only for myself Lines: 37 Message-ID: <38D9B525.32C3BE39@netscape.com> References: <8bb7fk$pid$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <8bc2md$fs0$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <20000322224119.D15214@eruption.voyager.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-205-217-240-71.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.ui:7358 netscape.public.mozilla.general:17398 It'd make a great easter egg, though. -Dan Veditz Hall Stevenson wrote: > > "BB", > > There were numerous replies to your first posting. Did you not read them > ?? They gave various reasons why *not* to use either Shockwave files > and/or animated gifs. > > No offense to your friend, certainly... ;-) > > Regards, > Hall > > * BB (circuitbreaker@flashmail.com) [000322 22:31]: > > That doesn't help. I need to know if his startup screen for Mozilla would > > get a serious look at. (Otherwise why make it?) > > > > -- > > > > > > BB wrote in message > > news:8bb7fk$pid$1@bob.news.rcn.net... > > > My friend is great at making shockwave files and would like to create a > > > shockwave startup screen (featuring the dinasour and fire of course) :) . > > If > > > he made it and it looked cool, would it be added to Mozilla and would he > > get > > > credit? He could make an animated GIF if a shockwave would be no good (ie > > > not portable), but then there could be no sound and it would have to have > > > 8-bit color. What do you think? If he did so(and every one liked it), > > could > > > he also make the startup screen for the commercial version? > > > -- > > > From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:40 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Daniel Veditz Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Mozilla M14 reproducable crashes Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:46:32 -0800 Organization: Speaking only for myself Lines: 26 Message-ID: <38D9BDC8.68488F04@netscape.com> References: <38D9293C.5B719D3F@fire-eyes.yi.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-205-217-240-71.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en fire-eyes wrote: > > I am running mozilla M14 on slackware7 with kernel 2.2.13 , glibc. > > I have java off, java script on, cookies off. > > by going to http://www.comcast.com , I was able to get mozilla to crash > SIX times in a row. > > Anyone have any idea whats up? > > I sent in a talkback report each time. It'd be cool if you also wrote a bug report in http://bugzilla.mozilla.org We attack problems reported each way differently. Talkback tells us where the program was executing when it crashed, so we can look at the code to check for problems. But it isn't always obvious where the data came from that was causing the problem. If you have an easily reproducable crash like this it's usually easier to fix from a bug report. It's the difference between being able to work on a car in the shop and trying to piece together what happened from snapshots of a gruesome crime scene. -Dan Veditz From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:40 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!gateway From: slucy@objectivesw.co.uk (Simon P. Lucy) Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: RE: XUL? Date: 23 Mar 2000 06:52:53 GMT Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <38D95D26.B64CCE4C@student.econ.cbs.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-207-200-73-41.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: "Henrik Lynggaard" , There.is.only.xul Simon P. Lucy Objective 2000 Ltd -----Original Message----- From: Henrik Lynggaard [mailto:heha97ad@student.econ.cbs.dk] Sent: 22 March 2000 23:51 To: mozilla-general@mozilla.org Subject: Re: XUL? Keith Bowes wrote: > Does anybody have evidence that XUL really exists? I, for one, don't think > it does; it's a conspiracy, I tell you! ./chrome//content/default/ *.xul From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:40 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!gateway From: slucy@objectivesw.co.uk (Simon P. Lucy) Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: RE: Netscape beta...I'm a nuisance, I know...but... Date: 23 Mar 2000 06:53:54 GMT Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: <38D9AAC2.56CBE074@netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-207-200-73-41.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: "Daniel Veditz" , It could be worse, they could call it a Marketing Release Simon P. Lucy Objective 2000 Ltd -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Veditz [mailto:dveditz@netscape.com] Sent: 23 March 2000 05:25 To: mozilla-general@mozilla.org Subject: Re: Netscape beta...I'm a nuisance, I know...but... Stephen Donner wrote: > > The Mozilla.org beta and the Netscape beta will be seperate, but is the > timing going to coincide closely? The reason I ask is, the Netscape team > has determined that there are 3 PDT+ bugs, and yet Mozilla itself lists a > much larger number. I realize that even M14 shipped with over 300 open > bugs.. My impression is that mozilla.org is trying to do more the "right thing", so they won't call it beta until it's feature complete. Netscape, in fact, is technically not calling this a "beta", it's a "Preview Release". -Dan Veditz From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:40 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: "BB" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: MOZILLA NEEDS AN EASTER EGG!!! Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 03:41:35 -0500 Lines: 56 Message-ID: <8bcm2m$asq$1@bob.news.rcn.net> References: <8bc0nh$2qk$1@bob.news.rcn.net> X-Trace: t2gW/Jr0kCNaGq+M4vAz3kMdGe2iKjqEjUBBzpLA4yQ= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Mar 2000 08:53:42 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I could write the code for the Easter Egg, but unfortunately, I would have to make it a seperate program and wouldn't be able to link it in and it wouldn't be OS independent. I don't know how to write Mozilla code at the moment. I wanna learn. -- Simon P. Lucy wrote in message news:NDBBKCHPOLIFGMMDBANOCEPECPAA.slucy@objectivesw.co.uk... > Go ahead and do it then > > Simon P. Lucy > Objective 2000 Ltd > > -----Original Message----- > From: BB [mailto:circuitbreaker@flashmail.com] > Sent: 23 March 2000 02:39 > To: mozilla-general@mozilla.org > Subject: MOZILLA NEEDS AN EASTER EGG!!! > > Mozilla needs an Easter Egg. I recommend that if you hold click and left > click on the Mozilla animation in the upper right corner of the browser and > then drag it to the web address text box, MOZ will appear in the box. If you > then drag the icon in that text box to the Mozilla animation, ILLA will > apear in the box. Then if you press enter in the box, the easter egg will > start. It will first show a short movie of godzilla attacking tokyo then it > will show the credits of every person who worked on the Mozilla project and > what component they worked on (only coders and people who designed graphics, > etc...). If instead of hitting enter, you typed :MSPONG so the text bar said > MOZILLA:MSPONG, you would play the old fashion pong from the 70's. There > would only be one difference - instead of the pong ball, there would be Bill > Gates's head. Anyway, every good program needs a pong Easter Egg heh heh :) > > -Just typing in MOZILLA wouldn't cut it. You would have to follow the steps > outlined. > > -- > > > > > > > From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:40 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: "BB" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: MOZILLA NEEDS AN EASTER EGG!!! Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 03:42:59 -0500 Lines: 53 Message-ID: <8bcm5e$b20$1@bob.news.rcn.net> References: <8bc0nh$2qk$1@bob.news.rcn.net> X-Trace: t2gW/Jr0kCNww4Sx0NQCmioom7tfsevglyfV10EJTak= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Mar 2000 08:55:10 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Come on, you had to think the Bill Gates idea was cute :) -- Simon P. Lucy wrote in message news:NDBBKCHPOLIFGMMDBANOCEPECPAA.slucy@objectivesw.co.uk... > Go ahead and do it then > > Simon P. Lucy > Objective 2000 Ltd > > -----Original Message----- > From: BB [mailto:circuitbreaker@flashmail.com] > Sent: 23 March 2000 02:39 > To: mozilla-general@mozilla.org > Subject: MOZILLA NEEDS AN EASTER EGG!!! > > Mozilla needs an Easter Egg. I recommend that if you hold click and left > click on the Mozilla animation in the upper right corner of the browser and > then drag it to the web address text box, MOZ will appear in the box. If you > then drag the icon in that text box to the Mozilla animation, ILLA will > apear in the box. Then if you press enter in the box, the easter egg will > start. It will first show a short movie of godzilla attacking tokyo then it > will show the credits of every person who worked on the Mozilla project and > what component they worked on (only coders and people who designed graphics, > etc...). If instead of hitting enter, you typed :MSPONG so the text bar said > MOZILLA:MSPONG, you would play the old fashion pong from the 70's. There > would only be one difference - instead of the pong ball, there would be Bill > Gates's head. Anyway, every good program needs a pong Easter Egg heh heh :) > > -Just typing in MOZILLA wouldn't cut it. You would have to follow the steps > outlined. > > -- > > > > > > > From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:40 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: "BB" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Clarification Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 03:43:52 -0500 Lines: 40 Message-ID: <8bcm6v$b4c$1@bob.news.rcn.net> References: <8bc0nh$2qk$1@bob.news.rcn.net> X-Trace: PKTf2D8U6PrYWMPKId4UbFONSTJRM6DGBjXdpasmghM= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Mar 2000 08:55:59 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 The Godzilla movie would be an actual black and white old Godzilla movie part. -- BB wrote in message news:8bc0nh$2qk$1@bob.news.rcn.net... > Mozilla needs an Easter Egg. I recommend that if you hold click and left > click on the Mozilla animation in the upper right corner of the browser and > then drag it to the web address text box, MOZ will appear in the box. If you > then drag the icon in that text box to the Mozilla animation, ILLA will > apear in the box. Then if you press enter in the box, the easter egg will > start. It will first show a short movie of godzilla attacking tokyo then it > will show the credits of every person who worked on the Mozilla project and > what component they worked on (only coders and people who designed graphics, > etc...). If instead of hitting enter, you typed :MSPONG so the text bar said > MOZILLA:MSPONG, you would play the old fashion pong from the 70's. There > would only be one difference - instead of the pong ball, there would be Bill > Gates's head. Anyway, every good program needs a pong Easter Egg heh heh :) > > -Just typing in MOZILLA wouldn't cut it. You would have to follow the steps > outlined. > > -- > > > > From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:40 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: "BB" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.mozilla.ui Subject: Re: Startup screen. Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 03:46:25 -0500 Lines: 36 Message-ID: <8bcmbp$bep$1@bob.news.rcn.net> References: <8bb7fk$pid$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <38D93E02.2090702@gmx.net> <8bbijh$vvf$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8bbjjh$sde1@secnews.netscape.com> X-Trace: PKTf2D8U6PoMA0Y/4CajaBhm+xO4CElIYvumhrWDG1E= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Mar 2000 08:58:33 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.general:17405 netscape.public.mozilla.ui:7364 I see an old broken down trash hauler with a close up of a light house as it passes by :) -- Stephen Donner wrote in message news:8bbjjh$sde1@secnews.netscape.com... > It's either gonna be a lighthouse or a captain's wheel or a compass. > > I prefer the lighthouse.. > > Dan203 wrote in message > news:8bbijh$vvf$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > > In article <38D93E02.2090702@gmx.net>, > > Thomas wrote: > > > > >> What do you think? If he did so(and every one liked it), could > > >> he also make the startup screen for the commercial version? > > > > > > hmmm....let me think.....no? > > > > I agree! If this feature does somehow make it into Mozilla I see > > Netscape using a Castle Rock Entertainment style start up, where the > > lighthouse actually spins and flashes light across the screen > > (http://www.castle-rock.com/). > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy. > > > > > > From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:40 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: "BB" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.ui,netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Startup screen. Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 03:50:42 -0500 Lines: 59 Message-ID: <8bcmjs$bru$1@bob.news.rcn.net> References: <8bb7fk$pid$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <8bc2md$fs0$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <20000322224119.D15214@eruption.voyager.net> <38D9B525.32C3BE39@netscape.com> X-Trace: xbgd9yufhzUd47iDl/OvMsosZouBpgfS4NXiDo++z84= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Mar 2000 09:02:52 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.ui:7365 netscape.public.mozilla.general:17406 On the last milestone, we should go crazy with easter eggs heh heh. I don't understand how the first person's sarcastic response and the other people talking about the Communicator startup have anything to do with the Mozilla startup. Mozilla and Communicator are two different software. Mozilla will be freeware, and communicator will be commercial/fee. I don't understand what is wrong with animated GIFs, Flash, AVIs or anything else in the splash screen. Please explain. Thank you. -- Daniel Veditz wrote in message news:38D9B525.32C3BE39@netscape.com... > It'd make a great easter egg, though. > -Dan Veditz > > Hall Stevenson wrote: > > > > "BB", > > > > There were numerous replies to your first posting. Did you not read them > > ?? They gave various reasons why *not* to use either Shockwave files > > and/or animated gifs. > > > > No offense to your friend, certainly... ;-) > > > > Regards, > > Hall > > > > * BB (circuitbreaker@flashmail.com) [000322 22:31]: > > > That doesn't help. I need to know if his startup screen for Mozilla would > > > get a serious look at. (Otherwise why make it?) > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > BB wrote in message > > > news:8bb7fk$pid$1@bob.news.rcn.net... > > > > My friend is great at making shockwave files and would like to create a > > > > shockwave startup screen (featuring the dinasour and fire of course) :) . > > > If > > > > he made it and it looked cool, would it be added to Mozilla and would he > > > get > > > > credit? He could make an animated GIF if a shockwave would be no good (ie > > > > not portable), but then there could be no sound and it would have to have > > > > 8-bit color. What do you think? If he did so(and every one liked it), > > > could > > > > he also make the startup screen for the commercial version? > > > > -- > > > > From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:40 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: "BB" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.mozilla.ui Subject: Re: The default skin Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 03:52:13 -0500 Lines: 35 Message-ID: <8bcmmn$c1i$1@bob.news.rcn.net> References: <8bb78t$oqt$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <38D96AB6.37C0507A@dragonbbs.com> X-Trace: F2M7LrqeMrNpSqHdS5q1g0iGSDQCvQJaND/KZsvXbzQ= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Mar 2000 09:04:23 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.general:17407 netscape.public.mozilla.ui:7366 No thank you :) -- Orrin D. Edenfield wrote in message news:38D96AB6.37C0507A@dragonbbs.com... > BB wrote: > > > The default skin for Mozilla is kind of devoid of colors and the button bar > > is blah. I really wish someone could make it more colorful and get those > > ugly stripes of the . Also, the progress bar should have the dark and light > > sections gradient filled so it looks nicer. Skins should be as easy to add > > and create as for Winamp Mp3 player and should be able to have such things > > as animations, moveable buttons, linked external code for extensibility. A > > text file should define the layout of the skin. Also, I think the Mozilla > > animation should run all the time if toggled in prefs. (People like me that > > have very very fast internet connections never see it) :( It is really cool! > > -- > > > > You wanna see the animation? Get a dial-up account like the majority of the net > users out there. > From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:40 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: "BB" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.mozilla.ui Subject: Re: The default skin Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 03:57:22 -0500 Lines: 100 Message-ID: <8bcn0d$cks$1@bob.news.rcn.net> References: <8bb78t$oqt$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <38D965D7.93DD707F@io.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006B_01BF947B.E4A881C0" X-Trace: 2Gcgalz7wtRBmEPy0Ns2jfVdql0PkTg6l2NZ6dBFi08= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Mar 2000 09:09:33 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.general:17408 netscape.public.mozilla.ui:7367 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006B_01BF947B.E4A881C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Somehow my post got lost. If you look at the old versions of Winamp, it = used text files (telling the bmp to use and where to put them and what = their outline would be, etc. for skins. Using one file for skins is a = new thing. I'm all for that as long as Mozilla has included editing = (including compiling, decompiling) tools so that people can edit an = already existing skin to personalize it for themselves. Otherwise, leave = it as a text. There should NOT be a program that visually edits skins. = Are you kidding? Instead, it should be done in text files and then = compiled (along with graphics) or placing the text files and all the = graphics files directly into the chrome directory. That is how skins = usually are done. --=20 Bob Crawford wrote in message = news:38D965D7.93DD707F@io.com... BB wrote:=20 Skins should be as easy to add and create as for Winamp Mp3 player = and should be able to have such things=20 as animations, moveable buttons, linked external code for = extensibility. Well, it'll never be as simple as Winamp, given the sheer breadth of = Mozilla, but it WILL be skinnable/extensible out the wazoo.=20 =20 A text file should define the layout of the skin. It'll take a bit more than that! :^) ( Take a look in bin/chrome...)=20 'Course, it probably won't be long before skin-maker applications are = out there...=20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_006B_01BF947B.E4A881C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Somehow my post got lost. If you look = at the old=20 versions of Winamp, it used text files (telling the bmp to use and = where to=20 put them and what their outline would be, etc. for skins. Using one file = for=20 skins is a new thing. I'm all for that as long as Mozilla has included = editing=20 (including compiling, decompiling) tools so that people can edit an = already=20 existing skin to personalize it for themselves. Otherwise, leave it as a = text.=20 There should NOT be a program that visually edits skins. Are you = kidding?=20 Instead, it should be done in text files and then compiled (along with = graphics)=20 or placing the text files and all the graphics files directly into the = chrome=20 directory. That is how skins usually are done.

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Bob Crawford <crawdad@io.com>=20 wrote in message news:38D965D7.93DD707F@io.com.= ..
BB=20 wrote:=20
Skins should be as easy to add and create as = for=20 Winamp Mp3 player and should be able to have such things
as = animations,=20 moveable buttons, linked external code for = extensibility.
Well,=20 it'll never be as simple as Winamp, given the sheer breadth of = Mozilla, but it=20 WILL be skinnable/extensible out the wazoo.
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A text file should define the layout of the=20 skin.
It'll take a bit more than that! :^)  = ( Take a=20 look in bin/chrome...)
'Course, it probably won't be long before=20 skin-maker applications are out there...
 
 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_006B_01BF947B.E4A881C0-- From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:40 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: "Keith Bowes" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: XUL? Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 04:20:27 -0500 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 26 Message-ID: <8bco0b$3fc1@secnews.netscape.com> References: <8ba8br$liv1@secnews.netscape.com> <38D95D26.B64CCE4C@student.econ.cbs.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208-26-98-36.inetone.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 "Henrik Lynggaard" wrote in message news:38D95D26.B64CCE4C@student.econ.cbs.dk... > > > Keith Bowes wrote: > > > Does anybody have evidence that XUL really exists? I, for one, don't think > > it does; it's a conspiracy, I tell you! > > ./chrome//content/default/ *.xul > > I was just kidding, of course. I don't really think XUL is a conspiracy (although, I'm not going to say it's not). It's just that I personally have had no luck making changes to the XUL files do anything. Is there perhaps a URL that shows an example of changing a XUL file to change some attribute of the browser chrome? I need a real example. The example should tell me which file to edit, what to change, what the changes do, how to make the changes take effect, etc.- the works. Thanks for your time. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:40 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!gateway From: slucy@objectivesw.co.uk (Simon P. Lucy) Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: RE: MOZILLA NEEDS AN EASTER EGG!!! Date: 23 Mar 2000 09:29:10 GMT Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 67 Message-ID: References: <8bcm5e$b20$1@bob.news.rcn.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-207-200-73-41.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: "BB" , You misunderstood acceptance for cynicism. :) Simon P. Lucy Objective 2000 Ltd -----Original Message----- From: BB [mailto:circuitbreaker@flashmail.com] Sent: 23 March 2000 08:43 To: mozilla-general@mozilla.org Subject: Re: MOZILLA NEEDS AN EASTER EGG!!! Come on, you had to think the Bill Gates idea was cute :) -- Simon P. Lucy wrote in message news:NDBBKCHPOLIFGMMDBANOCEPECPAA.slucy@objectivesw.co.uk... > Go ahead and do it then > > Simon P. Lucy > Objective 2000 Ltd > > -----Original Message----- > From: BB [mailto:circuitbreaker@flashmail.com] > Sent: 23 March 2000 02:39 > To: mozilla-general@mozilla.org > Subject: MOZILLA NEEDS AN EASTER EGG!!! > > Mozilla needs an Easter Egg. I recommend that if you hold click and left > click on the Mozilla animation in the upper right corner of the browser and > then drag it to the web address text box, MOZ will appear in the box. If you > then drag the icon in that text box to the Mozilla animation, ILLA will > apear in the box. Then if you press enter in the box, the easter egg will > start. It will first show a short movie of godzilla attacking tokyo then it > will show the credits of every person who worked on the Mozilla project and > what component they worked on (only coders and people who designed graphics, > etc...). If instead of hitting enter, you typed :MSPONG so the text bar said > MOZILLA:MSPONG, you would play the old fashion pong from the 70's. There > would only be one difference - instead of the pong ball, there would be Bill > Gates's head. Anyway, every good program needs a pong Easter Egg heh heh :) > > -Just typing in MOZILLA wouldn't cut it. You would have to follow the steps > outlined. > > -- > > > > > > > From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:40 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: "Shalabh Chaturvedi" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.ui,netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Startup screen. Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:10:47 +0530 Organization: PSPL Lines: 23 Message-ID: <8bcsdf$3ok1@secnews.netscape.com> References: <8bb7fk$pid$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <8bc2md$fs0$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <20000322224119.D15214@eruption.voyager.net> <38D9B525.32C3BE39@netscape.com> <8bcmjs$bru$1@bob.news.rcn.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: proxy.pspl.co.in Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.ui:7368 netscape.public.mozilla.general:17410 BB wrote in message news:8bcmjs$bru$1@bob.news.rcn.net... | On the last milestone, we should go crazy with easter eggs heh heh. I don't | understand how the first person's sarcastic response and the other people | talking about the Communicator startup have anything to do with the Mozilla | startup. Mozilla and Communicator are two different software. Mozilla will | be freeware, and communicator will be commercial/fee. I don't understand | what is wrong with animated GIFs, Flash, AVIs or anything else in the splash | screen. Please explain. Thank you. What's wrong (and has already been pointed out) is that it defeates the purpose of the splash screen - which is to show something while the app is being loaded up. It should have fast loadup time. The other option is to have another (plain and fast-loading) mini-spash while the fancy spash screen is loading :-) Shalabh From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:40 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!netnews.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: "BB" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: *Preliminary Hydra* Update - Please CC any replies to me if you want an immediate response Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 05:58:13 -0500 Lines: 86 Message-ID: <8bcu4a$e3$1@bob.news.rcn.net> X-Trace: sMJk+2dpqVK12bvj0Vd78K3svXaD7EaZ2SrKmo3/0vQ= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Mar 2000 11:11:06 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 BTW - a hydra is a small sea faring creature that has long, stinging tenticles that grab prey and feed it into the mouth. (It is related to the polyp stage of a jellyfish). It is also a greek monster that had (surprise!) huge tenticles and devoured helpless humans whole (I wonder where they got the inspiration?). Anyway, I thought the tenticles of the hydra would be analogous to the Hydra module grabbing data and organizing it. Anyway, that is where I got the name from. Hopefully, this module won't devour people. It was visioned a couple of days ago. The reason over it is anger over the fact that other communications software (such as Outlook) have small organizers and there is nothing of that sort for Mozilla. I think between this and Mail/news there will be no reason to use outlook anymore. Other organizers could also be passed in functionality and stability since Mozilla has something that makes code developed fast yet be very good- a huge base of programmers! If I said this is going to be better than lotus then excuse me. I mean lotus's organizer (which is pretty difficult to use for the first time, and has a pretty lame calendar). This organizer will have nice dividers and a quick launch tab in the My Toolbar (to launch components). Any of this information could possibly be changed as planning goes forward. (I guarantee some will). It will use Mozilla's profile management for protection of data. Some preliminary info: The module will be an organizer that will eventually be fusable with Mozilla. It will contain the following components: A task list - IE what to do on certain days you can assign a range of days - or make it long-term with no set date. You can also set a time. It will have alarms, etc. A calendar - Each day will contain a notes section, a view of tasks for today (from the task list), and an appointment schedule. There will also be a long-term notes section. It will also have the ability to keep track of special dates, such as your anniversary - so your wife doesn't kill you (if your married), your friend's birthday, and the all important selection sunday for NCAA :) Possibly, it might conform to standards of group scheduling over the internet - if not, it will be a standalone calendar. General notes section - contains just general notes. *ALL NOTES WILL BE HTML COMPATIBLE LIKE MAIL MESSAGES* A scientific calculator - there comes a time when a calculator comes in handy that's easily excessible. Maybe in the future it can be a graphing calculator (Just kidding). Other parts. Any ideas? It will work with mail/news project contacts (address book). Much like the rest of Mozilla, javascript on web pages would have access to the objects within this project, but of course nothing could be sent to or from the page without the user's OK and the user would know exactly what the page wanted to do (there would be a nice summary). That would rule out malicous code and would give pages that announced events (like computer shows in your area) the ability to make a link that adds the event to your calendar, add notes, etc. The project is currently in the speculation phase and needs more people to move into the planning phase. A project page would be given if some useful planning/history of project/etc. documents could be developed. CVS access would be given once the code is in such a state that it can be added to the tree. BTW - this project is here to stay. Even if I leave the scene (which I doubt) I will find someone else to take it over for me. It is earmarked for Release 2 of Mozilla 5 (Mozilla 5.1?) so there is plenty of time to work on it. Is there anyone who would like to get in on the ground floor? I have already replied to a few emails that show interest in the project. This will be a large component of Mozilla (especially if web scheduling standards are followed) and requires many devoted people to get anywhere. If you're free then we need you. This project marks another step to make Mozilla have more features (and still be less buggy). BTW - I never have written any Mozilla code though I've looked at the source. For the time being, I will just be the one that organizes, replies, and holds this project together. I promise that I will read all the information about hacking Mozilla - I'm a quick learner. Please rub any knowledge you have off on me :) -- From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:40 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!unlisys!news.snafu.de!diablo.theplanet.net!europa.netcrusader.net!207.172.3.37!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: "BB" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Hydra addition Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 05:59:39 -0500 Lines: 8 Message-ID: <8bcu70$lp$1@bob.news.rcn.net> X-Trace: 9c7oAvAm9EyXj9PKV13BjjQkYDnxCnmG0rqdvJsFyJY= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Mar 2000 11:12:32 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 BTW - I need someone to open a Hydra newsgroup for me (without it being a rogue group) -- From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:40 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: "BB" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.ui,netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Startup screen. Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 06:04:32 -0500 Lines: 36 Message-ID: <8bcug9$1lc$1@bob.news.rcn.net> References: <8bb7fk$pid$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <8bc2md$fs0$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <20000322224119.D15214@eruption.voyager.net> <38D9B525.32C3BE39@netscape.com> <8bcmjs$bru$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <8bcsdf$3ok1@secnews.netscape.com> X-Trace: ei9EdrxunhDkP3AymAfTEeAeTXw57NcgP6yk5vQ4n+k= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Mar 2000 11:17:29 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.ui:7369 netscape.public.mozilla.general:17414 Would an animated splash screen take up so much processor time to significantly slow the loading? If so, then maybe the animation could be placed in the about box. -- Shalabh Chaturvedi wrote in message news:8bcsdf$3ok1@secnews.netscape.com... > > BB wrote in message > news:8bcmjs$bru$1@bob.news.rcn.net... > | On the last milestone, we should go crazy with easter eggs heh heh. I > don't > | understand how the first person's sarcastic response and the other people > | talking about the Communicator startup have anything to do with the > Mozilla > | startup. Mozilla and Communicator are two different software. Mozilla will > | be freeware, and communicator will be commercial/fee. I don't understand > | what is wrong with animated GIFs, Flash, AVIs or anything else in the > splash > | screen. Please explain. Thank you. > > What's wrong (and has already been pointed out) is that it defeates the > purpose of the splash screen - which is to show something while the app is > being loaded up. It should have fast loadup time. > > The other option is to have another (plain and fast-loading) mini-spash > while the fancy spash screen is loading :-) > > Shalabh > From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:40 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!feeder.qis.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: "BB" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.ui,netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Startup screen. Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 06:04:58 -0500 Lines: 34 Message-ID: <8bcuh4$1o4$1@bob.news.rcn.net> References: <8bb7fk$pid$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <8bc2md$fs0$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <20000322224119.D15214@eruption.voyager.net> <38D9B525.32C3BE39@netscape.com> <8bcmjs$bru$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <8bcsdf$3ok1@secnews.netscape.com> X-Trace: ei9EdrxunhB8RKQW+wodJq2y95gX7P0gDpdOCdKWw/I= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Mar 2000 11:17:56 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.ui:7370 netscape.public.mozilla.general:17415 Anyway, good night (morning for some) zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz -- Shalabh Chaturvedi wrote in message news:8bcsdf$3ok1@secnews.netscape.com... > > BB wrote in message > news:8bcmjs$bru$1@bob.news.rcn.net... > | On the last milestone, we should go crazy with easter eggs heh heh. I > don't > | understand how the first person's sarcastic response and the other people > | talking about the Communicator startup have anything to do with the > Mozilla > | startup. Mozilla and Communicator are two different software. Mozilla will > | be freeware, and communicator will be commercial/fee. I don't understand > | what is wrong with animated GIFs, Flash, AVIs or anything else in the > splash > | screen. Please explain. Thank you. > > What's wrong (and has already been pointed out) is that it defeates the > purpose of the splash screen - which is to show something while the app is > being loaded up. It should have fast loadup time. > > The other option is to have another (plain and fast-loading) mini-spash > while the fancy spash screen is loading :-) > > Shalabh > From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:40 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!uninett.no!nntp.uib.no!tiur!dagfinn From: "Dagfinn R. Parnas" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: -remote Save to ps WITH background Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 12:08:48 +0100 Organization: University of Bergen, Norway Lines: 15 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: tiur.ii.uib.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: dagfinn@tiur I'm currently making a programe to compare web pages in two seperate browsers. One of the methods I wish to compare these are an image to image comparisson. I currently use the -remote 'saveAs({$url}.ps,PostScript)' kommand but this doesn't save any background images . Any one knows a way to do this (I'm currently using netscape 4.72 , but lower version solutions will be accepted :)) dagfinn (please reply to author as well) From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:40 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Phil Sweeney Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.mozilla.builds Subject: Re: Update your Win32 Mozilla Automatically! Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:55:28 +1100 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 11 Message-ID: <38DA0630.2CDBC898@optushome.com.au> References: <38d8ed70$0$16545@wodc7nh7.news.uu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: co3000583-a.eburwd1.vic.optushome.com.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.general:17416 netscape.public.mozilla.builds:13602 Will Dormann wrote: > > Using the Windows System Agent, I set up this script to run early every > morning, so every day when I use my computer, I have the latest Mozilla build > already installed and ready to go! Aha!! Just what I need! Thanks! Phil From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:40 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!unlisys!news.snafu.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.indiana.edu!not-for-mail From: Melissa Lorenzen Newsgroups: linux.redhat.misc,netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: The Death of Netscape Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 08:23:19 -0500 Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington Lines: 29 Message-ID: <38DA1AC7.FCB73959@cs.indiana.edu> References: <7cqav9$k4b$1@news.xmission.com> <38D63C82.98ED6B07@netscape.com> <8b5in0$74t$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <38d7c348_1@news.intensive.net> <38D6C50C.17D2810C@student.auckland.ac.nz> <38D6D93E.F8139584@StarTrekMail.com> <38D95372.526F8CB7@helsinki.fi> NNTP-Posting-Host: recep.cs.indiana.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en Netscape used to occasionally crash when I used gnome, but when I switched to the latest version of KDE, it hasn't crashed since. I don't know why that is, but I thought I should post this observation. I even have java enabled. --Melissa Sini Mäkelä wrote: > > Robert Kaiser wrote: > > > > Hey, if you need a cross-platform, good-working browser - you'll get it! > > Good. Is this going to happen within next five years? > > > But all good needs time... so this one, MOZILLA 5.0 (which will be the > > base of Netscape 6.0), is a open source cross-platformstandards > > compliant skinnable (...) browser (or web machine) software - but it's > > "only" getting to beta 1 in the next weeks. > > Neverthelles, current trial versions at www.mozilla.org are getting > > better and better, it's worth a try... > > Are you kidding? I've been using various "milestones" of Mozilla and > at it's current state it is unusable. I think it shouldn't be > recommended to somebody already fed up with Netscape crashing. Mozilla > crashes about every 15 minutes, when Netscape crashes "only" once or > twice a day. I wish all good luck for Mozilla developers, but I see > no way it would be considerable browser in near future. > > :sini From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:40 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!gateway From: slucy@objectivesw.co.uk (Simon P. Lucy) Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: RE: *Preliminary Hydra* Update - Please CC any replies to me if you want an immediate response Date: 23 Mar 2000 13:45:57 GMT Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 108 Message-ID: References: <8bcu4a$e3$1@bob.news.rcn.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-207-200-73-41.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: "BB" , You should take a look at the Calendar Mozilla project, Netscape's own product line, which includes a server side Calendar/Schedule Server, as well as the Eudora Planner. Outlook's advantage to Corporate IT is that it is a shell application as well as a fairly reasonable scheduler and average email client. It enables those with the patience to generate forms based/schedule based applications not just simple individual and resource scheduling. This isn't to put you off though. Simon P. Lucy Objective 2000 Ltd -----Original Message----- From: BB [mailto:circuitbreaker@flashmail.com] Sent: 23 March 2000 10:58 To: mozilla-general@mozilla.org Subject: *Preliminary Hydra* Update - Please CC any replies to me if you want an immediate response BTW - a hydra is a small sea faring creature that has long, stinging tenticles that grab prey and feed it into the mouth. (It is related to the polyp stage of a jellyfish). It is also a greek monster that had (surprise!) huge tenticles and devoured helpless humans whole (I wonder where they got the inspiration?). Anyway, I thought the tenticles of the hydra would be analogous to the Hydra module grabbing data and organizing it. Anyway, that is where I got the name from. Hopefully, this module won't devour people. It was visioned a couple of days ago. The reason over it is anger over the fact that other communications software (such as Outlook) have small organizers and there is nothing of that sort for Mozilla. I think between this and Mail/news there will be no reason to use outlook anymore. Other organizers could also be passed in functionality and stability since Mozilla has something that makes code developed fast yet be very good- a huge base of programmers! If I said this is going to be better than lotus then excuse me. I mean lotus's organizer (which is pretty difficult to use for the first time, and has a pretty lame calendar). This organizer will have nice dividers and a quick launch tab in the My Toolbar (to launch components). Any of this information could possibly be changed as planning goes forward. (I guarantee some will). It will use Mozilla's profile management for protection of data. Some preliminary info: The module will be an organizer that will eventually be fusable with Mozilla. It will contain the following components: A task list - IE what to do on certain days you can assign a range of days - or make it long-term with no set date. You can also set a time. It will have alarms, etc. A calendar - Each day will contain a notes section, a view of tasks for today (from the task list), and an appointment schedule. There will also be a long-term notes section. It will also have the ability to keep track of special dates, such as your anniversary - so your wife doesn't kill you (if your married), your friend's birthday, and the all important selection sunday for NCAA :) Possibly, it might conform to standards of group scheduling over the internet - if not, it will be a standalone calendar. General notes section - contains just general notes. *ALL NOTES WILL BE HTML COMPATIBLE LIKE MAIL MESSAGES* A scientific calculator - there comes a time when a calculator comes in handy that's easily excessible. Maybe in the future it can be a graphing calculator (Just kidding). Other parts. Any ideas? It will work with mail/news project contacts (address book). Much like the rest of Mozilla, javascript on web pages would have access to the objects within this project, but of course nothing could be sent to or from the page without the user's OK and the user would know exactly what the page wanted to do (there would be a nice summary). That would rule out malicous code and would give pages that announced events (like computer shows in your area) the ability to make a link that adds the event to your calendar, add notes, etc. The project is currently in the speculation phase and needs more people to move into the planning phase. A project page would be given if some useful planning/history of project/etc. documents could be developed. CVS access would be given once the code is in such a state that it can be added to the tree. BTW - this project is here to stay. Even if I leave the scene (which I doubt) I will find someone else to take it over for me. It is earmarked for Release 2 of Mozilla 5 (Mozilla 5.1?) so there is plenty of time to work on it. Is there anyone who would like to get in on the ground floor? I have already replied to a few emails that show interest in the project. This will be a large component of Mozilla (especially if web scheduling standards are followed) and requires many devoted people to get anywhere. If you're free then we need you. This project marks another step to make Mozilla have more features (and still be less buggy). BTW - I never have written any Mozilla code though I've looked at the source. For the time being, I will just be the one that organizes, replies, and holds this project together. I promise that I will read all the information about hacking Mozilla - I'm a quick learner. Please rub any knowledge you have off on me :) -- From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:40 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Mark Anderson Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Performance still not sufficient Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 08:35:05 -0600 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 13 Message-ID: <38DA2B99.ACB6D10D@luther.edu> References: <200003222124.PAA11866@mailgw00.execpc.com> Reply-To: andersma@luther.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: p017.cgmo.socket.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en > And the fact remains... Mozilla wants the Gecko engine to be used in all > sorts of internet-enabled devices like cell-phones and so on. I'm sorry, > but if Mozilla doesn't kick ass on a Pentium 75, then it's not going to > be a pleasant experience running it on the processor that'd be inside of > a cell phone. It's highly unlikely that XUL would be used in a cell-phone scenario. Most likely, a cell phone would use an UI something like viewer.exe; quick and minimalist. And, of course, optimization is the last piece in any puzzle. Once all the features are in, then you can optimize for every little piece of speed you need. :) From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:40 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Mark Anderson Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.ui,netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Startup screen. Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 08:39:36 -0600 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 15 Message-ID: <38DA2CA8.6FF6D345@luther.edu> References: <8bb7fk$pid$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <8bc2md$fs0$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <20000322224119.D15214@eruption.voyager.net> <38D9B525.32C3BE39@netscape.com> <8bcmjs$bru$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <8bcsdf$3ok1@secnews.netscape.com> <8bcug9$1lc$1@bob.news.rcn.net> Reply-To: andersma@luther.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: p017.cgmo.socket.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.ui:7372 netscape.public.mozilla.general:17419 > Would an animated splash screen take up so much processor time to > significantly slow the loading? If so, then maybe the animation could be > placed in the about box. The processor time is not the significant issue. The issue is that the DLL that handles Shockwave is loaded last of all components, as a plugin. The splash screen wouldn't even appear until AFTER everything already loaded. Same deal for GIFs, but it would be somewhere in the middle of the loading. Only .bmp loading (which comes from the OS) is available right away at the beginning of the load time. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:40 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: "BB" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.ui,netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Startup screen. Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 09:48:27 -0500 Lines: 24 Message-ID: <8bdbm5$nve$1@bob.news.rcn.net> References: <8bb7fk$pid$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <8bc2md$fs0$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <20000322224119.D15214@eruption.voyager.net> <38D9B525.32C3BE39@netscape.com> <8bcmjs$bru$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <8bcsdf$3ok1@secnews.netscape.com> <8bcug9$1lc$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <38DA2CA8.6FF6D345@luther.edu> X-Trace: 9oxYIZ+3pkvBnZ1zZkOxuTVfK6N/nDl3qpbeTGJ2xd0= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Mar 2000 15:02:29 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.ui:7376 netscape.public.mozilla.general:17421 So what about the about box. Is that still a possibility? -- Mark Anderson wrote in message news:38DA2CA8.6FF6D345@luther.edu... > > Would an animated splash screen take up so much processor time to > > significantly slow the loading? If so, then maybe the animation could be > > placed in the about box. > > The processor time is not the significant issue. > > The issue is that the DLL that handles Shockwave is loaded last of all > components, as a plugin. The splash screen wouldn't even appear until > AFTER everything already loaded. > > Same deal for GIFs, but it would be somewhere in the middle of the > loading. > > Only .bmp loading (which comes from the OS) is available right away at > the beginning of the load time. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:40 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Robert Kaiser Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.mozilla.ui Subject: Re: The default skin Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:49:04 +0100 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 21 Message-ID: <38DA2EE0.C3550ACC@StarTrekMail.com> References: <8bb78t$oqt$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <38D965D7.93DD707F@io.com> <8bcn0d$cks$1@bob.news.rcn.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: robert.hirsch.sth.ac.at Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [de] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: de-AT,de,en-US,en,it Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.general:17420 netscape.public.mozilla.ui:7374 > Otherwise, leave it as a text. There should NOT be a program that > visually edits skins. Are you kidding? Instead, it should be done in > text files and then compiled (along with graphics) or placing the text > files and all the graphics files directly into the chrome directory. > That is how skins usually are done. The skins, the whole UI, IS currently in "text" files - or better XUL files, the skins being stored in CSS sheets (and, of course, the graphic files connected to that CSS). And all that is placed in the chrome directory. And: nobody is kidding. There _will_ be at least one tool (if not more) to visually edit those TEXT (meaning CSS/XUL/perhaps even JS) files !!! Nobody will have to use that tool, everything will stay in those files (though they may get packed into .jar archives). But you will be able to use the tool to visually edit skins.... Robert Kaiser From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:40 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!gateway From: Richard.Mueller@FHSO.CH (=?iso-8859-1?Q?M=FCller_Richard?=) Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: removing "pmueller@clavis.ch" form your lists Date: 23 Mar 2000 15:01:58 GMT Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 16 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: h-207-200-73-41.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: "'mozilla-general@mozilla.org'" Hallo=20 Please remove pmueller@clavis.ch from all your mailing-list. Mr. Paul = M=FCller left the organisation Clavis one year ago. And we have nobody how = understand anything about the programming or other things about mozilla. Thanks. R. Mueller PS. I do not know, how to remove the adress: pmueller@clavis.ch from = the web. So I hoppe you will remove it from your list. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:40 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Balram Ramanathan Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.mozilla.ui Subject: Re: The default skin Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:38:47 +0530 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 13 Message-ID: <38DA337F.D3E446DF@yahoo.com> References: <8bb78t$oqt$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <38D965D7.93DD707F@io.com> <8bcn0d$cks$1@bob.news.rcn.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.197.229.49 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.general:17423 netscape.public.mozilla.ui:7377 Maybe you should have a good look at news://news.mozilla.org/8bci7p%24v23%40secnews.netscape.com Mozilla's ui is based upon XUL, an XML based language, and it's appearence is determined by CSS. As a result, all the ui files (in bin/chrome) are in plain text format (with .xul , .css and .js extensions). To create a skin, all you have to do is edit some of the .css files and change the graphics files. See the url specified above for more. :Balram From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:40 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Scott I. Remick Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Performance still not sufficient Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 10:23:41 -0500 Organization: Computer Alternatives, Inc. Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: <200003222124.PAA11866@mailgw00.execpc.com> <38DA2B99.ACB6D10D@luther.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: scott.computeralt.com X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.20 In article <38DA2B99.ACB6D10D@luther.edu>, andersma@luther.edu says... > It's highly unlikely that XUL would be used in a cell-phone scenario. > Most likely, a cell phone would use an UI something like viewer.exe; > quick and minimalist. Sure... but the UI isn't the only thing that needs performance tweaks. The rendering engine lags too, and this would be the same. > And, of course, optimization is the last piece in any puzzle. Once all > the features are in, then you can optimize for every little piece of > speed you need. :) Oh certainly... I realize this. I just worry when people complain about performance problems, instead of seeing responses like "Yeah, we'll start tweaking performance after M?? once we've ________" I see responses like, "What the hell are you doing running Mozilla on that Pentium 200??? Get a new computer!!!" Feedback like that suggests that performance won't be a big priority. I just want to make sure it's held in its proper spot in the list of priorities, despite the comments on here received by people who mention performance problems. ----------------------- Scott I. Remick scott@computeralt.com Network and Information (802)388-7545 ext. 236 Systems Manager FAX:(802)388-3697 Computer Alternatives, Inc. http://www.computeralt.com From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:40 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!Den.BOFH.Halifax.NS.Ca!hume-borg From: hume.spamfilter@bofh.halifax.ns.ca Newsgroups: linux.redhat.misc,netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: The Death of Netscape Date: 23 Mar 2000 15:42:12 GMT Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 19 Message-ID: <8bde0k$3no2@secnews.netscape.com> References: <7cqav9$k4b$1@news.xmission.com> <38D63C82.98ED6B07@netscape.com> <8b5in0$74t$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <38d7c348_1@news.intensive.net> <38D6C50C.17D2810C@student.auckland.ac.nz> <38D6D93E.F8139584@StarTrekMail.com> <38D95372.526F8CB7@helsinki.fi> <8bbmge$sd92@secnews.netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: Den.BOFH.Halifax.ns.Ca User-Agent: tin/1.4-19991113 ("No Labels") (UNIX) (SunOS/5.8 (sun4m)) Jim Ross wrote: : That's what full-circle is right? Magically sending crash info back to : Mozilla developers. Yes, but Talkback isn't available on all platforms. : Besides, they eat their own Dogfood. They know at least as well as normal : users do how good/bad Mozilla is. Yes, but that can't entirely compensate for the infinite number of possible configurations of machines out there, run by users of unguessable competence. The one, true test is the real world, which is why letting the public at alpha/beta software is such a good idea. (Instead of letting the trial by fire happen after the software has been released, as seems to be the norm for software companies nowadays...) -- Brandon Hume - hume -> BOFH.Halifax.NS.Ca, http://WWW.BOFH.Halifax.NS.Ca/ -> Solaris Snob and general NOCMonkey From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:40 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: "bsj" Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.mozilla.gtk,netscape.public.mozilla.i18n,netscape.public.mozilla.java,netscape.public.mozilla.jobs,netscape.public.mozilla.jseng,netscape.public.mozilla.l10n,netscape.public.mozilla.layout,netscape.p Subject: Off-Topic : Internet como fuente de Ingresos. Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 09:47:16 -0600 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 17 Message-ID: <8bdefd$5pu4@secnews.netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: alajuela-a204.racsa.co.cr X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.mozilla.general:17426 netscape.public.mozilla.gtk:1587 netscape.public.mozilla.i18n:3377 netscape.public.mozilla.java:7291 netscape.public.mozilla.jobs:89 netscape.public.mozilla.jseng:1486 netscape.public.mozilla.l10n:555 netscape.public.mozilla.layout:7094 Primero, pido realmente excusas ante todos por el presente (y el crossposting). Creo que el presente no debería verse como una simple intromisión sino como una opurtunidad de trabajo. Por favor si alguien considera lo contrario y lesiono su parecer por favor ignore este mensaje y creo que lo más recomendado sería cerrarlo. Si existe alguien realmente interesado en saber como aprovechar Internet como una excelente fuente de ingresos estoy a su disposición, creánme es una gran oportunidad. No hay nada que perder y si hay mucho que ganar. A los interesados(as), los espero en mi correo: bsj@latinmail.com Saludos a los foreros y/o listeros, acepten mis disculpas. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:40 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!secnews.netscape.com!secnews2.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Jay Garcia Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Crypto in nightlies? Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 10:18:50 -0600 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 38 Message-ID: <38DA43EA.6050409@null.any> References: <38D66379.DD79A50E@lemnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.84.132.208 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; N; Win98; en-US; m14) X-Accept-Language: en Scott I. Remick wrote: > In article <38D66379.DD79A50E@lemnet.com>, ian@lemnet.com says... > > "Scott I. Remick" wrote: > > > > > Just checking in... do any of the nightlies contain crypto yet? This > > > would include the Netscape nb1b builds. I'm still running M14. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > I think they do, when combined with the Netscape crypto binaries of > > course. > > Not working with today's or yesterday's nightly. :( I'd rather not go > back to M14. Of course, the nightlies don't have Talkback either... so > all my (many) crashes aren't accomplishing much... > > ----------------------- > Scott I. Remick scott@computeralt.com > Network and Information (802)388-7545 ext. 236 > Systems Manager FAX:(802)388-3697 > Computer Alternatives, Inc. http://www.computeralt.com PSM has been working just fine in all the nightlies that I know of with the exception of maybe one shortly after the PSM release. Working just fine here in 32210. What I've been doing is downloading the installer version and simply copying over the /psm/ directory that I saved elsewhere into the /SeaMonkey/ directory and starting Mozilla. Works well ... Jay -- *** Posted With Mozilla 5.0 / Build 2000032210 *** From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:40 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!newsfeed.netscape.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!204.71.34.3!newsfeed.cwix.com!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: pircher@informatik.tu-muenchen.de Newsgroups: netscape.public.general,netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Browser Environment? Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:23:37 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 25 Message-ID: <8bdgdn$2h0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 131.159.4.183 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Mar 23 16:23:37 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 5.7 sun4u) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x32.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 131.159.4.183 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDalexanderpircher Xref: secnews.netscape.com netscape.public.general:22694 netscape.public.mozilla.general:17429 Browser, Proxy-Servers & Firewalls add arbitrary Headers if you use them. So, I heard that the Mac-Version of the Internet Explorer also transmits the CPU-Type. Since it's impossible for me to check Web-Requests for any type of Browser, Proxy-Server & Firewall I've made a CGI-Program which will save all arbitrary HTTP-Headers. Please go to http://www.in.tum.de/cgi-bin/ucgi/pircher/set.cgi to support my investigations. There your Browser-Environment will be saved and you will also see what your Combination of Browser, Proxy-Server & Firewall will transmit to any Target-Server. I would also be glad, if anyone can provide me a list or more information which (additional) Headers are transmitted at HTTP- Requests! Thank you very much, Alex Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:40 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Daniel Veditz Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Clarification Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 08:26:48 -0800 Organization: Speaking only for myself Lines: 48 Message-ID: <38DA45C8.44ED9500@netscape.com> References: <8bc0nh$2qk$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <8bcm6v$b4c$1@bob.news.rcn.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-205-217-240-58.netscape.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Mozilla is not Godzilla. Netscape had to defend him from vicious lawyers on this point at least once. Before Open Source gave him steroids and turned him into T. Rex he was a cute anthropomorphic little lizard. -Dan Veditz BB wrote: > > The Godzilla movie would be an actual black and white old Godzilla movie > part. > > -- > > > BB wrote in message > news:8bc0nh$2qk$1@bob.news.rcn.net... > > Mozilla needs an Easter Egg. I recommend that if you hold click and left > > click on the Mozilla animation in the upper right corner of the browser > and > > then drag it to the web address text box, MOZ will appear in the box. If > you > > then drag the icon in that text box to the Mozilla animation, ILLA will > > apear in the box. Then if you press enter in the box, the easter egg will > > start. It will first show a short movie of godzilla attacking tokyo then > it > > will show the credits of every person who worked on the Mozilla project > and > > what component they worked on (only coders and people who designed > graphics, > > etc...). If instead of hitting enter, you typed :MSPONG so the text bar > said > > MOZILLA:MSPONG, you would play the old fashion pong from the 70's. There > > would only be one difference - instead of the pong ball, there would be > Bill > > Gates's head. Anyway, every good program needs a pong Easter Egg heh heh > :) > > > > -Just typing in MOZILLA wouldn't cut it. You would have to follow the > steps > > outlined. > > > > -- > > > > > > > > From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:41 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Jerry Baker Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Clarification Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 08:32:51 -0800 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 20 Message-ID: <38DA4733.82B0261B@weirdness.com> References: <8bc0nh$2qk$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <8bcm6v$b4c$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <38DA45C8.44ED9500@netscape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lsanca1-ar3-147-141.dsl.gtei.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.71 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Daniel Veditz wrote: > > Mozilla is not Godzilla. Netscape had to defend him from vicious lawyers on > this point at least once. > > Before Open Source gave him steroids and turned him into T. Rex he was a > cute anthropomorphic little lizard. > > -Dan Veditz You know, I used have a Roland D-70 (a keyboard) that I'm pretty sure had a sound effect called "Mozilla". This was before I had heard of Netscape, or the Internet for that matter, so I didn't connect the two. But, on that keyboard Mozilla sounded rather like Godzilla :) -- Jerry Baker PGP Mail Preferred Key: http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x09DE91C6 From - Mon Jan 07 12:56:41 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Path: secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail From: Robert O'Callahan Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general Subject: Re: Hydra project Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 11:55:50 -0500 Organization: Carnegie Mellon University Lines: 18 Message-ID: <38DA4C96.1CFB99B7@cs.cmu.edu> References: <8bb6d8$ldm$1@bob.news.rcn.net> Reply-To: roc+@cs.cmu.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: MAJESTY.FAC.CS.CMU.EDU Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en To: boberb@rpi.edu A PIM-type application for Mozilla is definitely a good idea. However, if you want to start one, this is not the way to do it. Projects that start by getting a lot of people together for "planning" and swapping titles (e.g. "co-owner"), invariably fail to go anywhere. Success is far, far more likely if you keep things to yourself until you have working code in which people can see both your vision, and how they can contribute. It also establishes your credibility, which otherwise starts at zero just like that of any other Random Net Person.